Brettus...I love your avatar...one minute I am reading about a turbo kit, the next I am looking at this amazing setup..I salute you, I am indeed a fan.

 

There are new upgrades at Esmeril, a new product, changes to existing ones etc...

After much popular demand, we are now including a Precision Turbo turbocharger with all our kits with upgrades available such as a new billet wheel option and/or Ball Bearing center.

For product info visit esmeril racing
For pricing and purchasing, visit Mazdaparts.com

Best regards,
Chris

 

Interesting....

 

This is development! They make quality turbo's and Chris knoes his stuff about the Rx8. I guess I will say it first, pics, dyno, who will be the first to get/try this new set up. What about upgrading the BOV and wastegate?

 

The wastegate has already been updated about a year and a half ago and all kits are shipped with a Tial Unit that does not protrude from the bottom of the car like the early kits.

Best regards,
Chris

 

I'll go into even more detail for those who want to know:

The wastegate was updated in 2009 to a lower profile Tial that addressed the clearance issues. I'm sure there are still pics of the kit floating around with the old wastegate. The Tial on there has been great. Esmeril may offer a water cooled upgrade option in the future for the wastegate but it is not necessary.

The BOV has been problem free since the first prototype of the kit began testing in early 2006. The reason for the turbo upgrade is due to popular demand, easier upgradability, and for brand recognition.

 

Why would the BOV be a problem? Just change it to a better one. What precision are you using now Chris? AR's and wheel?

 

The BOV with the early kit was trashed,

The issue was the diaphragm. They used what looks like woven and dipped cloth (like a waterproof jacket) rather than silicone or the like....but it sucked, I rebuilt the WG and BOV from the first gen kits and got them to seal and they worked fine. But all the soft goods needed work. I guess it helps to have your own dive locker with all the fittings required to make air tight stuff.

 

So has price changed? What about the injectors and staging of them? Plug and play with the 8 so no adapter is needed? What sizes and brand would they be?

 

Its on sale right now but after the sale price only went up $100 from what it was the past several months.

The injectors have always been plug and play. 2, 1000cc are included with the kit. We have been using RC engineering injectors for some time now as our previous supplier stopped selling 1000ccs. EDIT: We have shipped Bosch injectors more recently as well, Esmeril corrected me on this.

The microtech that is available includes a plug and play harness...we did our best to keep price low so we kept it in its original Microtech case (we didn't stuff it into an aluminum box)...which is nice because it is half the size.

The ignition now has a fully plug and play adapter...that was actually updated earlier this year but we've been busy with engineering projects and didn't properly announce it.

 

Assuming a car has your basic turbo kit and a high-flow cat... Is the only way to pass an inspection requiring no codes / CELs to install an Accessport? Is there another way to supplement your kit to pass?

Feel free to PM me a reply if you need to.

 

This advice is only for tracked cars who do not want to see cels...we cannot make this recommendation for cars on the road for legal reasons:

You can wire the microtech differently so that the primaries are controlled by the stock ECU. Then double up on the O2 bung on the midpipe (You can use a spark plug spacer instead of a bung as it just screws right in)


The problems with this approach is:
1) When you are in the high 300whp range your injector support needs to be supplemented. Which means another set of larger injectors, the 2. 1000ccs we include with the kit will not be enough.

2) Microtech or Interceptor-X base map programming Esmeril includes for free with the price of a kit is setup for you to control the primaries...so although you can learn a lot from this base map it will not just load in and work with this setup.

3) We don't normally sell a plug and play harness for this setup...but we can get it for you or direct you who to order it from, the downside is that it is more expensive and takes a few weeks to get here since it is coming from Australia.

There is an added advantage with this approach:
1) Idle is controlled by the stock ECU...it will be almost perfect and require no tuning as you make changes to your setup.

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Will the kit bolt to a 2009 rx8?

 

Ya, I remember the set you sent me. I remember how they failed and my motor blow up. I also remember how you blew me off afterwards.

 

First off let me clear up that your setup that failed, did not have any components from our company other than the injectors (you optioned for the kit but then backed out and purchased a different one). Regardless, what we sold you were brand new components that have never been reported as failing by any of our customers or during our own testing. We had no idea of what you installed with what or how because it wasn't from us so we have no control over what part of your combination failed. Your setup probably didn't work because of other reasons (perhaps lack of tuning), very doubtful that it was our injectors yet you chose to channel your anger towards us for some reason even though there are 50 other components that could be to blame.

I am very sorry that it did not work out for you, if you would've changed from existing injectors to ours with no other changes besides that and had trouble I would understand your claim but you installed our injectors with several modifications at once, most of which were not from us, your engine blew and you blame it on our injectors which we have sold hundreds off with 0 reported failures. Not to mention that we never received the injectors back for testing (even though we asked), did you expect us to take blame for your turbo/engine setup from other vendors failing without even getting the part that supposedly failed back for testing? That is a little far fetched.

Again, I am very sorry that it ended this way but I'd like to state the purpose of this thread and why it was brought back to life and its not for bashing, if you have the faulty injectors still and want to send them back, we will gladly replace them once we confirm that they are faulty. Leave the bashing out of the thread, feel free to PM me and I will send you the address where you should send the "faulty" injectors so you can return them.

Best regards,

Chris

 

Im thinking about this kit, I was looking at it on the mazdaparts website, but I have a newb question.....

Does this come with engine management, I read that it comes with one base tune for intercepter-x but does it come with the interceptor-x or do I have to purchase that as well?

sorry if this has already been mentioned in this thread.

 

Chris can you get me a price on the injectors that we talked about via email. As soon as possible, I'm itching to get her above the 7lbs mark.

 

I will get back to you as soon as I get a reply from the supplier. I already have an RFQ going with them.

Chris

 

Chris,
Will this kit fit my 2009 RX8? I have a wiring diagram from Mazda for the new ecu and I believe I can tune the car well going to try I just need you to tell me that the kit will fit.

 

Esmeril performed measurements on the 2009 but has not been able to bolt on a kit. Based on the preliminary measurements kit will fit just fine. If you are concern please contact Chris via PM as we can arrange something that will let you test fitment.

This will sound more complex than it actually is, a tuner or DIY tuner with patience can easily do this:

The other concern was that there are only 4 injectors on the 2009. I spoke to Chris today and we are going to offset the change in injector support with slightly larger injectors for 2009+ models. The kit will still include the larger fuel pump of course.

We can still provide you with a base map but yes it will need to be tuned to allocate more fuel to the larger injectors.

 

Can the esmeril Kit be tuned using COBB which already i have purchased or the microtech is absolutely necessary??I am asking because we don't have someone knowing how to tune a microtech here in Cyprus.Can a tuner work his way out with the Microtech or is it necessary for him to have previous experience and training with Microtech's in general???

 

There was a Microtech tuner in Cyprus that worked on another customers car but I believe he moved to Thessaloniki, Greece. Any rotary tuner in Cyprus will know the Microtech and it is preferable to have a rotary knowledgeable tuner to do your tuning....but a good general tuner will research proper tuning for a rotary and could handle it.

A Cobb will require a custom intake which a tuner could probably setup for you. The problems arise when you are in the high 300whp range and higher where it is my understanding the airflow is so great the MAF cannot get the proper reading without electronic attenuation. Add to that problems with putting very large injectors required when for when you are going over 400whp causes the car to bog with too much fuel at lower rpms.

Mazdamaniac may correct me on this and he is the guru on the AP so his word on the AP would be the final one. Unfortunately no one has been trying to get the AP to work on a 400whp+ renesis if that is where you'd want to take the kit.

We were considering attenuation of the MAF with an AP for over 400whp but with the announcement of the AP being discontinued for the RX-8 it is not worth the R&D costs. If Mazdamaniac is able to change their minds we may reconsider it.

 

a much shorter more direct answer than the novel of a response you were given...

it depends on the cat, some people dont get a CEL from certain cats, some do. the rest makes no difference. if this highflow cat produces a CEL(regardless of turbo or not) the AP is the only way. and thats only an option for a few more days


I'm not even sure any of this makes sense
i hope i misunderstand and you arent suggesting you can get rid of the CEL this way.. its common knowledge that although a few select cars have successfully got this to work(at least temporarily), that it is in general a waste of time to even try unless you have one of the few cars from the right model year that it might work on.

for microtech applications, as retarded as i think that approach is.... that'd probably be the way to use the microtech. its simply not a good choice for making the car idle properly under its own control, so OEM control would be an improvement.

 

thats not true

theres no R&D to do, you simply change your MAF tube diameter and rescale it accordingly in the tune...

 

Would the ecu choices you provide work with the 09s I know there are no plug and play but it I wire them directly to the ecu will the work. And I would def be down with working out some sort of test fitting. I'll pm Chris or you guys can pm me with all the good details. I'm very interested in doing this.