Ignition uograde
03-20-2011, 10:28 AM
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Ignition uograde
Hey guys. I just wanted to know which ignition upgrade you guys might recommend. Im trying to choose between the esmeril or the bhr. They both sound like good products and are around the same price. The only reason i was kind of leaning towards the esmeril is because i eventually want to get their turbo kit. But im still not sure which ignition to buy...any and all suggestions are welcome. Thanks.
03-20-2011, 10:32 AM
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I have the BHR ignition kit and I can say it is worth every penny.
Even the service tech at my Mazda dealership commented after installing the kit and test drive that it was the best RX8 he'd driven!
Even the service tech at my Mazda dealership commented after installing the kit and test drive that it was the best RX8 he'd driven!
03-20-2011, 10:43 AM
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Ok yea ive heard alot of good things about the bhr. Hopefully someone with the esmeril upgrade can comment on their experience with it. What would be a better turbo option bse50. I would like to make somewhere around 320whp reliable
03-20-2011, 04:20 PM
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Yea im hoping to get around 350whp the only turbo kits ive heard that can make this much power are the esmeril, the greddy with the garrett upgraded turbo and the turblown turbo kits. Which do u guys think is best or if there are any other opinions please let me know ur opinion.
03-21-2011, 05:54 PM
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I know sometimes its hard to make these turbo desisions, either to go with turblown or esmeril or other companys out there. on that note since im already invested in my build im going with turblown plus with the good customer service that they have im customer for life. All i can say ask a bunch of questions, and do it right and be happy the first time around on what ever u decide on.
03-22-2011, 11:31 AM
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I just went into mazdaparts.com and found what you pointed out which was a surprise to me. We tell Mazdaparts.com (our retailer) to sell it at 495.00 which has been the price for over a year. I was just told that when updating their site recently, they thought it was 595.00. I have just spoken to Jason about it and he will update it back to the correct price of 495.00 asap.
Luckily this was very recent.
Let me know if you were referring to something else.
Chris
03-22-2011, 04:02 PM
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You can change dwell using our Plug and Play microtech but just getting our ignition will not give you the ability to change dwell.
Is this what you are referring to or were you wanting to know how much dwell our ignition should run if you aren't running off the oem ecu?
Our Coils can handle up to 8 of dwell which is huge...but they are 95% charged with 5-6. They have a safety circuit that limits it to 8 so once you go above that you aren't doing anything. By the time you are at 4 the spark is insane. Even with OEM dwell they are insane.
Please elaborate a little on what you are trying to do and I will give you some pointers regarding what dwell to run at.
Best regards,
Chris
Is this what you are referring to or were you wanting to know how much dwell our ignition should run if you aren't running off the oem ecu?
Our Coils can handle up to 8 of dwell which is huge...but they are 95% charged with 5-6. They have a safety circuit that limits it to 8 so once you go above that you aren't doing anything. By the time you are at 4 the spark is insane. Even with OEM dwell they are insane.
Please elaborate a little on what you are trying to do and I will give you some pointers regarding what dwell to run at.
Best regards,
Chris
03-22-2011, 05:01 PM
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from what I hear when you run boost you should change the dwell settings. this is greek to me so I am not sure what exactly needs to be changed whether its up or down on the timing but I was just curious if the kit allowed someone to manipulate the setting using a cobb.
I am running the greddy kit and I actually have your ignition new still and I am trying to make sure it will work well with my set up.
I am running the greddy kit and I actually have your ignition new still and I am trying to make sure it will work well with my set up.
03-22-2011, 07:31 PM
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from what I hear when you run boost you should change the dwell settings. this is greek to me so I am not sure what exactly needs to be changed whether its up or down on the timing but I was just curious if the kit allowed someone to manipulate the setting using a cobb.
I am running the greddy kit and I actually have your ignition new still and I am trying to make sure it will work well with my set up.
I am running the greddy kit and I actually have your ignition new still and I am trying to make sure it will work well with my set up.
What everyone refers to as "Dwell" can be very conceptually explained as the following:
Dwell = signal duration that each coil receives from the ECU
because of this
Dwell also = the charge time for the coil.
In very general terms, the longer the "dwell" the stronger the spark it produces when the ECU pulls it from the coil due to a longer charge time. Of course there are limitations, this is only true up to the point the coil attains maximum charge and the larger dwell also puts a larger strain on the coils and can even "fry" some if its pushed outside what the coil can handle.
This leaves you with two options to increase spark, increase signal strength/duration or change the coil to one that produces a stronger spark for a given dwell amount.
Our ignition does the second one all on its own. The same signal strength and duration will yield a spark way stronger than OEM so on their own they will do marvels. However, if you want to push a FI car, particularly when using hard to ignite fuels like alcohol (meth injection) in hard to ignite situations like ultra high boost you might want to go further by increasing the dwell our coils receive from your computer. The stock Dwell is only charging our coils to about 60-70% of its total capacity, this still being way over OEM. This means you can change your dwell setting on an aftermarket ECU to maximize the spark strength. The good thing about our coils is that they are very overbuilt and have a safety circuit that will shutoff the signal after 8ms and cause it to fire regardless of how long a signal you send, this to protect the coils.
To give you an idea, running E-85, at 19psi my custom built Renesis put down 518whp and this using a dwell of 4.2ms on our coil set, slightly above OEM. Our coils can easily handle up to 8ms (in their OEM function they receive about 5.8-6.2ms) without getting damaged.
In a normal situation the need to increase dwell is minimal but if you choose to really push the engine its good to know you can push the ignition to match.
Best regards,
Chris
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