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Old Mar 22, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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Yes JoeMamma, ttt's water temp gauge was reading C then normal but It was a connection issue at the sending unit. The running condition did not change with the gauge fluctuation. If the run condition changes that sounds more like water thermosensor problem...Scott
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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 07:15 AM
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Well, I got the Greddy Type RS BOV and the GReddy Profec E-01 yesterday, now all I have to do is get the actual kit.
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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 08:37 AM
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Guys, I've recommended before.. and I'll recommend it again. The Type-S is the way to go. It's rated for low boost systems which is what the Greddy Kit is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Type-RS is for high boost applications.
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Old Mar 23, 2005 | 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by MazsportScott
Yes JoeMamma, ttt's water temp gauge was reading C then normal but It was a connection issue at the sending unit. The running condition did not change with the gauge fluctuation. If the run condition changes that sounds more like water thermosensor problem...Scott
That's interesting. According to the service manual, the ECT (engine temp) signal will create excessively rich mixtures and a fast idle, like mine. I didn't see a thermosensor mentioned.
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Old Mar 24, 2005 | 07:12 AM
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Originally Posted by philodox
Guys, I've recommended before.. and I'll recommend it again. The Type-S is the way to go. It's rated for low boost systems which is what the Greddy Kit is. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Type-RS is for high boost applications.
Well, the guys at Vivid Racing are running a type RS and they love it. I belive it goes type S low boost, type RS intermediate and type R for high boost. But all should be able to be tuned for any setups. The RS should just be louder and capable of standing more boost.
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Old Mar 24, 2005 | 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Horse
Well, the guys at Vivid Racing are running a type RS and they love it. I belive it goes type S low boost, type RS intermediate and type R for high boost. But all should be able to be tuned for any setups. The RS should just be louder and capable of standing more boost.

And you're forgetting more expensive :p :p :p :p
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Old Mar 24, 2005 | 08:13 AM
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Yes it is more expensive. But not by much I got mine brand new in the box for $150 dollars on ebay which the Type S was selling for $139.
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Old Mar 24, 2005 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Horse
Yes it is more expensive. But not by much I got mine brand new in the box for $150 dollars on ebay which the Type S was selling for $139.
Kurama Motoring? That's the ebay vendor I buy all my Greddy stuff from. Cheapest prices on the planet for new stuff. He's the one I got my Defi BF gauges from as well.

Any chance someone with a Type RS could post a sound clip? I'd like to hear the difference between my type-s and the type-rs.
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Old Mar 24, 2005 | 08:43 AM
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There is some website some where with loads of sound clips of all most every BOV but I forget the URL
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Old Mar 29, 2005 | 02:44 PM
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I was reading in the CZ thread and noticed this post from Maurice -- Does this mean anything for us with turbos? Will the ECU "learn" and fight against our tuning maps?

Originally Posted by canzoomer
Some of you who are tuning have posted that the car ECU "learns" a long term fuel trim and adjusts against the tuning.
You are right!
BUT:
The car checks AFR when it is in closed loop mode.
That is below 70% throttle, and below the closed loop/open loop transition rpm.
So, what IS the transition rpm?
By measurement:
1st gear: 6,200rpm
2nd gear: 5,500rpm
3rd gear: 4,800rpm
4th gear and up - same as 3rd.

So, some lessons to derive from this:
1) Tune above transition point ( 6,200) and do NOT touch the fuel/air below 6,200 unless it is only 5% or less.
2) If you want to tune down to 5,500 avoid full throttle in 1st gear below 6,200
3) If you want it tune more, and want to get around the "learned"long term trims, simply disconnect the battery ground if the ECU "learns" a fule trim.
This returns the car to default fuel/air settings.
Of course it will "learn" again, so this is not a long term solutiion.
I installed a replacement battery groundpost that has a 1/4 turn **** to disconnect. This allows for quick and easy resets.

Also, regarding weather and temperatures:
If you tune in cold weather the air is denser.
When you run at a higher temp the air is less dense.
That means the mixture will be a bit different.
Humidity will also affect it.
The car has a barometric perssure sensor as well, so it does compensate for altitude and air pressure change due to weather, however it does not have a means for detecting humidity.
My advice, if doing fairly aggressive maps is to do a set for both cold/dry conditions and for warm/wet ones.
Save them and use as needed.
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Old Mar 29, 2005 | 02:53 PM
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You know this was very early in the ecu development days for this car. Alot has been learned since then. Personally I find it to be a complete waste of time and money to only tune a car above 6200 rpm. This car actually needs the most help below this point. You can clearly see it on my datalogs of the stock maps. The stock ecu can be tuned like every other one. It just needs to be dealt with in a little different fashion. Personally I don't think the Canzoomer/emanage is the right tool for the job but that's just my opinion.
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Old Mar 29, 2005 | 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by rotarygod
You know this was very early in the ecu development days for this car. Alot has been learned since then.
RG -- Maurice just posted this a few weeks ago. I agree that tuning only at the very top end would be worthless. What I am concerned about is -- will the ECU really "learn" and then adjust? and will it negatively affect our tune -- I assume it will if it "trims" fuel.
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Old Mar 29, 2005 | 11:50 PM
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assuming that the ECU adjusts below this RPM, or learns, wouldn't Greddy also know this fact? And if so then just see what there maps are like and what it looks like above and below this transition point.
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Old Mar 30, 2005 | 12:03 AM
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Greddy wires up the emanage differently from how Maurice does it as far as I know. I thought Jeff (Mazdamaniac) said something about this. If this is true, it could explain alot about how the ecu fights back or not.
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Old Mar 30, 2005 | 11:03 PM
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I ran into the trick GReddy is using to kick the ECU into open-loop on my kit after I loaded the unlocked eManage map that was posted on this thread.

My car would have a dead dashboard temp gauge, fast idle (~2k RPM) for 5-10 seconds, then quickly settle into a proper idle after the gauge came back to life. This was caused by one of the "dongles" on the GReddy wiring loom that controls the ECT (engine temperature sensor), switching it "out" when it needs to richen the mixture and put the ECU in open loop and keep it from pulling out the additional fuel. It's a simple and effective way to get the ECU out of the way, but has the odd visual side effect of dipping the temperature gauge when in boost at low-to-mid RPM ranges.
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Old Mar 30, 2005 | 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by JoeMamma
I ran into the trick GReddy is using to kick the ECU into open-loop on my kit after I loaded the unlocked eManage map that was posted on this thread.

My car would have a dead dashboard temp gauge, fast idle (~2k RPM) for 5-10 seconds, then quickly settle into a proper idle after the gauge came back to life. This was caused by one of the "dongles" on the GReddy wiring loom that controls the ECT (engine temperature sensor), switching it "out" when it needs to richen the mixture and put the ECU in open loop and keep it from pulling out the additional fuel. It's a simple and effective way to get the ECU out of the way, but has the odd visual side effect of dipping the temperature gauge when in boost at low-to-mid RPM ranges.
It doesn't work on all cars, either. Some will have lean issues and bucking as well as preignition and odd LONGFT numbers.

I've been suggesting that people that have issues like these, to disconnect the dongle from the harness.
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Old Mar 30, 2005 | 11:48 PM
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Longft?
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Old Mar 30, 2005 | 11:59 PM
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Long term fuel trim.
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Old Mar 31, 2005 | 01:43 AM
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what would a weird number be for longft?
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Old Mar 31, 2005 | 01:58 AM
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Less than %5 would be ideal. 3% or 0% is awesome.
14% to 17% or more is a problem, but not uncommon in some "tuned" RX-8s that I have played with. This is not good.

Mine hovers around 5%.
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Old Mar 31, 2005 | 02:25 AM
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what about negative numbers?
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Old Mar 31, 2005 | 08:54 AM
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I think (may be wrong here), that negative LFT's indicate the PCM is subtracting fuel (rich), while the positive numbers mean its adding fuel (lean).

On the 6's, the injen intake threw off the maf sensor so much, everyone pegged out the LFT's at 20.3%. =/
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Old Mar 31, 2005 | 11:05 AM
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Sorry, those are negative numbers.
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Old Mar 31, 2005 | 11:14 AM
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Question guys, my EGT gauge is reading about 710deg C for my exhaust gas temp. It gets that hot when I am driving hard. Is such a high temp something I should worry about? Normal drving n the street I am around 550deg C.
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Old Mar 31, 2005 | 11:23 AM
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philodox i'm not far from new jersey hopefully sometime i could go down and check out your turbo 8 before i think about going turbo with mine.
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