Pure oxygen instead of Nitrous
08-28-2007, 03:31 AM
#1
knightrider
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: cyprus
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Pure oxygen instead of Nitrous
Hi to all.I am inderesting to buy the ZEX kit but i have a question if you can help me out.In Cyprus Nitro is illegal and nobody will refill the bottle.So i heard a lot of local here refill the bottle with pure oxygen .So did pure oxygen have the same results as nitro and do i need any modifications for that.Thanks
08-28-2007, 03:42 AM
#2
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
It will make a lot more power if you could do it right, but pure O2 is highly flammable / explosive. You cannot use normal Nitrous tuning as thee PPO2 is way higher. This is a serious safety issue. DO NOT TRY IT, PLEASE.
It will make a lot more power if you could do it right, but pure O2 is highly flammable / explosive. You cannot use normal Nitrous tuning as thee PPO2 is way higher. This is a serious safety issue. DO NOT TRY IT, PLEASE.
08-28-2007, 03:46 AM
#4
Asshole for hire
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Colfontaine, Belgium
Posts: 3,214
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes
on
3 Posts
HAHAHA i cant wait to see the responses to this.... theoretically it would be GREAT! but pure O2 is ridiculusly dangerous ****, especially around anything thats oily in the slightest...... BIG kaboom real fast in a hurry, kiss yer *** and yer car and anything around you buh buy at the very first tiny squirt of a leak anywhere
08-28-2007, 07:27 AM
#7
RotoRocks Powered
Oxygen is just plain dangerous.
The difference woth O2 with Nitrous Oxide (N2O) is that Nitrous breaks down and releases it's Oxygen only at the time of the ignition. Otherwise it will remain to be a stable nonflammable gas all the way into the chamber. Oxygen is a very volatile substance that will oxidize anything it comes in contact with from the moment you inject it into the intake. Potential for blowing your car real quick is tremendous. All it needs is to come in contact with anything flammable.
Have you ever seen a "DANGER!!! DO NOT USE OIL" on the O2 bottles?
08-28-2007, 12:41 PM
#8
No means yes
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Jersey City NJ
Posts: 1,507
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
If you're gonna use something to replace nitrous, you might want to research hydrogen. Not sure if anyone has applied it to the renesis yet...
Stuffing a bottle full of oxygen and hooking it up to a nitrous system is probably one of the easiest way to wind up in the darwin awards.
BTW, how can N2O be illegal? I don't get that.. It has alot of legitimate uses. If you're talking about boosting on the public roads, then that's illegal in the States too, but you're saying you couldn't get a bottle filled at all??
Stuffing a bottle full of oxygen and hooking it up to a nitrous system is probably one of the easiest way to wind up in the darwin awards.
BTW, how can N2O be illegal? I don't get that.. It has alot of legitimate uses. If you're talking about boosting on the public roads, then that's illegal in the States too, but you're saying you couldn't get a bottle filled at all??
08-28-2007, 02:33 PM
#9
the enemy in the mirror
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: billerica, ma
Posts: 440
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
the hydrogen rx-8 mazda builds uses the gaseous form
(as opposed to bmw's which uses liquid...)
so i guess they do it.
but maybe that's not what you mean?
(as opposed to bmw's which uses liquid...)
so i guess they do it.
but maybe that's not what you mean?
08-28-2007, 03:14 PM
#10
Registered
The problem with pure oxygen and hydrogen is that they burn too fast. It'll detonate or possibly preignite before you even know what happened. Nitrous contains more oxygen than air does but it's still only a few percent more which is nowhere near pure.
CO2 will shut your engine off. You need oxygen to breathe and so does your engine. If you breathe pure CO2, you'll die. So will your engine. The difference is that you could start it again after the CO2 was gone.
I suspect that if someone is injecting pure oxygen, they must be doing it in very small quantities and nowhere near the same amount as a nitrous shot. I'm not sure it would be an equal for nitrous but some form of gain may be possible. I'm personally not going to experiment with it but it should be possible to make work with at least some benefit.
My advice is to not worry about it. If you want more performance and can't use nitrous, I'd use good old forced induction. Laws have a way of putting the brakes on fun sometimes.
CO2 will shut your engine off. You need oxygen to breathe and so does your engine. If you breathe pure CO2, you'll die. So will your engine. The difference is that you could start it again after the CO2 was gone.
I suspect that if someone is injecting pure oxygen, they must be doing it in very small quantities and nowhere near the same amount as a nitrous shot. I'm not sure it would be an equal for nitrous but some form of gain may be possible. I'm personally not going to experiment with it but it should be possible to make work with at least some benefit.
My advice is to not worry about it. If you want more performance and can't use nitrous, I'd use good old forced induction. Laws have a way of putting the brakes on fun sometimes.
08-28-2007, 04:04 PM
#11
...is it over yet?
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Euclid,OH
Posts: 490
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Yeah, let us know how that works out for you!
08-28-2007, 04:10 PM
#12
Metatron
iTrader: (1)
Nitrous oxide = nitrogen + oxygen
Carbon dioxide = CARBON + oxygen
Carbon burns, nitrogen doesn't - I say we let him try - he might be on to a great new power adder!!!
Or, as Borat says, - "...........Not!"
S
Carbon dioxide = CARBON + oxygen
Carbon burns, nitrogen doesn't - I say we let him try - he might be on to a great new power adder!!!
Or, as Borat says, - "...........Not!"
S
08-28-2007, 05:00 PM
#14
No means yes
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Jersey City NJ
Posts: 1,507
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Let's see what CO2 injection does to your exhaust tips :-D
As for hydrogen.. I believe I read somewhere about hydrogen injection being used as a power adder / for emissions purposes. Not as a main fuel. Forget the details though...
Oh, and if you really want to inject something into the engine, you can also try oil, water, alky..
As for hydrogen.. I believe I read somewhere about hydrogen injection being used as a power adder / for emissions purposes. Not as a main fuel. Forget the details though...
Oh, and if you really want to inject something into the engine, you can also try oil, water, alky..
08-28-2007, 05:04 PM
#15
Like others said, Oxygen will burn too rapidly. It is way too volitale to use, not to mention transport. Liquid Oxygen needs to be kept in very strict temperature ranges.
Nitrous contains more oxygen molecules than air, which become avaliable for combustion when the nitrogen molecules break their bond of the oxygen molecules a the temperatures ob combustion. Then the nitrogen doesn't doesn't burn and acts as a buffer to combustion.
Pure oxygen will kill your motor and set your car on fire, most likely.
Nitrous contains more oxygen molecules than air, which become avaliable for combustion when the nitrogen molecules break their bond of the oxygen molecules a the temperatures ob combustion. Then the nitrogen doesn't doesn't burn and acts as a buffer to combustion.
Pure oxygen will kill your motor and set your car on fire, most likely.
08-28-2007, 10:39 PM
#22
Registered User
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Sydney, Australia
Posts: 37
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
have you ever used/seen those 'cold sprays' they use on sports injuries sometimes? (or felt how it gets cold when you spray a spraycan?)
it sprays CO2 or nitrous out onto an intercooler, it cools the intercooler down, like a water sprayer but more efficient. If purely for cooling, the CO2 is cheaper and just as good, but nitrous has the benefit that you usually get a bit sucked up into the intake for a minor power boost (provided your tune can cope with a bit of leaning out)
it sprays CO2 or nitrous out onto an intercooler, it cools the intercooler down, like a water sprayer but more efficient. If purely for cooling, the CO2 is cheaper and just as good, but nitrous has the benefit that you usually get a bit sucked up into the intake for a minor power boost (provided your tune can cope with a bit of leaning out)
08-28-2007, 10:47 PM
#23
No means yes
iTrader: (1)
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Jersey City NJ
Posts: 1,507
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Gotcha. I was thinking this might be good on turbo'ed car where the IC blocks cold air from reaching the radiator... Have a little bottle of CO2 that slowly vents into the space in between IC and rad to lower the temps there (rad fans then pull cold air through rad). This could work as a track day solution for cars that have problems with overheating...
08-29-2007, 02:29 AM
#25
knightrider
Thread Starter
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: cyprus
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
N2O is illegal here in cyprus.The only time they allow to refill the bottles is when there is an official Drag race and you must have prove that you actually race to be able to refill the bottle.I mean is ok to buy the kit but without be able to refill the bottle is useless.As i said a few locals here refill it with oxygen but i dont know if they use the same amount of spray like nitro.They actually say that the results are about the same as nitro.I will ask them and keep you inform how they do it.