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Ok ...I have a plan.
Have found a local supplier for both ethanol and methanol. ATM ethanol is 3x the price of methanol for reasons mentioned above. I can buy E98 which comes mixed with 2% methanol or straight methanol in 200L drums or 20L containers (much more expensive than drums unfortunately)
So ...... gunna try E10 as my base fuel and add 10L of methanol per 50L . I figure that will give me comparable octane to the E28 mix I'm currently running.
Current premix is good for ethanol or methanol so no worries there.
So ...... gunna try E10 as my base fuel and add 10L of methanol per 50L . I figure...
Oh please don't use methanol!
It is made from refinery by-products and cheap as dirt, the oil companies would love to use it, but they don't.
Eats some alloys, attacks all plastics and most rubber, seals disintegrate, diaphragms disappear, just nasty stuff.
Just retired after forty plus years making gas and chemicals in a synthetic oil refinery.
Made fifty tonnes an hour of benzene, toluene and xylene.
Xylene is the perfect gasoline.
When oil companies blend their gas, they have to mix the cheap stuff, usually 'straight run' components, with the good (high octane/expensive) stuff. It is a fine balancing act, they run as much of the cheap stuff as they can to meet the octane spec.
Xylene (and its buddy Toluene) are magnificent gasolines. Toluene is about 110 octane, and xylenes can be anywhere from 115 to 161, depending on the makeup of the different isomers.
Both are very high quality fuels.
(Don't confuse octane with energy potential, we mix in a lot of Butane/Propane into the gasoline because it is cheap and has a nice 94 octane, but it is an awful fuel, not dense, no oomph, results in a poor 'drivability' index, another spec we have to meet.)
You can read in various Formula 1 articles of a time when teams ran 80% toluene mixes, until that was banned.
Xylenes have lots of uses outside gasoline, as you know we can sell it for lots o'cash as paint thinner/solvent, and toluene is also worth plenty - we make it into styrene plastic and ship it to Japan. We don't like to have to put it into the gasoline. But gas pays the bills, so if a blend comes up short on octane, in goes just enough 'X&T' to get them out of the jam.
I can assure you that one or two gallons of xylene (or toluene) to nine of good quality pump gas will do wonderful things for your power, from an octane and from an overall power point of view. Trust me, you will not get anything like it from an oil company - most 'race gas' still has Lead additives to boost the octane, not X&T.
It is also relatively simple to work out (roughly, not legal for trade!) your final octane in your tank - just add the octane of the pump gas and the octane of the X/T. So 8 gals of 94 octane and 1 of 114 octane = 866, divide by 9 = 96.2 (if there is no Lead involved, that screws up the result)
It is best to keep it less than 40% of the total, because you are also diluting the other additives, the detergents/anti-static/stability package.
So ...... gunna try E10 as my base fuel and add 10L of methanol per 50L . I figure...
Oh please don't use methanol!
It is made from refinery by-products and cheap as dirt, the oil companies would love to use it, but they don't.
Eats some alloys, attacks all plastics and most rubber, seals disintegrate, diaphragms disappear, just nasty stuff.
Just retired after forty plus years making gas and chemicals in a synthetic oil refinery.
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Thanks for the heads up . What if you consider that there will only be 20% methanol in the mix along with a premix additive that also has corrosion inhibitors in it ? In other words ..........the nastiness has been diluted and corrected .....
First it will eat the fuel pump,
then the rubber in the fuel lines,
this might make it thru the injectors or might just plug them totally.
Either way, the seal around each injector will liquidize, unless you have Teflon seals?
Teflon is resistant.
Don't forget, your proposing to keep this mixture in contact with the surfaces for months, under pressure and fairly hot.
You could use methyl tert-butyl ether, like our refinery used to, before it was banned.
That's also made from by-products and cheap-as-dirt, but not corrosive.
There's a reason nobody uses methanol in gasoline.
methanol in your tank is the worst possible choice, go back and review your past zoom-zoom-boom situations because eventually you’ll have another one when the fuel system starts failing. Unfortunately X/T is a lot harder to find retail in the US and through the roof on pricing now thanks to people using it for illicit purposes.
That’s what makes e-fuel great. Gotta think this handwash thing is temporary though, but we’ll see. They’re not selling any to me, any way. If I had property with the proper zoning I’d probably make my own (for fuel-use purposes only ). Not sure what your laws are there for that?
Ok guys ...i'll stick to ethanol and just pay the premium while it's hot property. I'll relay this info to my local rotary shop ......... who gave me the idea!
In other news ...........seeing reports of dermatitis cropping up from over use of alcohol so .............. maybe the craze will die out soon anyway ! lol
is the Gull Force Pro? It says this is a permanent move and they don’t intend to bring it back.
Yes ...that's what I was using . But there is a chemical supply company in town that sells E98(2%methanol) in 20L containers. Just gotta wait till it's readily available again - they are talking mid July.
With that stuff I'll get two full tanks of E30 per 20L container (using E10 as a base fuel)
Did you get a price? Because they charge megadollars more by the drum usually here in the USA. and that’s with std E85 at the pump. It doesn’t really make sense for it to have a race gas price. All they do is put it in a dang drum. Have to think they might have $$$ signs in their eyes as the only source where you’re at.
So, I've been busy with a new turbo manifold design. I have all the bits I need and will be test fitting it soon.
Aims :
Ultrafast turbo spool
Free flowing
Enable refitting omp while retaining 3" intake
Same peak power as my existing (400ish)
Simple layout for ease of install.
Better ground clearance than existing.
Easy to fabricate (may look at making a few if there is interest)
I have a secondary radiator , rx7 depth unbreakable apex seals , and water meth .
Plus dowelling soild corner seals and a few other things.
Hi brett, what is the secondary rad you are using? Is it fitted on the 2nd oil cooler place? I'm interested with this setup to improve my cooling system, I have an AT and afaik AT has smaller rad compared to MT to make room for the ATF cooler.
So, I've been busy with a new turbo manifold design. I have all the bits I need and will be test fitting it soon.
Aims :
Ultrafast turbo spool
Free flowing
Enable refitting omp while retaining 3" intake
Same peak power as my existing (400ish)
Simple layout for ease of install.
Better ground clearance than existing.
Easy to fabricate (may look at making a few if there is interest)
Stay tuned ...
It will be interesting to see what you come up with to improve the current design, sometime ago a picture of a turbine housing with an integral diverter valve was posted and I am thinking it was made by Borg Warner but can't remember for certain. Would they combine to lower the spool RPM even further?
It will be interesting to see what you come up with to improve the current design, sometime ago a picture of a turbine housing with an integral diverter valve was posted and I am thinking it was made by Borg Warner but can't remember for certain. Would they combine to lower the spool RPM even further?
Turblown has taken over the reigns for that product ... they look to be close to production.
Yes it should be great for the top mount setups .The Turbos are too big for a low mount setup though.
Yeah ..it's a great concept . I imagine it will enable te fitting of larger turbine housings whilst retaining the lightning fast spoolup of a smaller one .
In other news ...... I've heard that a lot of those with these turbos end up blowing drivetrain components due to all the torque !
06-04-2020, 06:45 PM
). Not sure what your laws are there for that?
