Brettus turbo 111 (the ultimate Renesis turbo ?)
#2280
Buoyed by the success of my new manifold I decided to lash out on something pretty special:
With some much appreciated help from Gregs .............. Garrett G30-660-1.01 is on its way !
Should get a major spoolup improvement with maybe a little extra power even.............
With some much appreciated help from Gregs .............. Garrett G30-660-1.01 is on its way !
Should get a major spoolup improvement with maybe a little extra power even.............
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so I see they have a G25-660 with a 0.92 open T3 housing that has about the same compressor map that’s only good for about 24 lb/min exhaust flow though, be limited to maybe low to mid 7xxx rpm or so, would probably give the little EFR that could a run for it’s money down low though
same is available as an open T4 for the G30-660.
supposed to eventually be a 1.06 divided T4 for the G30-660, but as best I can tell they haven’t released it yet. I’d like to see that.The only thing that bother’s me on the v-band housing is they call it a 3” size, but that’s the OD of the flange. The ID of the opening is actually less than 2.5” (around 2.45” or so). That’s kind of small for a 13B, smaller than an open T3. Above 7k it might effectively create more of a restriction than you might otherwise expect for a 1.01 housing.
same is available as an open T4 for the G30-660.
supposed to eventually be a 1.06 divided T4 for the G30-660, but as best I can tell they haven’t released it yet. I’d like to see that.
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#2287
Where did you see those housings ? Would def. have preferred a T3 as it's way easier to make the manifold for.
The ID for the Vband hsg is 56mm
T3 area approx : 2500mm2
Vband area : 2460mm2
So not much difference there. Would be a problem if It were internally wastegated but being external means it doesn't need to be any bigger.
The ID for the Vband hsg is 56mm
T3 area approx : 2500mm2
Vband area : 2460mm2
So not much difference there. Would be a problem if It were internally wastegated but being external means it doesn't need to be any bigger.
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sorry, that was me being an idiot recollecting incorrectly; my memory is getting worse by the day. Thank you for correcting me, was thinking the dimension shown was 50mm, but it’s 60mm with the throat ID being the dimension you stated
they weren’t loose housings, but the turbo could be ordered that way. So they’re out there somewhere despite not being listed on the Garrett site. I saw an article on Garrett for a 30-660 build and noticed the turbo had a bolt-on flange, then scoured the web until I found a site that had a bunch of different turbine housing configurations listed.
The new manifold design I came up with would work best for fitment with a T4 flange. I can make a v-band work with an adapter, but that requires space I’d rather not give up. It’d also transition sharply, which is not good for flow/response.
Let me go find that info again ...
they weren’t loose housings, but the turbo could be ordered that way. So they’re out there somewhere despite not being listed on the Garrett site. I saw an article on Garrett for a 30-660 build and noticed the turbo had a bolt-on flange, then scoured the web until I found a site that had a bunch of different turbine housing configurations listed.
The new manifold design I came up with would work best for fitment with a T4 flange. I can make a v-band work with an adapter, but that requires space I’d rather not give up. It’d also transition sharply, which is not good for flow/response.
Let me go find that info again ...
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here it is, you have to scour down through the list carefully:
https://www.turbokits.com/Turbo_Chargers/Garrett/G_Series/
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https://www.turbokits.com/Turbo_Chargers/Garrett/G_Series/
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Thanks to everyone for sharing the information on the website, I have learned a lot from reading here which only makes me realize how much there is to consider when a person designs a system. Brett's the endless adjustments for small improvements have created a remarkable turbo system, when are you going to sell it as a kit?
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Thanks to everyone for sharing the information on the website, I have learned a lot from reading here which only makes me realize how much there is to consider when a person designs a system. Brett's the endless adjustments for small improvements have created a remarkable turbo system, when are you going to sell it as a kit?
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#2292
here it is, you have to scour down through the list carefully:
https://www.turbokits.com/Turbo_Chargers/Garrett/G_Series/
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https://www.turbokits.com/Turbo_Chargers/Garrett/G_Series/
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#2293
Add me to the list of interested in the manifold+mount. I'm Seth Bibler on Facebook. Happy to do all the rest.
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Lol Brett, a suggested items list would be awesome but I can figure out everything else required (back scrolling through this thread) and am really hoping the manifold price doesn't include all the development/experimental costs. Several engines and turbos would bump up the prices beyond my affordable level.
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so the one thing that sticks out to me, having run a bunch of Matchbot comparisons on BW turbos, the Garrett turbine flow rates for an equal size turbine wheel are much higher on the turbine map that Matchbot indicates as the max turbine flow for a BW turbine.
as an example, Matchbot indicates that the BW 7064 1.05 A/R divided turbine housing maxes out at 21 lb/min.
but on the Garrett G25-660 turbine map it indicates that the 0.94 A/R housing maxes out at a higher 24 lb/min turbine flow.
the thing is, the Garrett turbine wheel (54mm-i/49mm-e) is way smaller than the BW turbine wheel (64mm-i/56mm-e). In order for that to be true, the Garrett turbine flow efficiency would have to be substantially higher the the BW turbine wheel flow efficiency. It almost seems impossible, which brings me back around to the BW Matchbot software output being questionable.
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as an example, Matchbot indicates that the BW 7064 1.05 A/R divided turbine housing maxes out at 21 lb/min.
but on the Garrett G25-660 turbine map it indicates that the 0.94 A/R housing maxes out at a higher 24 lb/min turbine flow.
the thing is, the Garrett turbine wheel (54mm-i/49mm-e) is way smaller than the BW turbine wheel (64mm-i/56mm-e). In order for that to be true, the Garrett turbine flow efficiency would have to be substantially higher the the BW turbine wheel flow efficiency. It almost seems impossible, which brings me back around to the BW Matchbot software output being questionable.
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#2297
Here is my old GT35 1.01 vs a G30 1.01 . Note the housings are identical in size apart from the hole for the turbine .... yet these two housings are shown as flowing identical amounts of air.
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I was looking at a dyno comparison on a Subaru 2.0L between a G25-660 0.92 A/R and the prior GTX3076 0.64 A/R that it replaced, and the G25 killed it across the entire graph; low - high rpm. That’s pretty impressive.
It seems like nobody is doing much with these on a rotary, or at least not down in the lower power range. Hats off to you for bringing this up.
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It seems like nobody is doing much with these on a rotary, or at least not down in the lower power range. Hats off to you for bringing this up.
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