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10-13-2008, 05:37 PM
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Hey out there:
How about an exhaust manifold I can bolt a bigger turbo on?
Anyone? Anyone?
I got the GReddy kit. I'm not fond of the turbo location, and I imagine you can't do much in that space for putting in a bigger turbo. I know MM has an upgrade kit, but I'd like see a manifold so we can put that turbo where we want, and use the one we want.
How about a header that turns up? Somebody needs to make it. The rest of the piping can be fabricated anywhere.
Anyone? Anyone?
I got the GReddy kit. I'm not fond of the turbo location, and I imagine you can't do much in that space for putting in a bigger turbo. I know MM has an upgrade kit, but I'd like see a manifold so we can put that turbo where we want, and use the one we want.
How about a header that turns up? Somebody needs to make it. The rest of the piping can be fabricated anywhere.
10-13-2008, 05:49 PM
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PHP, Greddy, Mazsport, and Esmeril all have turbo manifolds. I believe PHP and Esmeril are top mounted in the engine bay. Mazsport has top mounted and one for the same location has Greddy I believe.
I'm not sure of this so do a quick search.
I'm not sure of this so do a quick search.
10-13-2008, 06:21 PM
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Power!!
The main difference seems to be emissions legal, price, and appearance.
10-13-2008, 06:54 PM
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Agree'd, facts or anything too? Like I said, I just want to make sure It's not one of those things that "you get what you pay for"...Granted, RB was asked by Mazda to make the 20b for the Furai, and apparently people say RB makes Mazdaspeed parts...etc etc..That's great. But again, difference in terms of Fujita..RE Amemiya, etc. When all those Japanese companies have RX-8 battles and everything...do you ever see a RB RX 8 or RB RX 7 against them? I really don't want to hear the excuse "OMG they don't wanna fly to Japan" or "they don't have the money to"... If anything, it would be in their best interest to go to Japan and compete, because it's advertising, and racing in Japan is friggen HUGE. Again.. not bashing RB at all, but I just want to know what the deal is.
10-13-2008, 09:19 PM
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you never have to worry about the quality of a racing beat product, they make some of the finest quality aftermarket parts you'll find...I've been buying items for my rx7 from them for many years and now parts for my rx8. out of all the items I've purchased from them i never found a better product then what they provided and i never even have to do research when thinking about buying an item from them because you know its going to be top notch, especially there exhaust items....i digress
10-13-2008, 09:42 PM
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so if it gives 5hp on a car with a stock exhaust with a cat.....how much would it give with a aftermarket 3in exhuast with no cat?....any guesses
10-13-2008, 09:56 PM
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Agree'd, facts or anything too? Like I said, I just want to make sure It's not one of those things that "you get what you pay for"...Granted, RB was asked by Mazda to make the 20b for the Furai, and apparently people say RB makes Mazdaspeed parts...etc etc..That's great. But again, difference in terms of Fujita..RE Amemiya, etc. When all those Japanese companies have RX-8 battles and everything...do you ever see a RB RX 8 or RB RX 7 against them? I really don't want to hear the excuse "OMG they don't wanna fly to Japan" or "they don't have the money to"... If anything, it would be in their best interest to go to Japan and compete, because it's advertising, and racing in Japan is friggen HUGE. Again.. not bashing RB at all, but I just want to know what the deal is.
what you think they have something to prove to you? a little reading
YEAR PROJECT
1977 NHRA RX-3 – Drag racing project car – class record holder
1978 Bonneville RX-7 – 1st Generation RX-7, boosted class speed record from 167 to 184 MPH
1979-80 IMSA GTU RX-7 – GTU Overall Champion, 1st and 2nd in GTU class
1982 Developed single rotor engine for NASA
1983 IMSA GTO RX-7 – Winner 24 Hours of Daytona and Mosport races, GTO class
1984 IMSA GTP – Developed engines for BF Goodrich GTP car and Jim Russell Mazda Pro Series.
1985 Developed engines for Mickey Thompson off-road series. Developed 4-rotor engine.
1986 Bonneville RX-7 – 2nd Generation RX-7, boosted speed record from 210 to 238 MPH.
1987 Developed RX-7 convertible. Car & Driver cover story.
1990 Rotary Pickup truck for Hot Rod Magazine feature article. Introduced Miata product line.
1993 Bonneville RX-7 – 3rd generation RX-7 – while attempting record run, car overturns at approx. 220 MPH. Damage is only moderate, we will return!
1994 Racing Beat Miata sets Motor Trend Magazines all time slalom record – 73.6 MPH. Bonneville event rained out.
1995 Bonneville RX-7 – Back in Black RX-7 boosts land speed record to 241 MPH.
1996 Introduced RSR Exhaust and Suspension Spring product line for Japanese imports.
1998 Engineered 3-rotor, single turbo drag racing engine producing 700 HP @ 8700 RPM. - Developed performance products for 1999 Miata.
1999 Developed 3-rotor single turbo aviation engine producing 900 HP @ 6750 RPM. Racing Beat Miata sets all time Sport Compact Car Magazine skidpad record - (1.1g) and slalom record (70.6 MPH).
2000 Contributed to the research and development of the Mazda Performance Series (MPS) Protege MP3. Joint effort with Mazda North American and Racing Beat. Protege MP3 sets Sport Compact Car Magazine front-wheel drive slalom record - 68.4 MPH. Racing Beat was selected as the OEM supplier of performance mufflers for the MP3 project.
2002 Continuing the development of products for the 2001 Miata. Contributed to the development of two special project Miatas at the request of Mazda Corporation. Introduction of performance parts for the Protege product line.
Continued development on the 2003 & 2003.5 MazdaSpeed Protege with Mazda USA. Racing Beat was selected as the OEM supplier of performance mufflers for the Mazdaspeed Protege project.
2003-04 Undertook extensive development work on the RX-8. Assisted with Mazda North America Operations on several RX-8 pre-release projects.
2005 Introduced the REVi Intake and exhaust components for the RX-8. Initiated work on products for the Mazda3 and Mazda6 applications.
2006 Developed a ECU reflash program for the RX-8 application. Completed work on the Racing Beat aluminum side housings.
2007 Built a peripheral-port 20B 3-rotor engine for Mazda USA which was incorporated into the Furai concept race vehicle and later debuted at the Detroit Autoshow.
10-13-2008, 09:59 PM
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Denny estimates that it will be about 8-9whps,,, Once I recover from the hole in my pocket that the SC has put there I m gonna get one prob before the end of the year, Ill try to do a dyno run before and after install...
10-14-2008, 10:56 PM
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I didn't mean it like that. :/ And I wasn't trying to bash man... But thanks for the info. Good history lesson.
what you think they have something to prove to you? a little reading
YEAR PROJECT
1977 NHRA RX-3 – Drag racing project car – class record holder
1978 Bonneville RX-7 – 1st Generation RX-7, boosted class speed record from 167 to 184 MPH
1979-80 IMSA GTU RX-7 – GTU Overall Champion, 1st and 2nd in GTU class
1982 Developed single rotor engine for NASA
1983 IMSA GTO RX-7 – Winner 24 Hours of Daytona and Mosport races, GTO class
1984 IMSA GTP – Developed engines for BF Goodrich GTP car and Jim Russell Mazda Pro Series.
1985 Developed engines for Mickey Thompson off-road series. Developed 4-rotor engine.
1986 Bonneville RX-7 – 2nd Generation RX-7, boosted speed record from 210 to 238 MPH.
1987 Developed RX-7 convertible. Car & Driver cover story.
1990 Rotary Pickup truck for Hot Rod Magazine feature article. Introduced Miata product line.
1993 Bonneville RX-7 – 3rd generation RX-7 – while attempting record run, car overturns at approx. 220 MPH. Damage is only moderate, we will return!
1994 Racing Beat Miata sets Motor Trend Magazines all time slalom record – 73.6 MPH. Bonneville event rained out.
1995 Bonneville RX-7 – Back in Black RX-7 boosts land speed record to 241 MPH.
1996 Introduced RSR Exhaust and Suspension Spring product line for Japanese imports.
1998 Engineered 3-rotor, single turbo drag racing engine producing 700 HP @ 8700 RPM. - Developed performance products for 1999 Miata.
1999 Developed 3-rotor single turbo aviation engine producing 900 HP @ 6750 RPM. Racing Beat Miata sets all time Sport Compact Car Magazine skidpad record - (1.1g) and slalom record (70.6 MPH).
2000 Contributed to the research and development of the Mazda Performance Series (MPS) Protege MP3. Joint effort with Mazda North American and Racing Beat. Protege MP3 sets Sport Compact Car Magazine front-wheel drive slalom record - 68.4 MPH. Racing Beat was selected as the OEM supplier of performance mufflers for the MP3 project.
2002 Continuing the development of products for the 2001 Miata. Contributed to the development of two special project Miatas at the request of Mazda Corporation. Introduction of performance parts for the Protege product line.
Continued development on the 2003 & 2003.5 MazdaSpeed Protege with Mazda USA. Racing Beat was selected as the OEM supplier of performance mufflers for the Mazdaspeed Protege project.
2003-04 Undertook extensive development work on the RX-8. Assisted with Mazda North America Operations on several RX-8 pre-release projects.
2005 Introduced the REVi Intake and exhaust components for the RX-8. Initiated work on products for the Mazda3 and Mazda6 applications.
2006 Developed a ECU reflash program for the RX-8 application. Completed work on the Racing Beat aluminum side housings.
2007 Built a peripheral-port 20B 3-rotor engine for Mazda USA which was incorporated into the Furai concept race vehicle and later debuted at the Detroit Autoshow.
YEAR PROJECT
1977 NHRA RX-3 – Drag racing project car – class record holder
1978 Bonneville RX-7 – 1st Generation RX-7, boosted class speed record from 167 to 184 MPH
1979-80 IMSA GTU RX-7 – GTU Overall Champion, 1st and 2nd in GTU class
1982 Developed single rotor engine for NASA
1983 IMSA GTO RX-7 – Winner 24 Hours of Daytona and Mosport races, GTO class
1984 IMSA GTP – Developed engines for BF Goodrich GTP car and Jim Russell Mazda Pro Series.
1985 Developed engines for Mickey Thompson off-road series. Developed 4-rotor engine.
1986 Bonneville RX-7 – 2nd Generation RX-7, boosted speed record from 210 to 238 MPH.
1987 Developed RX-7 convertible. Car & Driver cover story.
1990 Rotary Pickup truck for Hot Rod Magazine feature article. Introduced Miata product line.
1993 Bonneville RX-7 – 3rd generation RX-7 – while attempting record run, car overturns at approx. 220 MPH. Damage is only moderate, we will return!
1994 Racing Beat Miata sets Motor Trend Magazines all time slalom record – 73.6 MPH. Bonneville event rained out.
1995 Bonneville RX-7 – Back in Black RX-7 boosts land speed record to 241 MPH.
1996 Introduced RSR Exhaust and Suspension Spring product line for Japanese imports.
1998 Engineered 3-rotor, single turbo drag racing engine producing 700 HP @ 8700 RPM. - Developed performance products for 1999 Miata.
1999 Developed 3-rotor single turbo aviation engine producing 900 HP @ 6750 RPM. Racing Beat Miata sets all time Sport Compact Car Magazine skidpad record - (1.1g) and slalom record (70.6 MPH).
2000 Contributed to the research and development of the Mazda Performance Series (MPS) Protege MP3. Joint effort with Mazda North American and Racing Beat. Protege MP3 sets Sport Compact Car Magazine front-wheel drive slalom record - 68.4 MPH. Racing Beat was selected as the OEM supplier of performance mufflers for the MP3 project.
2002 Continuing the development of products for the 2001 Miata. Contributed to the development of two special project Miatas at the request of Mazda Corporation. Introduction of performance parts for the Protege product line.
Continued development on the 2003 & 2003.5 MazdaSpeed Protege with Mazda USA. Racing Beat was selected as the OEM supplier of performance mufflers for the Mazdaspeed Protege project.
2003-04 Undertook extensive development work on the RX-8. Assisted with Mazda North America Operations on several RX-8 pre-release projects.
2005 Introduced the REVi Intake and exhaust components for the RX-8. Initiated work on products for the Mazda3 and Mazda6 applications.
2006 Developed a ECU reflash program for the RX-8 application. Completed work on the Racing Beat aluminum side housings.
2007 Built a peripheral-port 20B 3-rotor engine for Mazda USA which was incorporated into the Furai concept race vehicle and later debuted at the Detroit Autoshow.
10-14-2008, 11:02 PM
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Power!!
Just check out their website and read their design and testing techniques. www.racingbeat.com
They had their own renesis on an engine dyno doing actual testing where others were just putting a cone filter on a stick for intakes and putting a fart can on a stick for an exhaust. They were one of the first shops to put out flywheel dyno numbers showing the Renesis actually made much less than the rated hp numbers.
They had their own renesis on an engine dyno doing actual testing where others were just putting a cone filter on a stick for intakes and putting a fart can on a stick for an exhaust. They were one of the first shops to put out flywheel dyno numbers showing the Renesis actually made much less than the rated hp numbers.
10-15-2008, 12:23 AM
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Hopefully you guys have some success with that. If so, i'll be installing mine once I rebuild my motor.
10-15-2008, 03:20 AM
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I guess I have slight fanboiism for RB, I trust them very much as their market is so small, they only have a few cars. Sure the japanese tuners may actually race their cars but when it comes down to the r+d as well as price vs outcome I tend to side with racing beat on the header option.
I guess the fact that one can directly email racing beat with any questions (methods of development, why this vs that, etc) and get a very timely response with clear answers instills trust.
10-15-2008, 10:54 AM
#247
once again- on a zero overlap engine --standard type headers will not show very much if any gains on a na car. the sound will be nice and RB quality is excellant--but dont expect much more than say-- an RB intake gives you. Taking the cat off will give you more. Still headers sound cool.
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