Photic

Hope you're not paying 3$ a gallon

Omicron

Interesting you didn't say "lookee my new car everyone!" but instead introduced it as "Test vehicle." Sounds like you're already planning on blowing it up.

But is no one going to answer this question???

rotarygod

It may very well be able to pass a sniffer test but it will not pass a visual inspection since it is not carb approved. Here in Texas it would be no issue. I don't know what it would be like in your state.

Richard Paul

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No I'm not planing on blowing it up. It is just a little different then say your car is to you. Don't be insulted as I don't mean it that way but, this car is considered a test bench or tool for current purposes. You be sure and tell the IRS that if they ask.


I'll speculate. Probably not, as everyone has to tune it themselves you can bet it is out of the EPA specs. BUT, states vary in their testing. In calif there is no way as there is a visual test meaning if you put a aftermarket oil filler cap on it you fail.
Other states do tail pipe tests with who knows what speeds and load. Others still just plug into the OBDll and see if there are any CEL's if not you pass.

As we are in California we will attempt to get CARB exemption. How long and how much it costs I don't know. Whatever it is it has to be added to the price of the kit though. Now I hear guysin other state yelling that they should not have to pay for all the tree huggers in Ca but it is not my falt. In fact I'm on your side. I know that my SC will not make any extra smog but the smarter minds in our state capital know more about engines then I do. You do know that they are the smartest, most informed and caring people in the world. If Arni doesn't start doing something about it soon I'm going to go up there and punch him out.

Ajax

You can't really say it doesnt produce more smog because in reality, it probably does. It's just not how you would think about it. Say you drive 12,000 miles a year and average 240 miles per tank. That's 50 fills per year.
Now you add the supercharger and like many performance mods, gas mileage will probably decrease. You're now getting only 200 miles per tank which means 60 fills per year.
That gas is being burned so you're producing 10 extra tanks of gas worth of smog per year to drive the same number of miles.
Not that I care cuz hey, you might get better gas mileage and if that were the case, the govt of CA should pay you for your technology!

On a totally seperate note... your shifter is outstanding. I installed it today and I'm extremely impressed at how smooth the car shifts now. This is how it should've come from the factory. It's a wonder car companies don't put a little extra cash into a part like this when they make a manual as I guarantee they'd have more manual drivers if they did. It's just plain awesome. Thanks!

John Corbitt

In Germany, It is over $6 US per gallon. No exaduration, I have signed a single fuel receipt for over $30,000.00 US.

I would like to get one of these shifters, as well. I am under the impresion it improves the reverse engagement. Can someone post a link to it.

John

John Corbitt

In Germany, It is over $6 US per gallon. No exaduration, I have signed a single fuel receipt for over $30,000.00 US.

I would like to get one of these shifters, as well. I am under the impresion it improves the reverse engagement. Can someone post a link to it.

John

Richard Paul

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I just might see it different. Of course the statment I'm about to make is BS, but it could be true. It really could be if I wasn't in reality helping you to go fast. Yet officially I'm not going to admit it. It's not company policy.

The SC does not use more fuel!! At least mine doesn't. You may use more due to your own devices. If you drive with the exact same performance usage then the engine is only using the same fuel it did before. Say you drive the freeway at 65 mph your car takes X HP to do so. Just because there is a SC on it doesn't mean it is being used, it can't be or the car would be going faster. The Axial Flow SC runs in the vacuume between the TB and the ports. It uses no power under those conditions.

The same holds true during acceleration, if you go at the same rate then the supercharge isn't in play. Same power requirment, same mileage.

Now if you by your own device use more power then it will use more fuel. But I feel no guilt, you did it, not me. My SC is capable of getting the same milage as before. Only you alone decide to use the extra fuel.

On top of that if you messure it by BSFC my bet is that at full throttle my system with the nozzles before the compressor will get better milage. So if you could use that power to go faster with better mileage you would be on the road for less time and make less smog. I'm a hero, give me a drum roll from the tree huggers.
It's not my fault that they will not let you drive faster. It's their fault. We all know who they are. :D


Glad you liked the shifter. I can't wait for my own Rx8 to get here so I can install and drive with one. Of course no one is going to listen to my opinion so I will not give it. I already did by building it. Once I have that car who knows what I'll build for it. I know but I'm not saying. That is beside the SC.

Richard Paul

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Try: axialflow.com :D

They couldn't have the same tax on air fuel as they do for road tax???
No one would buy fuel in their country. Just a splash to get over to the next country.

Ajax

www.axialflow.com

and yes, it does improve reverse engagement. The car slides easily into reverse every single time w/o fear of it popping out of gear either due to the shape of the "tang" as gomez referred to it. It's very nice. Since you're in europe though, hymee is your dealer. www.hymee.com/rx8

Richard Paul

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His car is in Florida. From what I gather he almost lives on Ocala airport.

Ajax

well ok then :b

Omicron

I know exactly what you mean Richard, I just found it amusing the way you put it. And I have to note that very few tuners would be willing to purchase a $30000 "test bench" so more power to ya. I just hope you can enjoy the car a little bit too. Here in Colorado last I checked there was both a visual inspection and a tail pipe sniffer.

Assuming it can be tuned to pass the sniffer, what happens if if fails the visual? I don't expect the morons at emissions testing to be able to tell a FI'd rotary from a espresso maker, but maybe they can pick it out. So let's say I fail. Then what? Have I just made it impossible to drive my car? Never been in this (potential) situation before with a new car, so what do I do? Do I have to remove the FI every time I go to test for emissions?

Aoshi Shinomori

In addition to what Omicron asked, how difficult may it be to uninstall? Could we just uninstall the actual blower piece and then we'd be safe? Could anything be hidden under the engine covers(they'll probably remove these anyway, right?)? I live in NY and I think we just matched the California standards for smog and stuff, but I'm very interested in this product. Thanks for solutions in advance.

djgiron

Omicron, if there is a way you can get it registered in Summit County, or another county that does not do emissions testing you won't have to worry about it ever. And you won't have to get emissions for 5 years anyway since it is a new car it is exempt for that long. To get it registered in a different county, get a PO Box there and have some mail sent to it, all you have to have is some piece of mail with an address in that county sent to you to "prove" you live there. Or have a friend that lives up there you can have some mail sent to and use there address. I get my cars registered in Grand County as I have friends that live up there. That is the easiest way around the emissions in colorado anyway. BTW when I get back from Iraq and get my 8, I can show you some nice moutain roads to take a ride up on.

Richard Paul

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Omicron, I can pretty well assure you that my system will pass a sniffer test. Because I intend to not alter the off boost mapping. There is no test cycle that asks for full throttle. They just test at idle and two cruise modes. Even the CAFE testing does not get into a power position that would get into boost. Although they do have a lot more testing cycles than a standard smog test. They do have a drive simulation that goes into acceleration and high speed cruise. I still can't see them getting into boost. My system will not be adding any fuel prior to boost. The stock system will have full control as long as there is negative pressure in the manifold.

The visual test is harder to beat. That does make a case for down grading the finish on the blower though. If it looks like just another engine componant they may not know what it is. They don't see to many rotarys anyway. I just don't think my sales would be as great if it doesn't look like a high tech part.

We've been kicking around carbon fiber ducting, now there is another reason not to.

As to what happens to you if they fail you on visual, I can't say. In California you probably get 20 to 25 years in jail. But the worst they can do is tell you to take it off. In that case I'd just "move" to another county like someone said. I guess Texas is also an option as they don't have the visual test. Montana has no test at all and no speed limits. That is attractive now isn't it?? Bad weather though.

I want to do the CAFE thing because I know it will pass easy. It is just the time and money it takes. Plus the limit on year models sucks. I don't want to have to go get a '06 model and then an '07 etc every time I need the exemption.

If they put this same engine into a SUV then it would not be covered by the same exemption, it would have to be done over. There is no common sense in government. You can't point it out to them they just point to the book.

SEMA has been the leader in getting the aftermarket acceptence. In fact the CAFE test place is next door to SEMA on SEMA property. I think they paid to build the building too. But it gives them oversite as to what is going on now doesn't it.

I'll be keeping you up on what we are doing with this in the future. Right now I'm waiting for my car to get here..............waiting, waiting, waiting. It's harder to wait when you've already paid for it and they tell you it might be another week or 10 days. I could've flown back there and drove it home but i'd probably wind up in jail someplace like Ohio. I did once in Wisconson with a rent-a-car. But they let me buy my way out. Nice of them.

epitrochoid

florida has no emissions testing at all, and the cops drive their personal sports cars around with no cat all the time. ..and there is a speed limit in montana now too many people were going there just to speed.

Omicron

Yep, I know about the other county thing. It's an option I'll pursue if I need to. Thanks for the suggestion. I also know I don't have to test it for 4 years, but I plan on keeping it longer than that.

As for the road trip/canyon road exploration - you're on! You should also hook up with us for our main (local) club meet coming up June 4th and 5th... we'll be doing some driving then for sure. You haven't lived till you've been a convoy of 20+ RX-8s carving up a canyon road in Colorado! :D

Omicron

Well thanks Richard. I''ll look forward to the updates, as I know we all will, regardless of the reasons. :D

djgiron

Well how bout hooking for a meet in June of 06 as I will be over here till then haha.

Moostafa29

Ok, I'm not sure if this has been discussed in this thread or not, but I'm not going through 100+ pages to find the answer. I was wondering if you could use this supercharger unit with an aftermarket intake...say Racing Beat's? I think the combo of the two would be nice, maybe a port also :D

Richard Paul

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I think that we need the space where the RB intake fits. Also any intake tuning would be invalid with the supercharger. We will be including the air inlet system with the kit. There will be no need for any extras. If you are thinking of mods that will be compatable with future FI keep them to the exhaust side.

We will be looking at the layout of the 8 very shortly and will know for sure what fits. Currently though I feel that the real estate in front of the engine is where stuff must go. I think the air cleaner may wind up behind the bumper like others have done.

While I am interested in getting cold air into the engine I am not likely to use a foward facing scoop. I think you will find the pressure the same if you turn it sideways. I'll get into the reason why when I feel more like typing.

rotarygod

Let's see if I can answer it very simply (not likely) without leaving out something important.

There is higher pressure in the region where the air filter will go. This pressure is no different no matter which way the filter is facing. It is location based. The filter is placed within the high pressure zone and that is all that is relevant as this high pressure air will still enter the filter. Air changes direction after it passes through the filter element anyways so it really doesn't matter which way it is facing as air is never blowing directly into the inlet tube.

guitarjunkie28

every time i blink this thread gets a couple pages longer.

Richard Paul

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Thanks RG as you know I don't type and you're better with words anyway. Although we both ramble on sometimes.