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Old 05-10-2005, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Blue87Sport
Torque is a fine looking Golden Retriever. They are the best dogs, in my completely unbiased opinion (https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...7&postcount=28). I'm sure he'll be glad to help you get your mind off your dyno numbers.

I wonder if the noise from the AFS testing bothered him. Does the AFS make the same high pitched whine that the compressor blades of a jet engine make? Perhaps it is loud in frequencies above human hearing?

Great looking dog you have and I agree they are the best. My boy Cody I had to put down at 14 about a year and half ago was my saving grace during a terable part of my life.

Yes it sounds just like you are at the airport. Of course not a loud. It did scare him but he was tied up. no one can figure out how he could use the wire cutters to free himself since he has no thumbs.

I'd buy Torque one of those beds like you have but he would eat it. I buy 5 pair of athletic socks each week. I have five extra tennis shoes just so he'll get confused and not eat the pair i'm currently wearing. Yet he always knows, he likes to sleep with his head on my shoes. They must just smell good.

I'm looking for someone who has experiance with the G meter or whatever it's called. You out there CRH. I've a good street to use it on at night. I'd like to know what numbers other cars got.
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul
I'm looking for someone who has experiance with the G meter or whatever it's called. You out there CRH. I've a good street to use it on at night. I'd like to know what numbers other cars got.
FFS! I had one in one of my bags, just in case you wanted to do a baseline on the yellow car! But someone took it for a drive grrr

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Or better still, go buy one with the money you saved by me only having 1 JD...

www.mrdyno.com

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Or better still, go buy one with the money you saved by me only having 1 JD...

www.mrdyno.com

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What are talking about? I said I have one, a G tech pro that is. If that's what you mean? I just wanted to know what are standard results from other cars.
If I use the HP function what weight do I put in?

You know the street I'm on, it is empty at night and I'd go out there a little later and make some runs.
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FFS! I had one in one of my bags, just in case you wanted to do a baseline on the yellow car! But someone took it for a drive grrr

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Well he's bigger than me.
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Hey out there, Omicron, Polak, MazdaManiac and all you guys that know about flashes. Am I just on a old flash?
I'm not sure what kind of shifty deal you pulled to get this old clunker trucked over to you so cheap , but in the normal course of things this car would have been re-flashed prior to delivery. Mazda USA have a live online inventory of all the RX-8's in stock that require reflash as per MSP04. They are meant to be done before delivery to customers. I'm sure yours has been.

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Gomez, I sent you a present via Hymee. See to it that he gives it to you. You may have to pry it out of his hand. Although maybe not, it doesn't go with red.
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Originally Posted by Gomez
I'm not sure what kind of shifty deal you pulled to get this old clunker trucked over to you so cheap , but in the normal course of things this car would have been re-flashed prior to delivery. Mazda USA have a live online inventory of all the RX-8's in stock that require reflash as per MSP04. They are meant to be done before delivery to customers. I'm sure yours has been.

Gomez.
Well that blows. The flash was the good answer. Everything else is harder.
How do I enter that list of cars that Mazda has?
Snap On tried to put the number in and it came back invalid.
I'm going to go get it off the car right now.
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul
Snap On tried to put the number in and it came back invalid.
Oops - You did day you didn't pay full price, right

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PS - I didn't know you had a g-tech. What weight? I drove over some scales one day to check, and try to make an allowance for fuel load.

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Originally Posted by Hymee
Oops - You did day you didn't pay full price, right

Cheers,
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PS - I didn't know you had a g-tech. What weight? I drove over some scales one day to check, and try to make an allowance for fuel load.

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And so?? what did the scale say??

No I didn't pay sticker but They still should give me all the horses with it. Maybe they are all there, just they are very small horses

I had the vin number wrong, I got it off my insurance policy. I sent the right one now. Wonder what will happen if I need my insurance are they going to deny knowing me?

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I dunno. I'll have to check my MR Dyno and see what is dialled in...

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ouch... did you get saddled with one of the limited edition "No powers" (not Lo powers)?
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul
What are talking about? I said I have one, a G tech pro that is. If that's what you mean? I just wanted to know what are standard results from other cars.
If I use the HP function what weight do I put in?

You know the street I'm on, it is empty at night and I'd go out there a little later and make some runs.
When I do Hp runs I use 3174 (3029 spec from Mazda + my weight). The Hp numbers it returns in a 3rd gear pull are frightening low but at least they are very consistent. If you want to get consistent numbers I'd suggest a couple of things.
  • Calibrate the tachometer
  • Use the same stretch of road
  • Level the accelerometers before making any serious runs. This is accomplished by doing one short run. You only need to get the timer to start in order for the Gtech to figure out which way it is facing.
  • For a Hp run, start off just hard enough to get the timer to start counting. Then smoothly shift into 3rd and start your pull to redline. This should give you a run from ~3k RPMs to redline. Coast for a couple of seconds to end the run.

Here is an example from my car. The black run is stock and the red run shows the addition of the Borla exhaust and K&N intake. The other image shows a stock 1/4 mile run with a very hard start. The last image shows the Hp from the 1/4 mile run and illustrates why you have to drive smoothly to get repeatable Hp numbers.

Recent review of the Gtech in Car and Driver.

P.S. Don't assume that your car has the latest flash. A lot of dealerships have not been following MSP04 and have not bothered with updating the cars on their lots. So ask them to verify it.
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Snap On checked the history and I have all the recalls and flashes done.
My G Tech doesn't turn on. Brand new never used. What luck!!!!!!!!!!
I tried to get some freinds of mine with a Honda garage to plug into the OBDll but it would not let him read anything.

I thought if I could get those two things then I might be able to figure out where my horses are.

The other thing is do I have to disconect the rear wheel speed sensors? I didn't do this as I thought it had been proven not nessasary. If it is then I'll try that but don't really want to waste the money if it's not a fair shot at the problem.
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Richard,

Your car sat for a long time at the dealers. Maybe one of the intake doors (S-DIAS or VFAD) is stuck shut thus compromising the air flow at high RPMS. Did you dyno graph show the typical dips at the appropriate RPMS that would show these features are working correctly? Is there another way to test this?
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Now you know why we are so keen on you designing your supercharger :o

Please see this thread for all my findings about power in the RX8.

All power findings are proven with dyno results and A/F Ratio map.

Hope this helps a bit.

If you crush the car it would look like a squashed banana :D
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Originally Posted by Blue87Sport
Richard,

Your car sat for a long time at the dealers. Maybe one of the intake doors (S-DIAS or VFAD) is stuck shut thus compromising the air flow at high RPMS. Did you dyno graph show the typical dips at the appropriate RPMS that would show these features are working correctly? Is there another way to test this?
VFAD is half open (or half shut) when my engine is off.

That is considered abnormal by other forum member. I have no way to prove it either way though, and the sCANalyser will not detect it since there is no PCM input from the VFAD.

I end up removed it and put an Odula RAM intake in.

I think it works better without that VFAD since we have decided that is for noise more than performance.
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Break In

I don’t think your engine is finished breaking in yet.
I noticed a power increase at about 1200-1500 miles about the time the burning oil smell went away, then again at 12000 miles.
I do believe that there is a break-in sub routine in the PCM, but I don’t know for sure.

Dont give up on it so soon, we will help you find the problem.
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Originally Posted by Richard Paul
Snap On checked the history and I have all the recalls and flashes done.
My G Tech doesn't turn on. Brand new never used. What luck!!!!!!!!!!
I tried to get some freinds of mine with a Honda garage to plug into the OBDll but it would not let him read anything.

I thought if I could get those two things then I might be able to figure out where my horses are.

The other thing is do I have to disconect the rear wheel speed sensors? I didn't do this as I thought it had been proven not nessasary. If it is then I'll try that but don't really want to waste the money if it's not a fair shot at the problem.
rp,
pretty sure if you dont pull the rear wheel sensors the motor goes into the limp mode while on the dyno.

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...dyno+limp+mode

beers
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Originally Posted by swoope
rp,
pretty sure if you dont pull the rear wheel sensors the motor goes into the limp mode while on the dyno.

https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...dyno+limp+mode

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I really doubt it...here is my dyno, with DSC off via the dash button......no limp mode, nothing weird, no nothing.....just 178whp; with 12,000 miles or so completely stock.


And there are more to compare here: RX-8 Dynos

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RX8-tx is that dyno sae corrected?
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We dyno'd 6 or seven on one day...had average results 180's...no limp mode on any of the cars...........
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dan i ran on the dyno friday night at wenatchee. 163 was top hp but i also was over temp and actually overheated on the 3rd run. T went down each run- car pulling timing. no fan in frontof the car either-there was one to use just i was first to go and it was forgotten. :o
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Ya...I was there....definitely low #'s...so something was going on. You sure did get warm :D

Big fans are important on a dyno!
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soryy iknew you were there but wanted to just get the numbers out there. damn embarrasing


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