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Old 06-01-2011, 02:13 AM
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Finally my car is at the mechanic getting the new piggy back ECU installed as the tuners are experts on this system and should make tuning easier.

The kit is being modified to include a revised oiling system that maintains the use of engine oil without the leak.

I hope to have it running within 2 to 3 weeks. This weekend will be my last track day in NA form.
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the new piggy back ECU installed as the tuners are experts on this system :
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Apparently the HKS F con can also access a lot more tuning parameters and better control in inputting the data while tuning.

I am not a tuner so I leave it to the experts.

I may be able to sell my Protuner if someone is interested.
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Nice. looking forward to seeing your set up. Any chance you have pics of the new Oil and vacuum line set up installed?
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getting the new piggy back ecu installed
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Tune on the stock engine completed with a 10kw increase in power according to a before and after dyno. Hopefully, it will only be a short wait before the SC goes on.
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Nice, post a dyno soon please.
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If I had to guess i will be the first to post a true dyno of the kit installed but have had substantial delays in both the shipping of parts and body work.
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Originally Posted by skc
Apparently the HKS F con can also access a lot more tuning parameters and better control in inputting the data while tuning.

I am not a tuner so I leave it to the experts.

I may be able to sell my Protuner if someone is interested.
Aside from the fact that the Protuner software is a real PIA to work with , it is still a far superior tuning method than any piggyback .
The fact that your "experts" can't work with the PT could indicate that maybe the term 'expert' might not apply here .

Good luck selling the PT - the way Hymee designed the security software pretty much makes it unsellable.

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Nice, post a dyno soon please.
Dyno results attached. Car revs a lot smoother and all the popping sounds seems to have gone and the exhaust sounds quieter.
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I'm not sure I am getting this correct.

0.735 kW = 1 HP so @ 135kw = 180.96hp
1.355 NM = 1 ft lb so @ 173.2Nm = 127.74 ft lbs

Is there a part of this I am missing? Those #s seem low.
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Originally Posted by hoss -05
I'm not sure I am getting this correct.

0.735 kW = 1 HP so @ 135kw = 180.96hp
1.355 NM = 1 ft lb so @ 173.2Nm = 127.74 ft lbs

Is there a part of this I am missing? Those #s seem low.
This is a NA dyno run with a bit of tune using the HKS tuner. Once we get the supercharger installed then we will be able to do a comparison.
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As one of the few people on earth who have experienced living through the process of installation, tuning and driving of a Hymee 'enhanced' SC RX8 (not to mention removal), I will continue to follow this thread with interest and my best wishes to SKC, Danny and the boys locally.

I would simply add some warnings to the optimists out there who think paying money to a good bloke who means well will solve, as he calls it, your 'greed for speed'.

1. Great concept, average execution, poor support and don't even think about trying to return it.

2. This is not plug 'n play. Only very experienced engine builders (or those that can afford to pay them to finish off the job) need apply.

3. The idling and oil leak problems affected all kits that I know of. I believe Danny has fixes in mind (or executed) for these.

Hope you all get them running and enjoy. Inbetween all the problems, I'll never forget one sunny cruise through the southern highlands dusting all the NA cars present at will. The power and torque the car should have come with standard if Mazda had any *****.
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Hey Nice to hear from you Revolver, I was wondering when you would chime in again.

There have been a few alterations since your kit. Namely the oil set up. I think i have all the parts for the fix but still am left with many questions.

How full do you fill the gear case? How much oil do you put in? how do you check it?

He also made some revisions to the SC vacuum line set up. Ill try to dig up pics... install pics of the new set up would rock. The new set up eliminates the vacuum tank.

I am really looking forward to the day we see one of these kits run well.
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Originally Posted by hoss -05
Hey Nice to hear from you Revolver, I was wondering when you would chime in again.

There have been a few alterations since your kit. Namely the oil set up. I think i have all the parts for the fix but still am left with many questions.

How full do you fill the gear case? How much oil do you put in? how do you check it?

He also made some revisions to the SC vacuum line set up. Ill try to dig up pics... install pics of the new set up would rock. The new set up eliminates the vacuum tank.

I am really looking forward to the day we see one of these kits run well.
Cheers Hoss. Yes, I'm aware that some changes have been made and I'm sure others will continue to develop the kit themselves. As I said, I think the basic concept was pretty good but it just wasn't finished off properly and got rushed to market before sufficient testing was done, for reasons best known to Mark. As a result, guinea pigs like me took the hit - it was a $10K exercise for me, even allowing for selling the kit on. Not fun.

I'm really not the person to ask technical questions. I was stupidly led to believe after many years it was all sorted. Yes, flame away folks but it's dumb punters like me that fuel your aftermarket operations...until we decide to just buy a car with more power and torque stock.

I think your best bet is to stay in touch with SKC and see what they come up with. He has local access to a very thorough engineer in Danny who owns two of the kits himself and has a strong interest in making them work reliably. But for the fact he was so remote from me and personal circumstances of my own, I might have stuck it out but as it stands I was very happy in the end to be shot of the thing.

My sincere best wishes to you and I hope you get the kit working to your satisfaction.
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It wasn't your fault and plenty of people got the same from their ProTuner purchases
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3. The idling affected all kits that I know of.
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Last i heard from Speedy - we got his idle sorted after some tweaking of the idle maps .
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The last time I talked to Speedy he said that he is having more issues then the idle and sounded Very frustrated. Hopefully He chimes in soon so we can hear more.
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Meh, I'm not worried. I bet with some of the great guys here and other people I know, we will get it all sorted and have one hell of a street/track beast
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Last i heard from Speedy - we got his idle sorted after some tweaking of the idle maps .
I hope so Brett. I think changing the MAF location may also assist but I'll leave all that to the gurus to discuss.
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Meh, I'm not worried. I bet with some of the great guys here and other people I know, we will get it all sorted and have one hell of a street/track beast
I'm sure it is fixable...with enough time and money...but when you throw down $AUD10K on something plus install costs you expect it to work...not finishing off a backyarder's R&D.

Anyway, enough sour grapes from me. Good luck with it boys and I'll keep tabs on your progress...
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Originally Posted by Brettus
Aside from the fact that the Protuner software is a real PIA to work with , it is still a far superior tuning method than any piggyback .
The fact that your "experts" can't work with the PT could indicate that maybe the term 'expert' might not apply here .

Good luck selling the PT - the way Hymee designed the security software pretty much makes it unsellable.
Danny, who I believe is doing the install and Tune, if very much an expert here. He is well aware of the ins and outs of ProTuner (we have also discussed switching ECU's with USDM ones so AccessPort could be used) but in the end, I believe Danny is of the opinion that the FCon is just less hassle and a nice middle ground between the Microtec and Flash Tunning.

Cheers

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Danny, who I believe is doing the install and Tune, if very much an expert here. He is well aware of the ins and outs of ProTuner (we have also discussed switching ECU's with USDM ones so AccessPort could be used) but in the end, I believe Danny is of the opinion that the FCon is just less hassle and a nice middle ground between the Microtec and Flash Tunning.

Cheers

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Conversely , now that I am aware of all the pitfalls of PT and am comfortable with it I would say it infinitely superior to any piggyback .

Getting comfortable with it was a very painful process though - I have to say .
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Conversely , now that I am aware of all the pitfalls of PT and am comfortable with it I would say it infinitely superior to any piggyback .
Most definitely.

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Getting comfortable with it was a very painful process though - I have to say .
I wish I could have gotten my hooks into a copy, but Mark apparently wasn't interested in having the PT be the successor to the AP when it looked like it was going away and we weren't able to work out some way for me to get into it.
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I wish I could have gotten my hooks into a copy, but Mark apparently wasn't interested in having the PT be the successor to the AP when it looked like it was going away and we weren't able to work out some way for me to get into it.
And what a pity for Australian owners, the short falls of the PT and lack of support from Cobb leaves us with no reliable* way to tune our cars, especially on a dyno. so piggybacks like fcon and adaptronic is where the australian tuners are heading, for this reason.


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