jsjjr

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That's cool. Tell ya what. Drive someone's car that has MM's tune. You'll notice the difference right off the bat..

DarthRX8

Any mod that while adding performance can also increase MPGs and the longevitity of my 8 is worth it to me!

r0tor

iTrader: (1)

I really hate to burst your bubble, but MM's base map does zilch for performance. All it does it up the oil injection at low load, turn on your fans sooner, and change the map for the throttle by wire so the throttle opens further with the same gas pedal position.

rx 8speciale

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dude your dyno butt is working...

jsjjr

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That may very be what he's doing...I didn't make any comment on 'how' or 'what' he did, I'm just saying the basic tune makes a world of difference in how 'my' car drives. Once I'm done with the rest of the tuning, it'll still be better than what I had with a stock car.

r0tor

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...never trust butt dynos on RX8club...

PSTNLSS

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Best $400 to spend

http://kalecoauto.com/index.php?main...products_id=41

just my $.02

DarthRX8

^ thats hilarious!

tiltmode43

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I live in California; perhaps if removing a CEL will pass your emissions that aspect would indeed be desireable. For CA users, removing CEL is purely cosmetic. Also, I am NA and 95% of the time I have no CEL.

tiltmode43

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If AP were the only option, I would be all for it, preaching it a steal for what it's capable of. The differenciating factor between it and RB flash just aren't great enough for me. Indeed a good thread, you get first person points of view. At the risk of redundancy, na power hunting on this car is laughable compared to other platforms.

Fi / AT = AP no doubt.

MazdaManiac

iTrader: (3)

And you are suggesting this is fact based on what assessment?


The base calibration does not touch the OL fuel tables and main ignition tables.
However, I do make adjustments to the CL trim tables, the rise-time ignition tables, the load modifiers and the injector scaling in that v4.0.0 calibration for N/A.

Apparently, r0tor is only looking at the "stolen" version of one of my early "base" calibrations from last spring that was going around courtesy of lolachampcar (and courtesy of Cobb, who hadn't gotten the code lock right at that point).

r0tor

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actual results of your base map -shrug-

remapping that throttle though is a great trick to impress people, i'll give you that

MazdaManiac

iTrader: (3)

So, you know what I am doing to the maps based on the results? I take it you are using your butt dyno for this measurement?

You talk a lot of **** for someone that is using my calibrations and wants more of the same for free.

I don't remap the throttle on the base calibrations. I did however remap the throttle on the customer calibration that Bill unlocked and spread around, so you are effectively admitting to receiving stolen intellectual property.

r0tor

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...well i sure as hell know the maps last summer you sent me had the throttle readjusted...

r0tor

iTrader: (1)

oh... and get your story straight first https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=160

MazdaManiac

iTrader: (3)

First of all, that's March of last year. As I pointed out, I moved to an entirely different system in December of last year. (I had also moved to an incrementally different system in September when I generously offered to extend your already-expired Calibration Service.)
Second, I am discussing a tuned calibration in that post, not a start-up calibration.

r0tor

iTrader: (1)

oh thats right - in my 15 months you went through 3 different tuning strategies (well actually 4 since I provided lots of info on the early problems), every time I got close to getting a final tune (since you get about a map every month or so) the strategy "changed" so I had to start from scratch, I took it upon myself to automate the spreadsheets to help you catch back up, and by doing that and getting 9 tunes in 15 months i was an overwhelming pain in your *** and i don't deserve any coil dwell adjustments

...ah yes, its all coming back to me now... lolz

MazdaManiac

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Hey, if that's how you see it, then so be it.
If it would be useful to you, I can post up every correspondence we had in that period. I'm sure it would be quite enlightening.

You are a drop in the bucket - one of 400 customers - and a bitter drop of acid at that. I have no problem letting you go.

tiltmode43

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r0tor

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Get AccessPort and its running super lean





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3/21/2008
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From r0tor


Attached is the data.

It appears I'm running a full point higher afr ratio tonight then last week. Either the Cobb "stock" flash with the new cal is leaner then my old cal or perhaps I have to drive around longer to develop the fuel trims more (i drove around for a good hour after going to stock -which was 3 drive cycles)... or my car suddenly changed

not sure... the "butt dyno" feels about normal though as was the idle and driveability


Let me know if you need more or different data. If your putting together a map just for me, I'd really like... mild oil metering increases over stock, lower fan temps then stock, the 9200 rpm redline, 12.8-13.0 afr for stage 1, and all CELs functional (i'd actually like to see if my cat fails).


3/21/08
mazdamaniac

Can I get a log that is stock OE flash with these data points:
RPM
MAF
LAMBD and
LOAD
The calculated load number is more important that anything.

I'll put together a custom calibration from that.

Thanks!
Jeff Abrams

-----Original Message-----
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 2:27 PM
To: Jeff Abrams
Subject: AP running lean

Jeff,

This is r0tor from the forum. I have one of the lean running NA cars out there and i verified it is indeed running lean on my CANscan. My car setup is stock intake, RP high flow cat, RB exhaust.

PLease take a look at the data from my car while on the stock calibration that I recorded last week. I have airflow logged as well as a VE calculation and some graphs. One thing to note is for the throttle position i logged absolute instead of relative by mistake so it goes between 13-78% instead of 0-100.

I'd really like to see my car running at 13.0 for a stage 1 setup. Hopefully this is achievable as currently it was in the 14's and 15's at WOT.

thanks
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4-6-2008
Jeff,

I've been driving around with the map 'MM 2004 MT NA v 1b_1A' for a couple weeks now and I just wanted to give you some feedback data as to how its running at WOT and see if its matching up to the targets you were expecting... i assume it is but you would be the one that would really know obviously. I've attached the data I just took from a 2nd and 3rd gear run for analysis.

I also attached the map i'm running on for reference. Perhaps if everything is performing as expected, I could get a matching stage 2 map and give that a try. I also was wondering if you still had all the CELs active on this map - I have a cat and would like to know if its going out!

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5-16-2008
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This e-mail is being sent to ALL of the people that have purchased an
AccessPORT from me since February.
The content/request is not user specific, so if this seems "out of the
blue", understand that I am just trying to get a handle on all of the issues
that are being experienced by AccessPORT owners so that I can better serve
you.

I've just cleared my inbox again (40 - 60 e-mails a day for the last 2
months of just AccessPORT stuff!), so I need to "start over" with data from
everyone that is using the AccessPORT.
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6-21-2008
(sorry, never did this... first got time to datalog)


Please list any concerns or issues you have noted:

Runs a bit rich yet. Also as I mentioned on the forums, on warm idle its undriveably for the first 2 drive cycles until a fuel trim gets established for when the engine is rev'd up and then falls back and tries to find idle.

(data attached)
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7-8-2008
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Dear MazdaManiac AccessPORT customer:

Due to high demand and an ever-expanding customer base, my policy for AccessPORT support and custom calibration is changing.

Custom calibration services and changes to existing calibrations will be handled under the new Custom Calibration Service.
All NEW customers will receive this service at no additional charge.
All existing customers will also receive this service at no additional charge starting today (Tuesday, July 8th, 2008), regardless of how many updated calibrations you have received so far. This also includes all of the current "second-hand" owners that have contacted me.
Anyone that purchases an AccessPORT from a different source or purchases an AccessPORT "second-hand" from an original MazdaManiac customer after today (Tuesday, July 8th, 2008) can purchase this support separately for $299.00* on my WEB site. http://www.mazdamaniac.com/cobb/accessport.htm

The new Custom Calibration Service entitles the purchaser up to five (5) personalized calibration adjustments for a period of six (6) months after the initial installation set is provided.

I understand that wait times for new files have been long for some and the process has been difficult for others that have highly modified vehicles.
This change to the follow-up process will help ensure that everyone that has purchased (or will purchase) an AccessPORT will get responses to customization requests of equal quality and timeliness.

To be enrolled in this service, please respond to this e-mail with the following information:


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7-11-2008
not sure if you ever got this...

(requoted above last and resubmitted data)
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7-15-2008

calibration attached from jeff
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.... but the the process once again changes....


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9-23-2008

Jeff... I downloaded the RaceTUNER software so I guess my map needs to be redone (per your forum comments). My current map and log are attached.

My wish list for the new map....
- i believe its running a bit rich yet
- i get smoke on cold starts. Can the OMP be set to 6 instead of 9 at the low end?
- I'd like all CEL's enabled please
- Stock throttle response in the lower gears
- Also, i think you might have changed something at idle with this map because of my past problems of the car stalling right after a reflash. I believe you have the map to go rich at idle with a little load. If thats the case, that can be eliminated as it didn't help the situation

(data attached)
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11-19-2008
You are receiving this e-mail because you are listed as a current MazdaManiac AccessPORT customer.

This e-mail is being sent to EVERY MazdaManiac AccessPORT customer.

You do NOT need to respond to this e-mail unless you have concerns or are in need of adjustments to your calibration.

If this e-mail has reached you in error or you no longer use a MazdaManiac provided AccessPORT, please disregard.

If you have sold your AccessPORT, please feel free to forward this e-mail to the new owner.

There has been some confusion about the most efficient way to submit data for updated calibrations.

Included below are the two instruction sets – the initial and the follow-up – that are sent to every AccessPORT customer.

It is very important that these instructions be followed exactly in order to expedite the calibration process.

Also included is an example of a good data set.

Please strive to duplicate these efforts to the best of your ability so that I might better fine-tune your calibrations.

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....still no map response sent....
... i uninstalled the map as my car ran like ****. I find out he masked the emissions CEL and I had a dead cat I didn't know about.
December hits and Jeff posts the process has once again changed and "everyone" resend things in. I decide to give it another shot.

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1-23-2009



Any suggestions are welcome on why my car seems to be down on power and fuel mileage (averaging 16-17mpg when I use to get 19-20mpg). I have the BHR plugs/coils/wires, a brand new RP high flow cat, cleaned the maf and intake out, the compression tested out at 7.0 on both rotors at the corrected rpm, zoom cleaner was done, and tried premixing.

MAP REQUEST: I'd like all CEL's enabled please. Idle MOP injection seems to cause smoke if its over 7 so please limit the increase accordingly. I occasionally have to deal with valet parking so i'd like raising the warm-up rev limit at 5500rpms to about 120 def F.

(data attached)
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2-5-2009

"received"
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2-16-2009
Updated calibration attached. Repeat instructions below to verify fueling correction.



Thanks!
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2-20-2009


.... i didn't notice really any changes to the afr's from the base map....

(datalogs attached... well i thought anyway)
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3-1-2009

Logs?

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3-1-2009
sonufabitch

(logs sent)
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3-6-2009
This e-mail is sent to ALL MazdaManiac Cobb AccessPORT customers that are enrolled in the Custom Calibration Service.

Because of the recent updates to the AccessPORT firmware and the difficulties experienced by some users in understanding and completing the calibration process, I felt it would be useful to again provide the instruction set to those using the Calibration Service, even if you have already progressed well into the process or have completed it.

If you have had your car dyno-tuned and/or it is running at full potential, there is no need to request further calibration updates.



New users should begin the process in section “A” of this e-mail.

If you are already at a calibration level above v4.0.1, you can advance to section “B” of this e-mail and continue to submit your logs and calibrations as instructed in the follow-up e-mails that accompany each successive calibration level.
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3-27-2009

calibration sent by jeff
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4-12-2009 datalogs submitted
4-12-2009 "received" email
4-14-2009 calibartion 3 sent

---BHR coil adjustment needs announced----

4-19-2009 datalogs submitted

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Date: Monday, May 11, 2009, 9:41 PM

Hey –

Do you realize that you are at the one year and 3 month point on your 6 month contract?

Lol

Thanks.
-Jeff
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5-11-2009
Give me one that works and i'll be done?

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5-11-2009

One that works? WTF are you talking about?

You are on your v4.0.3 and you keep sending me logs for idle, cruise and WOT that are already properly set up.

What are you expecting?

All your AFRs are spot on. There is nothing left to do with this.
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throw in some retarded comments on the BHR thread and me working with him in December on some spreadsheets and thats the "saga"


and the final results of 15 months
AFR RPM
13.82 3678
13.96 3818
14.11 3956
14.26 4072
14.7 4222
14.41 4372
13.82 4517
13.67 4669
13.67 4798
13.96 4968
13.67 5134
12.94 5289
12.49 5459
12.05 5656
12.05 5802
12.2 5932
12.35 6111
12.35 6271
12.35 6373
12.49 6574
13.38 6689
13.08 6843
12.79 6990
12.64 7137
12.64 7314
12.05 7466
11.91 7609
12.49 7758
12.49 7848
12.2 8046
12.35 8121
12.2 8286
12.05 8450
11.91 8557
11.76 8645
11.47 8817
12.05 8910
12.35 8922

r0tor

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and i'll top it off with this
https://www.rx8club.com/showpost.php...&postcount=561

robrecht

Todd, are you sure about that claim about the AP increasing motor longevity? I could've sworn that MM has said that it should be expected and accepted that tuning for increased performance will not only shorten cat life but engine life as well. So many threads and posts have been deleted, I can't say for sure that I'm remembering that correctly. I understand that increasing OMP output is good, akin to premix, in protecting seals, but won't the leaner a:f ratios generally increase temperatures?

Flashwing

Rob, I responded to your PM but I'll post a little bit here.

It could be said that you should expect reduced engine life when you increase motor performance. However, in the case of a naturally aspirated motor there are so many factors at play that it's impossible to directly link engine failure to performance increases. Things like environmental conditions, fluid qualtiy and change intervals, driving style etc. are all things that effect engine life.

Leaner air/fuel ratios result in higher exhaust gas temperatures which can BBQ your cat if you don't take that factor into consideration. That's why MM will tune for an 11.9 - 12.2 air/fuel when a cat is present.

I have only my own car as an example that my beliefs are true. I just crossed 80,000 miles on my factor motor, factory tranny and factory clutch. I have about 15 autocross events and 3 road course track events that I've used my car for as well. The car has also seen 3 hot Phoenix summers.

robrecht

Reminds me of the line from Alice's Restaurant:

"Kid, we only got one question. Have you ever been arrested?"

alz0rz

iTrader: (41)

Best $700 you will spend on this car.

Even if you don't feel the results, hopefully you'll know them.