why cant the RX8 make horsepower?
07-18-2006, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by dmp
Up the CR to 11:1, Raise the Max RPMs to 11K, and properly fuel and spark and time it, and your renesis would see 230whp, I'd guess. 
Oh, and the whole scattershield thing wouldn't be bad, though. No one would ever ask for me to be the designated driver again cause they wouldn't get in the car.
07-18-2006, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Devil
In that configuration, how much of our already plentiful low end torque would we lose? I think the daily driveability would not be good.
Oh, and the whole scattershield thing wouldn't be bad, though. No one would ever ask for me to be the designated driver again cause they wouldn't get in the car.
Oh, and the whole scattershield thing wouldn't be bad, though. No one would ever ask for me to be the designated driver again cause they wouldn't get in the car.
twood probably have MORE torque. Not EVERY high-end gain requires an auotmatic redux in lower-end power. Why would a scattershield scare ya? It's MORE protection than we have currently
07-18-2006, 02:20 PM
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You feel torque, but you feel RPM's also.
If only engineers could come up with, like, some sort of engineering term that considered torque and RPM.
If only engineers could come up with, like, some sort of engineering term that considered torque and RPM.
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07-18-2006, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by dmp
twood probably have MORE torque. Not EVERY high-end gain requires an auotmatic redux in lower-end power. Why would a scattershield scare ya? It's MORE protection than we have currently
Scattershield doesn't scare me, but I'd rather know I don't need one. I was more saying I would use it to scare my passengers. Well I would be designated driver, but there is the scattershield issue...and I could never live with myself if something happened
07-18-2006, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by BaronVonBigmeat
You feel torque, but you feel RPM's also.
If only engineers could come up with, like, some sort of engineering term that considered torque and RPM.
If only engineers could come up with, like, some sort of engineering term that considered torque and RPM.
07-18-2006, 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by BaronVonBigmeat
You feel torque, but you feel RPM's also.
If only engineers could come up with, like, some sort of engineering term that considered torque and RPM.
If only engineers could come up with, like, some sort of engineering term that considered torque and RPM.
07-18-2006, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BaronVonBigmeat
You feel torque, but you feel RPM's also.
If only engineers could come up with, like, some sort of engineering term that considered torque and RPM.
If only engineers could come up with, like, some sort of engineering term that considered torque and RPM.
Originally Posted by Red Devil
monkeypower????
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Communism?
07-18-2006, 04:00 PM
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The issue with the 8 is that it's maxed out. If it was easy to get say 15-20 hp with bolt ons, people would be happy.
I think with this type of performance oriented car with the cool looks and so on, people in the market for it expect a degree of instant tunability. If it was a camry then I don't think people would mind.
Of course the rotary engine is the main issue. Perhaps Mazda shouldn't have put out the RX8 without already having solved a higher hp model ie Mazdaspeed like what GM has with the Sostice/Sky and GXP/Redline versions. We knew of the tuned versions before the na version hit the streets.
Instead what we have from Mazda is them fumbling around with retune after retune 3 years later. They haven't gotten it yet! Shouldn't they have had it from the beginning?
Don't get me wrong, they need to find the correct tune, but doesn't 3 years later and them still retuning make them look a little amateurish?
I think with this type of performance oriented car with the cool looks and so on, people in the market for it expect a degree of instant tunability. If it was a camry then I don't think people would mind.
Of course the rotary engine is the main issue. Perhaps Mazda shouldn't have put out the RX8 without already having solved a higher hp model ie Mazdaspeed like what GM has with the Sostice/Sky and GXP/Redline versions. We knew of the tuned versions before the na version hit the streets.
Instead what we have from Mazda is them fumbling around with retune after retune 3 years later. They haven't gotten it yet! Shouldn't they have had it from the beginning?
Don't get me wrong, they need to find the correct tune, but doesn't 3 years later and them still retuning make them look a little amateurish?
As far as NA is concerned, I can see 220rwhp. With a CAI, highflow, exhaust, pulleys, flywheel, and ecu tune, that could be very much possible (yes i know some of those "free up hp"). An extra 5-10whp on top of that would be awesome though!!!!!!!!!
07-18-2006, 04:19 PM
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again.. whats with the just of hp.. what about torque?? thats where the power comes from.. we dont lack in hp, our cars are putting about the same or more to wheels then 80 percent of the cars on the road are making at the engine.. its the torque we dont have.. say the exhuast, and tinake.. only frees up a total of 4 hp.. what about the torque.. i never hear anyone mention torque... what if it frees up a total of 10 lb ft of torque..? thats where the extra Power comes from... thats why i want the headers... better flowing air = more torque..?
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07-18-2006, 05:01 PM
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A) If you boost torque at 3,000 RPM, you have boosted HP.
B) If you boost torque at 7,000 RPM, you have boosted HP.
C) If you raise the RPM limit and keep torque steady, you have boosted HP.
For some reason though, case A leads people to say "Oh yeah man, those headers sure gave me some torque". For case B people will say "That Interceptor-X sure gave me some nice power!". But either one makes you go faster.
Anyway, enough of that. Gentlemen, I appreciate your contributions but I have decided to coin an entirely new word to represent this amalgamation of torque and RPM's. I shall call it, "Ramalamamambodogface" (or RLMDF). I'll go ahead and notify SAE and Mazda engineers so they can get started on boosting our cars' RLMDF.
B) If you boost torque at 7,000 RPM, you have boosted HP.
C) If you raise the RPM limit and keep torque steady, you have boosted HP.
For some reason though, case A leads people to say "Oh yeah man, those headers sure gave me some torque". For case B people will say "That Interceptor-X sure gave me some nice power!". But either one makes you go faster.
Anyway, enough of that. Gentlemen, I appreciate your contributions but I have decided to coin an entirely new word to represent this amalgamation of torque and RPM's. I shall call it, "Ramalamamambodogface" (or RLMDF). I'll go ahead and notify SAE and Mazda engineers so they can get started on boosting our cars' RLMDF.
07-18-2006, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Skiptomylue
again.. whats with the just of hp.. what about torque?? thats where the power comes from.. we dont lack in hp, our cars are putting about the same or more to wheels then 80 percent of the cars on the road are making at the engine.. its the torque we dont have.. say the exhuast, and tinake.. only frees up a total of 4 hp.. what about the torque.. i never hear anyone mention torque... what if it frees up a total of 10 lb ft of torque..? thats where the extra Power comes from... thats why i want the headers... better flowing air = more torque..
Second, please try to have a vague understanding of what this means before posting about torque again:
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you really gotta understand what you're talking about. Torque and horsepower are proportionally related to one another through engine rpms. Check out Wikipedia, Howstuffworks, or even some of the posts on this forum for more info.
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07-19-2006, 03:11 PM
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Originally Posted by saturn
First off, the word torque has got to be one of the most used words on this forum next to "twisties" and "Crossfire".
Second, please try to have a vague understanding of what this means before posting about torque again:
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you really gotta understand what you're talking about. Torque and horsepower are proportionally related to one another through engine rpms. Check out Wikipedia, Howstuffworks, or even some of the posts on this forum for more info.
Second, please try to have a vague understanding of what this means before posting about torque again:
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you really gotta understand what you're talking about. Torque and horsepower are proportionally related to one another through engine rpms. Check out Wikipedia, Howstuffworks, or even some of the posts on this forum for more info.
Second of all, the only reason i keep mentiong torque is becuase.. hmm.. NO-ONE HAS ANSWERED ME, i keep getting my posts and questions ignored, if your going to be ignorant enough to not bother with my questions, then im going to be ignorant enough to keep posting untill i get heard.
Third, i understand the torque is a factor of Horsepower, but its becuase EVERYONE is so worried about hp gains, when hp isnt just the main topic at hand.
a car can have a million Hp in it.. but if it only has 10lb ft of torque..... that car is NOT going to go anywhere, sure if the situation was reversed, and the car had a million lb ft of torque and no Hp, then it wouldnt do much either, but im saying HP isn't just the main important thing..
Forth, if i knew nothing about Torque or hp.. then throwing this
at me wouldnt do much good?
07-19-2006, 03:26 PM
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whoa. first he said he wasnt trying ot be a dick. but touche on the formula post. haha. so then if it cant be asked by you with it being answered ill do it
so ...umm... guys.... QUESTION....
any body know how to increase torque?
Mods or otherwise?
i suppose tuning but what else?
any mods out there?
any anything out there?
so ...umm... guys.... QUESTION....
any body know how to increase torque?
Mods or otherwise?
i suppose tuning but what else?
any mods out there?
any anything out there?
07-19-2006, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Skiptomylue
Well first, you dont got to be a dick.
Second of all, the only reason i keep mentiong torque is becuase.. hmm.. NO-ONE HAS ANSWERED ME, i keep getting my posts and questions ignored, if your going to be ignorant enough to not bother with my questions, then im going to be ignorant enough to keep posting untill i get heard.
Third, i understand the torque is a factor of Horsepower, but its becuase EVERYONE is so worried about hp gains, when hp isnt just the main topic at hand.
a car can have a million Hp in it.. but if it only has 10lb ft of torque..... that car is NOT going to go anywhere, sure if the situation was reversed, and the car had a million lb ft of torque and no Hp, then it wouldnt do much either, but im saying HP isn't just the main important thing..
Forth, if i knew nothing about Torque or hp.. then throwing this
at me wouldnt do much good?
Second of all, the only reason i keep mentiong torque is becuase.. hmm.. NO-ONE HAS ANSWERED ME, i keep getting my posts and questions ignored, if your going to be ignorant enough to not bother with my questions, then im going to be ignorant enough to keep posting untill i get heard.
Third, i understand the torque is a factor of Horsepower, but its becuase EVERYONE is so worried about hp gains, when hp isnt just the main topic at hand.
a car can have a million Hp in it.. but if it only has 10lb ft of torque..... that car is NOT going to go anywhere, sure if the situation was reversed, and the car had a million lb ft of torque and no Hp, then it wouldnt do much either, but im saying HP isn't just the main important thing..
Forth, if i knew nothing about Torque or hp.. then throwing this
at me wouldnt do much good?
Horsepower and torque, as far as you need to know, are basically the same thing. The reason you get confused is because manufacturers release max hp and max torque rather than telling you what the hp is at various rpms (i.e. - torque/horsepower curve).
Seriously, go to Google, Wikipedia, or Howstuffworks and search before you get all pissed off.
07-19-2006, 03:49 PM
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Originally Posted by saturn
So much anger in you. Listen, I answered your question. What you are saying makes no sense. For a car to have a million HP and 10 lb/ft or torque it would have to be revving at 525,200,000 rpms. Good luck with that one.
Horsepower and torque, as far as you need to know, are basically the same thing. The reason you get confused is because manufacturers release max hp and max torque rather than telling you what the hp is at various rpms (i.e. - torque/horsepower curve).
Seriously, go to Google, Wikipedia, or Howstuffworks and search before you get all pissed off.
Horsepower and torque, as far as you need to know, are basically the same thing. The reason you get confused is because manufacturers release max hp and max torque rather than telling you what the hp is at various rpms (i.e. - torque/horsepower curve).
Seriously, go to Google, Wikipedia, or Howstuffworks and search before you get all pissed off.
07-19-2006, 03:54 PM
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QFT and by that i mean quoted for truth just so no 1 is lost lol
07-19-2006, 04:47 PM
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please, please, please kill this WORTHLESS thread. Its getting too f*cking rediculous to believe.
btw: for anyone who thinks this forum is ruthless to people who ask dumb questions, I beg to differ. This place is like a bunch of noodle-arm choir boys compared to the other forums I frequent. Its embarassing. Both our car and our forum are the biggest p*ssies of thier respective domains. The internet is no place to expose yourself if you can't stand the heat that will result.
btw: for anyone who thinks this forum is ruthless to people who ask dumb questions, I beg to differ. This place is like a bunch of noodle-arm choir boys compared to the other forums I frequent. Its embarassing. Both our car and our forum are the biggest p*ssies of thier respective domains. The internet is no place to expose yourself if you can't stand the heat that will result.