dmp

..or an LS7 conversion...

JB_Rotary

Keep in mind this is my personal opinion based on reading this forum day in and day out for a year. This engine doesn't respond as well to mods as other cars simply becasue the engine is already finely tuned by Mazda. Perepherial(spelling) ports removed in favor of side ports reducing overlap to less than a percent, enlarged intake with variable port timing(6 port model) and I am sure that alot of the high rev tuning is a direct decendant of the 787B(which also had a 9000 rev limit but had perephiral(again spelling) ports). All of these things add up to an extremly balanced and refined motor. Our motor isn't the only one like this either. The S2000 doens't gain much from bolt ons either(again another highly engineered refined motor). The only way to get any more power is to "re-engineer" the motor. Porting, turbo, supercharger is the only way to get considerable (>250whp) more HP.

Edit: The only reasons our cars are at the back of the pack is becasue mazda made the mistake of making our cars heavy. Destroying the point of a rotary motor.

Red Devil

For what the RX-8 is, it is actually light compared to its competitors.

silverwolf

Saturn, i think i struck with you. Listen man, we are all into 8's ok. We love them. Dont get mad when someone askes these questions. Everyone wants to know, simple fact. We all want from our 8. Rotory engines are light powerful (1.3 L proves it) and highly modifiable (rx7) we jsut need to give it time. chill man. i know its hard to deal with but were on here and every post is passionate stride to help others come to love the 8 as much as we do. This post has already shown answers to the question about power and it has been touching on how we can really make power and what does work. We have now even told people that we can tune our 8's to 210hp by not tuning for emmisions. NOW IF THAT IS NOT VALUABLE INFORMATION I DONT KNOW WHAT IS!!! I know that many people (whow dont care about emmisions) will now go out and tune for it. its the thought of that tuning set up that will get people to do it. Probably didnt think about it. many go conservative. but i do appreciate your passion and enthusiasm (no sarccasm ts really a good thing)

Skythe

**** a search, summbish needs to learn how to click. Sometimes searching can be a waste of time when one can easily click around in threads that are specific to topics of which one may have a particular interest e.g Major HorsePower Upgrades. But maybe that is a search?

I'm sorry....yea, he does need to learn how to search.

silverwolf

Man i dont know how many times i said this. I DID SEARCH. my intent is to have pooled information. ALL INFO IN ONE SPOT. but thanks for the concern. kinda like how no one yels at someone making a post to tell all about intakes. they liked him cuz he put all the info in one spot. so now we have one post to explain why rx8 cant make hp upgrades like other cars. we have the answer and opinions here. instead of 150 other posts.

Trekk

Most cars respond just as sucky to bolt on mods as the Rx8.
Just with RB and alot of people willing to put the car on a dyno and test it you see the facts.
Not vendor facts (22Hp from a cat-back???), real facts.

Its a sports car (sort of), your not gonna really find any corks in it like you would find in an gas friendly econmy car.


BTW my 89 mustang was rated at 225hp I think. It did like 191 (years ago) on a dyno stock.
8 pistons huge motor did what my Rx8 does just w/o all the TQ.

saturn

I give up. You're clearly not reading my posts or even your own.

I hereby pwn j00!

Bart!

Whatchu talking about foo? My car has power, yours must be defective. Take the turbo off an evo and see what happens. OZ Rally.. yay. If you were looking for power you should have taken your money elsewhere, you won't be seeing it here. That's YOUR fault.

dmp

The problem is - you're not putting any effort into these questions; they've been answered dozens of times. Put more effort teaching yourself.

Skythe

What your speaking of is the primary reason why this forum and others like it exist, to compile and centralize information. It's ironic that this would be your purpose when your efforts are contradictory (sp) to your intent. What I mean is that while, yes, it has been stated that much of this information has been discussed before in other threads, but in your attempt to centralize the info (you and others like you who are well intentioned) are in fact decentralizing the information by creating threads of which the information has already been discussed before, which is why most these people, like yourself, get bashed and chastised and flamed.

What I would suggest is that you spend time clicking through sub-forums and threads as opposed to using the search function, sometimes its far more useful. After finding a few threads or many threads that contain the information that you seek, compile it and then post it in a singular thread that contains all of your findings. Someone has done this with a Horsepower Vs. Torque thread. It was a great read, very informative, and much appreciated. It helped clear up the cobwebs in some people's noobish ways of thinking.

Also, when your searching, don't limit yourself to searching for specifically what you're looking for. Look for information that may comprise an answer. For instance on this issue, look through the threads about intakes, exhaust mods, and tuning mods and these threads will lead you to the answers you seek.

Moonrover333

ok welp hearing about how he should've searched is getting old and how it was a dumb question get over it. its been asked now we have a chance to A: Explain why this engine doesn't make significant power ( many post already explain ) B: Argue that our car make sufficient power C: Come up with parts and ideas that have or would make power.

i chose C

The turbo XS exhaust has proven its weight with a dyno proven 20whp, but all we ever heard was "ewww tips are ugly boohoo" well my reply to that is look at RE amemya's dolphin tail zaust, ungodly ugly but it makes power on the fd so i would rock it personally.

also didn't guitar junkie street/ or 1/3 bridge port someones car and gain 3% w/o tuning?

i say until more waranties run out and more people do testing you won't see much also a full stand alone would help alot

dmp

Well said. It's SOOOOOOOOOO much better for a newb to say:

"This is what I've learned by reading the forums..." than "Tell me what I want to know - in THIS thread!"

Put EFFORT into your education - that's what regular members ask. People get here and 'demand' easy answers to hard questions. It's this immediate gratification society, in part.

WORK towards understanding how HP and mods work with the RX8...always remember, especially whilst a newb, most anything you THINK of doing to create power has already been tried TWICE.

Moostafa29

Its not the turbo.

To answer the topic, how many other cars with a 1.3l engine do you know that make roughly 215hp? Yeah it isn't much, but you have to admit they did a great job considering the size of the engine.

Raptor2k

Because Mazda doesn't care about horsepower, just like Bush doesn't care about black people.

The former is true though

Moostafa29

LOL, ok Kanye.

nycgps

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but 3 rotor still ownZ !

Skiptomylue

ok, ive heard a couple ppl have been able to run low 14s with Flywheel, revi intake with ramair duct and exhaust?
alsom in the near future, Rb is planning on releasing headers and, i do believe, intake manifold? could also help with power, Also, the only engines that show great gains from I/h/e is pretty much the Ls Series engines, Honda engines and what not, dont see many gains from the intake headers exhaust setup

Brettus

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Everybody seems odssessed with HP numbers on this forum . I care more about what the car feels like to drive. To me it feels fast .
Various members have done all the bolt on mods available & posted their impressions here.
They may not get a lot of peak HP but they have reported that the car feels sooo much quicker . I would really like to see more comparative tests IE 80-120km/hr in gear , 0-100km/hr etc . Few are doing any of these tests (although many say they will) .

MazdaManiac

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rotarygod

Answer the original question or don't. Don't bicker about whether you think he searched or not.

MazdaManiac

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The question was loaded. Its like asking "So, when did you stop beating your wife?".

If the car didn't make horsepower, it would stand still. A squirrel makes horsepower.
A question like that needs a defined range and an outline of acceptable premises for the conclusion.

I think that is why he should be clensed in the waters of lake Minnitonka - not for being search-impared.

I should start a thread - "Why can't the RX-8 get lunch?"
Is it 'cause it can't pay or is it just too hot out? Maybe it ran out of gas. Maybe a flat tire or an inability to read the menu?
The answers would be startlingly similar to the appropriate answers in this thread.

JeRKy 8 Owner

A nearly maxed out 1.3 liter N/A rotary engine producing less than 180whp and barely any torque + over 3000lb curb weight = why the RX-8 can't make horsepower.

Speaking of which, I wonder how fast the MX-5 Miata would be if someone dropped the RENESIS in there...

lazi

this is a funny guy lol

Bart!

About 3 times as slow as a 13B from an FD with a giant T-78 turbo.