Pure oxygen instead of Nitrous
08-29-2007, 03:58 AM
#27
knightrider... since we are going down this road anyway
PPO2 is king. You can get 100% O2 to make the exact same power as NO2 if your shot was right... this is barring the other variables. SO it would work, it would literally be the same as driving around with a small bomb in your trunk... thus the warning. All things being equal, with the right o-rings, piping, container etc., you could run pure oxygen into an engine without any issues... but most if not all tuners do not normally deal with the hazards of pure oxygen in a "real world" sense. As an unlimited air and mixed gas diver, I do use pure oxygen all the time, and we can handle it safely (with tons of training). If I felt compelled to set up a pure O2 car, I could. But everything would have to be designed from scratch.
If you have access to a hyperbaric chamber (hospital's sometimes have them), go look at the setup of the oxygen and compare to a normal nitrous kit... I think you will start to see the dangers these guys you know are facing.
PPO2 is king. You can get 100% O2 to make the exact same power as NO2 if your shot was right... this is barring the other variables. SO it would work, it would literally be the same as driving around with a small bomb in your trunk... thus the warning. All things being equal, with the right o-rings, piping, container etc., you could run pure oxygen into an engine without any issues... but most if not all tuners do not normally deal with the hazards of pure oxygen in a "real world" sense. As an unlimited air and mixed gas diver, I do use pure oxygen all the time, and we can handle it safely (with tons of training). If I felt compelled to set up a pure O2 car, I could. But everything would have to be designed from scratch.
If you have access to a hyperbaric chamber (hospital's sometimes have them), go look at the setup of the oxygen and compare to a normal nitrous kit... I think you will start to see the dangers these guys you know are facing.
08-29-2007, 09:47 AM
#28
Originally Posted by U.S. Navy Diving Manual—Volume 2
Even with oxygen levels of 25 to 40 percent, there is
still a greater risk of fire than with compressed air. Materials that would not
normally burn in air may burn at these higher O2 levels. Normally combustible
materials require less energy to ignite and will burn faster. The energy required for
ignition can come from different sources, for example adiabatic compression or
particle impact/spark. Another concern is that if improper cleaning agents or
processes are used, the agents themselves can become fire or toxic hazards. It is
therefore important to adhere to MIL-STD-1330 to reduce the risk of damage or
loss of equipment and injury or death of personnel.
still a greater risk of fire than with compressed air. Materials that would not
normally burn in air may burn at these higher O2 levels. Normally combustible
materials require less energy to ignite and will burn faster. The energy required for
ignition can come from different sources, for example adiabatic compression or
particle impact/spark. Another concern is that if improper cleaning agents or
processes are used, the agents themselves can become fire or toxic hazards. It is
therefore important to adhere to MIL-STD-1330 to reduce the risk of damage or
loss of equipment and injury or death of personnel.
WARNING Mixing contaminated or non-oil free air with 100% oxygen can result in a
catastrophic fire and explosion.
catastrophic fire and explosion.
Last edited by Kane; 08-29-2007 at 09:50 AM.
09-04-2007, 12:52 AM
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Hi to all.I am inderesting to buy the ZEX kit but i have a question if you can help me out.In Cyprus Nitro is illegal and nobody will refill the bottle.So i heard a lot of local here refill the bottle with pure oxygen .So did pure oxygen have the same results as nitro and do i need any modifications for that.Thanks
09-04-2007, 10:13 AM
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I really enjoyed that reply Kane.. On a side note, if your 80 years old, need some edge to keep you alive, do you think you could from scratch manufacture a combination O2 injection kit with a bridge to the O2 kit used to keep this 80yr old man alive? Then you would be driving around in a life saving engine cooling bomb.
09-05-2007, 12:45 AM
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Instead of Physician-Assisted Suicide, would this be like "Mechanic-Assisted" suicide?
11-25-2007, 01:36 AM
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Well, injecting a gas mixture with a higher oxygen content (technically not air), would work in much the same way as nitrous... However, nitrous is a commodity and much easier to come by than some random mixture... Plus you have ready-made kits... Just stick with what works, and you will thank us when you still have all your fingers at the end of the day 
I'm not sure at what concentration of O2 the mixture would become chemically unstable either.
I'm not sure at what concentration of O2 the mixture would become chemically unstable either.
11-25-2007, 01:39 AM
#45
Anything above 37% PPO2 becomes a real PITA to deal with from a fire hazard / oxidation standpoint.
I guess you could go to a dive shop and get Nitrox - they can usually can mix it to like 33% I think....but I would imagine the weight would be high - think scuba jug in the trunk.....
I guess you could go to a dive shop and get Nitrox - they can usually can mix it to like 33% I think....but I would imagine the weight would be high - think scuba jug in the trunk.....
11-25-2007, 08:47 AM
#46
Could be - I don't know a bunch about Nitrous. That would def. be at the very upper limit of what is safe...
Also may be why a lot of places don't allow it?
At 42% you are twice as flammable as regular air. At 100% O2; one small spark or heated metal shaving........ and BOOM!
Also may be why a lot of places don't allow it?
At 42% you are twice as flammable as regular air. At 100% O2; one small spark or heated metal shaving........ and BOOM!
11-25-2007, 01:35 PM
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as stupid as I am, I won't inject pure oxygen into my car...........we did inject then into a closed chamber with a rat inside and that didn't turn out too well for the rat..................