Baseline Automated Tuning Beta Now Available for Download
10-19-2008, 04:15 AM
#1
Baseline Automated Tuning Beta Now Available for Download
PPO2's Tuning Software Introduction Video
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT: Version 1.6.3 is now available with MAF based tuning and import defaults!!! 1.6.3 also works with Vista !!!!!
This copy will work until March 30th, 2010. *** Updated Version 1.6.3***
Fixes:
- Save Existing Template Error
- MAP Based tuners having to put in a MAF scale / you no longer have to.
- Import RPM bug in Vista
- MAF Voltage errors when tuning with a MAP EMS
- Bulk Target AFR Loader! No more typing!
I will try to get out new versions of the Beta as I fix MAJOR issues.
Link to Download Version 1.6.3 -
VISTA USERS
**** You must also put the file into a trusted location so the code can run. Read more about it here: http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/ac...319991033.aspx - VISTA ONLY
Zipped File Clicky!!!
You MUST have MS Access 2003 or later to use the Beta version. If not you will have to wait until I move it to a standalone.
How to Use the Wizard Help This sets up the motor for Baseline
How to Import a Data-log into Baseline
How to Create a Tune and View
User Guide is in progress under "Help".
Sample Log File to play with - http://www.mediafire.com/?mmntwl0wknm
For Hondata - use the % to Add or Remove; since your maps are not in Duration or Duty Cycle.
For PFC - UPDATE!!! Apexi PFC Now Has the Duration Map available!
For IntX - Be sure to set up the auxilary fueling in the Injector Setup Window by Checking the Auxiliary Fueling Block. And use the % to Add or Remove also.
For AP Racetuner - go ahead an set the Manifold PSI Scale up in load - and see what kind of logs you get; I don't know how it will work yet - but if you are bored. I do know the HP calculations will be wayyyyyy off.
You must set up the load in the scale your EMS logs in - so if your EMS load is in percent but is logged as full numbers - set the load scale up accordingly (10 instead of .10 etc). This is important.
Go to http://ppo2performance.com/ for more information...
**** To save your import file defaults, select the columns in the import window and press "Save Defaults". The next file you import will default to the columns from your set-up.
**** If you are Tuning with a MAF Sensor; you need to go into Options and set up your MAF scale from your factory EMS - so you can get your MAF Scale grouped by your voltages.
Last edited by Kane; 01-18-2010 at 12:36 PM.
10-19-2008, 05:26 PM
#2
I am loading the last video now.
One thing to note - once you have created a new tune the next step is to go and relog your car. Prior to importing the new log - go to the Get Ready for the Next Tune tab and back up your old logfiles; else they will corrupt your new ones since you will be trying to make a map off of two tunes.
One thing to note - once you have created a new tune the next step is to go and relog your car. Prior to importing the new log - go to the Get Ready for the Next Tune tab and back up your old logfiles; else they will corrupt your new ones since you will be trying to make a map off of two tunes.
10-19-2008, 05:35 PM
#3
So here is the down and dirty user guide.
1 - Set Up your motor, map scales, AFR target map and your injectors using the wizard (you can mess with the injectors, scales and AFR Map from the options window as well).
2 - Leave the Engine Window on your left ALONE.
3 - Import a new log (must put the full file path into window). File MUST be CSV type (where commas seperate each column).
4 - Select the column that your logfile calls something to map it to Baseline.
5 - Import Log
6 - Massage the Logfile (this accounts for all your AFR latency etc).
7 - Open Fuel Maps and check stuff out.
8 - Press the Red Button to make a new Tune
9 - Open the Tune Tab and see what your new maps ook like - export any of them to Excel by pressing the Export Button.
10 - Back up old logfiles; and repeat for Tunes 2 through 1758650 or whatever.
1 - Set Up your motor, map scales, AFR target map and your injectors using the wizard (you can mess with the injectors, scales and AFR Map from the options window as well).
2 - Leave the Engine Window on your left ALONE.
3 - Import a new log (must put the full file path into window). File MUST be CSV type (where commas seperate each column).
4 - Select the column that your logfile calls something to map it to Baseline.
5 - Import Log
6 - Massage the Logfile (this accounts for all your AFR latency etc).
7 - Open Fuel Maps and check stuff out.
8 - Press the Red Button to make a new Tune
9 - Open the Tune Tab and see what your new maps ook like - export any of them to Excel by pressing the Export Button.
10 - Back up old logfiles; and repeat for Tunes 2 through 1758650 or whatever.
Last edited by Kane; 10-19-2008 at 06:27 PM.
10-21-2008, 11:18 PM
#14
Ooo - good question. I should add that.
In the meantime; you can adjust almost everything from the Engine Screen on the Left and the Option Tab on the main menu - if you are still stuck; let me know and I can try to rush out an update (though you'll lose all your data).
In the meantime; you can adjust almost everything from the Engine Screen on the Left and the Option Tab on the main menu - if you are still stuck; let me know and I can try to rush out an update (though you'll lose all your data).
10-22-2008, 12:28 PM
#15
HUH? so basically with this I can take a tune created by jeff for the AP and make it even better/safer for my car? If this is in fact what is going on then why would there be a need for tunning shops.
I fill lost right now just put me back in the desert!
I fill lost right now just put me back in the desert!
10-22-2008, 01:02 PM
#16
I was just having that convo last night Magic.
One of the hardest parts about doing this kind of work is the fear / resistance to change due to percieved "taking over" of roles by computers. Think auto plants; etc. I have been through that a lot as I was doing my old companies web transition in the late 90's. Lot's of call center folks were pretty pissed about a website taking their jobs (which never actually happened, even though my web appliction now makes up 60+% of all revenue for that company; the call center folks just have more free time to really help out their clients - great customer service FTW).
I bring it up for two reasons; one - the cost of doing business almost always goes down for the consumer and the business when you utilize technology to do what is a repetitive and time consuming process (like 10,000,000 physics equations). BUT a software cannot think outside the box; so Baseline isn't going to tell you that your coils are fried or you have a unmetered air leak. A human tuner will (lets hope).
So what I am doing is trying to unburden you, me and the DIY type consumer with the mathmatical learning curve (that you would have to do EVERY tme you change your motor) in order to allow us to get a statistaclly good tune (think +-3% of optimal). At the same time I would unburden folks like Jeff of a lot of repetition. If he could control theEXACT format he got allof his information then he could get out calibrations a hell of a lot faster.
Baseline can run an infinite number of engines per software copy. So a pro-tuner or shop can use it to track, save and modify tunes and then taking the Baseline tune and combined with their exp and observations of your car - fine tune it. And they can save that history for each engine they play with.
One of the hardest parts about doing this kind of work is the fear / resistance to change due to percieved "taking over" of roles by computers. Think auto plants; etc. I have been through that a lot as I was doing my old companies web transition in the late 90's. Lot's of call center folks were pretty pissed about a website taking their jobs (which never actually happened, even though my web appliction now makes up 60+% of all revenue for that company; the call center folks just have more free time to really help out their clients - great customer service FTW).
I bring it up for two reasons; one - the cost of doing business almost always goes down for the consumer and the business when you utilize technology to do what is a repetitive and time consuming process (like 10,000,000 physics equations). BUT a software cannot think outside the box; so Baseline isn't going to tell you that your coils are fried or you have a unmetered air leak. A human tuner will (lets hope).
So what I am doing is trying to unburden you, me and the DIY type consumer with the mathmatical learning curve (that you would have to do EVERY tme you change your motor) in order to allow us to get a statistaclly good tune (think +-3% of optimal). At the same time I would unburden folks like Jeff of a lot of repetition. If he could control theEXACT format he got allof his information then he could get out calibrations a hell of a lot faster.
Baseline can run an infinite number of engines per software copy. So a pro-tuner or shop can use it to track, save and modify tunes and then taking the Baseline tune and combined with their exp and observations of your car - fine tune it. And they can save that history for each engine they play with.
Last edited by Kane; 10-22-2008 at 01:16 PM.
10-22-2008, 01:33 PM
#17
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I was just having that convo last night Magic.
One of the hardest parts about doing this kind of work is the fear / resistance to change due to percieved "taking over" of roles by computers. Think auto plants; etc. I have been through that a lot as I was doing my old companies web transition in the late 90's. Lot's of call center folks were pretty pissed about a website taking their jobs (which never actually happened, even though my web appliction now makes up 60+% of all revenue for that company; the call center folks just have more free time to really help out their clients - great customer service FTW).
I bring it up for two reasons; one - the cost of doing business almost always goes down for the consumer and the business when you utilize technology to do what is a repetitive and time consuming process (like 10,000,000 physics equations). BUT a software cannot think outside the box; so Baseline isn't going to tell you that your coils are fried or you have a unmetered air leak. A human tuner will (lets hope).
So what I am doing is trying to unburden you, me and the DIY type consumer with the mathmatical learning curve (that you would have to do EVERY tme you change your motor) in order to allow us to get a statistaclly good tune (think +-3% of optimal). At the same time I would unburden folks like Jeff of a lot of repetition. If he could control theEXACT format he got allof his information then he could get out calibrations a hell of a lot faster.
Baseline can run an infinite number of engines per software copy. So a pro-tuner or shop can use it to track, save and modify tunes and then taking the Baseline tune and combined with their exp and observations of your car - fine tune it. And they can save that history for each engine they play with.
One of the hardest parts about doing this kind of work is the fear / resistance to change due to percieved "taking over" of roles by computers. Think auto plants; etc. I have been through that a lot as I was doing my old companies web transition in the late 90's. Lot's of call center folks were pretty pissed about a website taking their jobs (which never actually happened, even though my web appliction now makes up 60+% of all revenue for that company; the call center folks just have more free time to really help out their clients - great customer service FTW).
I bring it up for two reasons; one - the cost of doing business almost always goes down for the consumer and the business when you utilize technology to do what is a repetitive and time consuming process (like 10,000,000 physics equations). BUT a software cannot think outside the box; so Baseline isn't going to tell you that your coils are fried or you have a unmetered air leak. A human tuner will (lets hope).
So what I am doing is trying to unburden you, me and the DIY type consumer with the mathmatical learning curve (that you would have to do EVERY tme you change your motor) in order to allow us to get a statistaclly good tune (think +-3% of optimal). At the same time I would unburden folks like Jeff of a lot of repetition. If he could control theEXACT format he got allof his information then he could get out calibrations a hell of a lot faster.
Baseline can run an infinite number of engines per software copy. So a pro-tuner or shop can use it to track, save and modify tunes and then taking the Baseline tune and combined with their exp and observations of your car - fine tune it. And they can save that history for each engine they play with.
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10-22-2008, 02:13 PM
#18
ok wow after looking at I have no business with tuning yet again. Might as well be in arabic. logging interval MS=huh
, Accel gamma-isn't that like the hulk juice or something. I'm sure it's easier than it looks
, Accel gamma-isn't that like the hulk juice or something. I'm sure it's easier than it looks
10-22-2008, 03:15 PM
#19
Like logging Interval is just how often your car logs data during a run - like a timestamp.
Accel Gamma is just the percent of fuel to add when you mash the throttle - 1.2 means 120% of the base fueling.
So it isn't hard; just learning the lingo.
Last edited by Kane; 10-22-2008 at 03:17 PM.
10-30-2008, 08:33 AM
#21
It seems that a lot of people with after market intakes are having a bit of trouble tunning with the COBB AP. Seems most aftermarket intakes screw with the flow around the MAF will this system be able to properly correct and tune with these issues?
