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Old Nov 15, 2008 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Rote8
Um, has anyone noticed the "red" Mazsport plug that connects to the oem coil connector goes straight to positive battery?
I looked at my wires today and that is really disturbing.
Couldn't that harm the stock ECU?
not likely..it would have to totally short the coil back through the ignitor and into the trigger wire to the ECU.

Ever notice the Black wire goes straight to the battery as well

The power to the ignitor box is fused....
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Old Nov 15, 2008 | 10:49 AM
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I don't think anyone will be seeing any more of these kits... (see Easy's post)
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Old Nov 15, 2008 | 10:56 AM
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However if anyone would like to buy mine, still in the box, feel free to PM me...
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Old Nov 15, 2008 | 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Rotr8
However if anyone would like to buy mine, still in the box, feel free to PM me...
Just install it - they do actually work well !
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Old Nov 15, 2008 | 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Brettus
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Originally Posted by BDC
Hi Jim,

The 'funny feelings' thing he's referring to is what I guessed was a lack of spark energy on the back-end. Turned out I was right. IIRC, the dwell was originally set to 2ms by Scott but then I left it around 3.2ms. Not being familiar with the hardware then, I decided not to experiment with it.
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Stole this quote from the Esmeril thread - seems to back up a theory I was suggesting in my turbo install thread.
It seems Scott originally set the interceptor x dwell times to 2.0ms for ALL applications.
Stock dwell , if my theory on the tables is correct is a lot higher than that and that would explain why many people did not have problems with the Mazsport coils who did not have the interceptor x .
This is just speculation from third party hearsay and the interpretation of the stock dwell tables that Hymee & I came up with . BUT , it would explain a lot of the issues people had with these coils earlier on .
Didn`t you run Power mode, why change to interceptor x ??
I`e DNA supercharger together with Power Mode, sparkplugg T 12, L 11,5 and the engine is doing a very god jobb on track. (This is a racecar only.)
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Old Nov 15, 2008 | 03:15 PM
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/\ Yep - still using the Powermod to fine tune Hymee's base map . It is working like a charm . What does T12 L 11,5 mean ?

The above post from me was just me trying to figure out what was happening with the coils ....
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Old Nov 15, 2008 | 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Brettus
/\ Yep - still using the Powermod to fine tune Hymee's base map . It is working like a charm . What does T12 L 11,5 mean ?

The above post from me was just me trying to figure out what was happening with the coils ....
Trailing spark plugg NGK 12
Leading spark plugg NGK 11,5
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 04:33 AM
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Woorking area 5500 rmp - 9500 rmp for an hour at the time so I need it cold.
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Brettus
Just install it - they do actually work well !
I have a Pettit SC on right now and dont want to go through the trouble of figuring out my own Dwell settings..
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 09:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Rotr8
I have a Pettit SC on right now and dont want to go through the trouble of figuring out my own Dwell settings..
Do I have a coil kit for you.
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Easy_E1
Do I have a coil kit for you.
yeah first I have to get rid of this one,,, BHR make some good stuff and Ray is one of the nicest people I talked to, but I have to be a little skeptical of someone whom has gone through 4 engines...j/k
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Rotr8
yeah first I have to get rid of this one,,, BHR make some good stuff and Ray is one of the nicest people I talked to, but I have to be a little skeptical of someone whom has gone through 4 engines...j/k
Like it was my fault!
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 10:13 AM
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yeah dont worry Ive been reading up on BHRs ignition
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Rotr8
I have a Pettit SC on right now and dont want to go through the trouble of figuring out my own Dwell settings..
This whole dwell issue is somewhat of a myth in my view .
Here is what I know :
*There was an issue with the coils when paired with the interceptor x
*It was found that by raising the dwell to 3.5ms the problem was fixed
*Scott argued that 2.0ms was fine for NA but not FI
*When I got into the factory stock dwell table i found values that appear to be above that .
*The lowest value on the table is 395 (3.95ms at 9000 rpm) other values are higher and go as high as 1800 (18ms) at idle
*I have the ignition solution and turbo . So far I've taken it to 10psi with absolutely no sign of any coil issues .

My considered opinion : The coils are fine for FI applications at the stock dwell settings
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Brettus
*The lowest value on the table is 395 (3.95ms at 9000 rpm) other values are higher and go as high as 1800 (18ms) at idle
You have that table wrong, BTW.
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 11:17 AM
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enlighten me please ....

I agonised over this for some time and could not see any logic in adjusting what was already there
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Brettus
enlighten me please ......
+ 1 = me too.

I believe you are right.
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 01:28 PM
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my guess is that 395/1800 dont translate to 3.95ms/18ms?
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 05:02 PM
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ditto here also--i have been running the MS ign package for some months and I dont think I have a problem---but what do I know?
I do shift at no more than 8 or 8.2K and i do have a modified ground wire(no pig tail) ---( I know MM--I know!)
cranks well, idles well, pulls good, plugs look good--23 mpg on hwy. 303 gns/sec at 7.8 K (constant pull on track at about 134mph)
would it be better with a different set up?
OD
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by olddragger
ditto here also--i have been running the MS ign package for some months and I dont think I have a problem---but what do I know?
I do shift at no more than 8 or 8.2K and i do have a modified ground wire(no pig tail) ---( I know MM--I know!)
cranks well, idles well, pulls good, plugs look good--23 mpg on hwy. 303 gns/sec at 7.8 K (constant pull on track at about 134mph)
would it be better with a different set up?
OD
too bad Mazsport closed its doors...
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Old Nov 16, 2008 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by paulmasoner
my guess is that 395/1800 dont translate to 3.95ms/18ms?
that's what i thought initially - but any other translation of the numbers does not make sense .....
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Old Nov 17, 2008 | 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Brettus
enlighten me please ....

I agonised over this for some time and could not see any logic in adjusting what was already there
These days, MM likes to point out whats wrong without revealing whats right...I guess thats "classified" info you will get only if you bought an AP from him....
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Old Nov 18, 2008 | 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by a_ahlan
These days, MM likes to point out whats wrong without revealing whats right...I guess thats "classified" info you will get only if you bought an AP from him....
Nope. I don't even "reveal" that kind of stuff to customers.
Its like handing booze and car keys to a 15-year-old.
I like watching the process of discovery, anyways.

Since when do I owe anyone knowledge, btw?

Almost ALL of the tables in the Mazda PCM are non-linear.
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Old Nov 18, 2008 | 03:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Charles R. Hill
Yeah but you are SO CLOSE to having your alky kit and BHR coils ship out.
Thanks Charles for the update. And that is exactly why I am not too concerned about trying to find the right Dwell table.

But definitely concerned about not being able to contact Mazsport or Scott.
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Old Mar 25, 2009 | 09:06 AM
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Does anybody know where to find scott or his web page www.mazsport.net it has desappeard from the web, thank you
manolo
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