Nopstnz

Just received mine. Only took a day and a half too by ground! Thanks Scott! What do you cut the coolant hose with, thats the only thing I am a little worried about doing but I am ready to do it.

mysql101

I used a lexan (plastic) cutting scissors, with a curved edge. Any normal scissors would also work. It's just a rubber tube, don't sweat it. Make sure to trim back the outside rubber protector around the hose, as the supplied clamps are too small to go around both. In the example photos on mazsport's website, I think they removed it completely. I wanted to retain as much of that as possible.

SC-ed

Theoretically thats true. But "... OR factory ECU" situation will never happen b/c the mod has took the control of the fans already a few degrees earlier. Which makes me think the ECU does nothing regarding on/off fans anymore. Of course if the ECT sensor fails then the ECU will turn the fans full speed. That's the only real ECU fan control I can see.
There is a third cooling fan relay which is not replaced by the Scott's mod. The ECU have full control over it, but from the service manual I can't understand what is it for. Works in parallel with relay #2 and it is a different type. That might be the ECU control portion of the fans, half/full speed or something?

dsmdriver

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Oh man, with $1 in parts I could make a device that uses the STOCK temperature sensor and turns on the fans just like this does.

There's already a sensor in the car. Adding one is silly. Just use a system that reads the stock sensor and turns on the fans earlier.

Maybe I'll throw together a DIY. You could even make the turn-on temp adjustable.

I'm trying to figure out what they think they are hiding by blurring the numbers on the relays in their pictures. And Patent Pending?

rkostolni

The ECU turns on the fans when the AC is on. I believe the ecu is also in control of turning both fans on high if the temp gets high enough.

dsmdriver

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Even better- the patent number they have is 8 digits long but patents are only 7 digits. How do you get a patent number while it's pending? Is that not a patent number they have on the picture? What are they trying to say?

Also from the USPTO:

1. What do the terms “patent pending” and “patent applied for” mean?

A. They are used by a manufacturer or seller of an article to inform the public that an application for patent on that article is on file in the United States Patent and Trademark Office. The law imposes a fine on those who use these terms falsely to deceive the public.

dsmdriver

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I spoke with Scott @ Mazsport via a PM and he claims that everything they make has a patent pending on it. I personally think that's a total abuse of the system, but I'll take his word that he does have a patent application sent out.

I'm waiting anxiously for the next 18 months to pass so that I can see what he thought was patentable about a thermal switch controling a fan. If that goes through I'm going to angle for a patent on a machine that transports people by rolling on 4 round cylinders and is powered by an energy source.

He also says the relays are OEM's, so you're just re-buying the relays that are in your car. Don't know why he thinks that deserves a blur-out.

olddragger

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what is the purpose of this if you dont install a lower degree thermostat?
Anyone KNOW where we can get a lower degree thermostat?
olddragger

TeamRX8

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would you please STFU

chr1s

kthxgg.

Electric Fan Relay Kit 185F on, 170F off. 60 bucks.



note: picture not necessarily representative of the actual product. thats what summit says anyway. :-P

rkostolni

Damn guys. The aftermarket support for the rx8 is already small enough. Mazsport is one of the few companies that's actually delivering new products and not just promising them. I don't know what you hope to accomplish by getting on the forums and bashing them, other than even less support. This is a solid product which truly drops coolant temps significantly. If you think you can make it for cheaper, then go do it, but not everyone can or cares to. You're not paying for the parts, but rather the design, the parts research, and the plug-n-play implementation.

woodysjh

I think the reason we see some bashing on this product is because some of us from time to time have put in hours of contributing suggestion and DIY's to this site. You don't see us doing a 'patent pending' or blurring out the pictures we provide for these mods, or charge $150.

Just thinking that a site like this is meant to learn and contribute, not so much to make a profit.

If there was a DIY for this and the parts listed, then it would go over well.

I do understand that this company does exist because they make money, it is just too bad somebody that wasn't trying to make a profit figured this out.

rotarygod

Then please go do a DIY in the DIY section of the forum. That's what it's there for. This is not the thread to complain about it. I will delete this post within the next day or so but want it to stay up long enough for the complainers to realize that you guys ARE going to take it somewhere else.

This thread is for Mazsport as they are a paying vendor on this site. He;s an honest one too! Last time I checked, there wasn't a single dollar coming in from the DIY section and yet no one bitches about it. Maybe I should complain and do something about that.

rkostolni

There is a huge difference between an individual contributing to the community and a business. Obviously a business isn't gong to provide free products. Your right, no individual did "figure this out". At least no one took the initiative to do it and post about it.

I personally like companies frequenting the forums. It is how I and most other enthusiasts get the scoop on new products. Plus they contribute their expertise.

I've seen this forum drive away many companies over the past 2-3 years that have put their foot in the water. Vasts amount of rotary knowledge has been pissed away by doing just whats going on here.

chr1s

My entire problem is the price. This mod can be done by a "do-it-yourselfer" for not very much money. Painless wiring offers a kit that does basically the same thing for 60 bucks.

I would have no issue (and probably already purchased) this product had it not been 150 dollars. 60 dollars, 70 dollars, maybe even 100. But 150? That stinks of greed to me.

That being said, it's my right, and your right, to express opinions on this board and what I hope to accomplish is to give people alternatives to this product.

woodysjh

I agree we are probably hi-jacking this companies chance here to explain a product they have come up with for us. I do think this is a needed product and is great.

Is it not appropriate for us to speak our mind on a forum?

I was just trying to explain why some are reacting like they are. That is all.

chr1s

Why? because we're consumers who have every right to post our opinions about products? If those peoples products were solid, they'd still be on these boards and we'd be all buying up their wares.

edit: I'm not saying that scott's product is bad, I'm sure it's fantasic and he's a great guy.

Brettus

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Thought USA was the land of opportunity ! Scott has made something that is benificial - do it yourself & save a few pesos if you want to ,but if you don't, cough up the $ and get on with it .

Boris and Natasha

WOW ya pay 25k to 30k for a wonderful looking machine, an exotic engine and whine about a few dollars to keep it kool. go buy all ya expensive kits get awards. just tow ya junk to the meets. mebbe ya kiddies will get lucky. rofl lmao. now I make myself wonder why I even bother, burn it up bro go for it. FKN 20 yr olds lookin for luv.

Ban me plz zoom knowledge is useless here

woodysjh

Agreed.

Having the money is an easy one here, deciding if the product I spend it on is worth the price, this is what makes me lay it down.

rotarygod

OK guys listen up. You do have the right to do things and find alternatives. That's what the DIY section is for or do I need to just get rid of it completely? Please instead of hijacking a vendor's thread by telling people how to do it differently yourself, which hurts his product, take it where it belongs. Mazsport has a right to post his products here and doesn't need to have people undermining his product which is what is being done here. Keep in mind my freedoms allow me to go back and delete a number of posts which I am about to do. Take your comments to a DIY topic in the appropriate setcion.

chr1s

roger that RG. We'll take it elsewhere.

But shouldn't this thread be moved to his vendor area if it's really "his" thread?

woodysjh

Yeah you should probably delete this conversation, but isn't it the customers that support the vendors that makes it possible for them and this forum to exist?

Food for thought.

I spend lots of money on these vendors and will continue to.

rotarygod

Don't think I am against DIY'ers. I'm not. I am one. What I don't want to see is people offering alternatives to a vendor's product in a vendor's thread. I don't think that is too much to ask.

While Scott could post this in his section, not everyone looks at the individual vendor sections. More people that may benefit from it will see it here. The individual vendor forums typically are where people ask individual questions on a specific product that is offered.

rotarygod

It's not the supporters that are causing problems. It's people like you that these products and threads are for.