cracking the ecu....
My wife gets pissed off all the time cause she thinks I'm a know it all....
03-03-2007, 12:42 AM
#327
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
lol, sounds like it belongs to someone else, we were just conversing until this was posted 
didn't think the revelation of Ogden plans was appropriate so I just left it with a 
as an inside understanding, you probably took me the wrong way again is all I figure ...
didn't think the revelation of Ogden plans was appropriate so I just left it with a as an inside understanding, you probably took me the wrong way again is all I figure ...Why is everyone so cryptic all the time? I get so confused.
I must be getting old...
I don't want to take over the world - I just want to understand it intrinsically.
03-03-2007, 02:41 PM
#328
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
again, I don't care if any of you pursue it or not, I didn't understand why twinkietoes felt the need to respond to Trey with all that, he could drop all that from the response and just have kept the thread on topic he also edited some of the posts so you didn't see the original comments, whatevah ..
he also edited some of the posts so you didn't see the original comments, whatevah ..But again...thats a reading comprehension thing...haa haa
03-03-2007, 07:30 PM
#329
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Originally Posted by Trey@COBB
Q3? I certainly hope it doesn't take that long! It won't be next week, certainly, but we're making pretty good progress. The reflashing part is done. We've reflashed our in-house '05 RX-8 over 100 times already!
One thing we do need are more resources...and by that I mean talented programmers. We're hiring, so if you want to code or hack ECUs for a living, you should contact me.
http://www.cobbtuning.com/info/?id=3194
Cheers,
Trey @ COBB
One thing we do need are more resources...and by that I mean talented programmers. We're hiring, so if you want to code or hack ECUs for a living, you should contact me.
http://www.cobbtuning.com/info/?id=3194
Cheers,
Trey @ COBB
Originally Posted by TeamRX8
not to worry, you only come across as sounding dumb because his post in no way conflicts with or opposes the desire for anyone to reverse engineer the RX-8 PCM on their own.
However, Trey did post his message publicly. He could have done his recruiting through PM.
But if any of the talented programmers (many of which have stated that they are a little tight on money in this thread) are going to Cobb, you can count on them NOT posting here anymore.
The Cobb solution is an elegant solution (when it finally appears) but it is designed to be for one car only. The open source method would allow everyone to have access to the final code and thus anyone in your area of the country who had the necessary programmer would be able to help you out for free. How does a $0 tunning solution sound?
Anyway, Cobb stopped by for a reason. This forum is on to something...
-Mr. Wigggles
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03-03-2007, 11:59 PM
#331
just thought I'd let the clueless peas in a pod know that I took care of my own mess, however not only do such hapless potshots bounce off my thick hide, but Cobb had their solution long before this thread ever started. Cobb's present workload and opportunities has them in a real need for more talented people. You're not as informed as you portray yourselves to be ... and as stated previously, I'll be glad to provide you with a PCM, all you have to do is pony up for it.
If I didn't have such a great job I'd try to get on with Cobb myself, they have quite an impressive operation for their size, opportunities abound there for the right people.
If I didn't have such a great job I'd try to get on with Cobb myself, they have quite an impressive operation for their size, opportunities abound there for the right people.
03-04-2007, 01:22 PM
#333
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Originally Posted by TeamRX8
just thought I'd let the clueless peas in a pod know that I took care of my own mess, however not only do such hapless potshots bounce off my thick hide, but Cobb had their solution long before this thread ever started. ...
8-21-06: "We'll begin posting dyno results and MPG testing..."
Anyway, time passes on...
9-01-06: " Currently we are in the initial development and testing stages of the AccessPORT for the RX-8. We can use this thread to post updates about development, and so you can ask questions or give..."
9-05-06: "Absolutely, we're already at that point. We can currently control when the radiator fans operate, Closed Loop to Open Loop logic, the MOP, redline and other limiters, MAF (intake sensor) calibration,..."
9-20-06: " Thanks for the show of support everyone. Things are going well on our end, just working on completion of some hardware development for the production parts and of course continuing to improve the..."
9-05-06: "Absolutely, we're already at that point. We can currently control when the radiator fans operate, Closed Loop to Open Loop logic, the MOP, redline and other limiters, MAF (intake sensor) calibration,..."
9-20-06: " Thanks for the show of support everyone. Things are going well on our end, just working on completion of some hardware development for the production parts and of course continuing to improve the..."
11-07-06: "Yes, I can confirm we're on schedule for a 1st quarter 2007 release. A lot of the work has been done and tested. Once we get in some of the new Mazda specific hardware we need to make this..."
11-29-06: " Things are still moving along nicely. We're still without the communications cable which is what we'll need for a release, but development goes well. All focus right now is finalizing and releasing...
11-29-06: " Things are still moving along nicely. We're still without the communications cable which is what we'll need for a release, but development goes well. All focus right now is finalizing and releasing...
2-2-06: "Things are still progressing on this front. We've been flashing RX-8s for awhile now and learning quite a bit about them. Our own RX-8 has officially passed the 100 reflash mark actually.
And I think I've touched on this but I want to do so again... we're still not looking to have anything available until Spring/Summer timeframe. I understand being anxious, we are as well.
I've personally been overwhelmed recently with projects that I haven't had the time to troll the forums and post minute by minute updates. I apologize for that. I'll do my best to jump on here more. I just don't want anyone to think we're leading them on when we're still several months away from the ability to release anything.
Cheers,
Trey @ COBB"
And I think I've touched on this but I want to do so again... we're still not looking to have anything available until Spring/Summer timeframe. I understand being anxious, we are as well.
I've personally been overwhelmed recently with projects that I haven't had the time to troll the forums and post minute by minute updates. I apologize for that. I'll do my best to jump on here more. I just don't want anyone to think we're leading them on when we're still several months away from the ability to release anything.
Cheers,
Trey @ COBB"
Notice how the claims and capabilities go down hill as time goes by from "we'll have dyno results posted soon" to "we've reflashed a car 100 times." And the results from those 100 reflashes?
Seikx8 and others in this thread have the capability to reflash their cars. Figuring out what everything does in the flash is totally different.
I just want to see results. Posters at the Cobb forum have been asking for them for 9 months now. Trey, prove me wrong I would be delighted, seriously. Even if the product is not coming for a while, give us a snapshot of your current/previous or whenever results. Give us something* and I'd willing to call it a "solution".
-Mr. Wigggles
*Even if the results don't stick. We'll worry about LTFT latter.
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03-05-2007, 02:35 AM
#334
Preliminary results from me...I believe I discovered an issue IF the source is published...
First and least important to me...liability problems for Mazda...warranty...or insurance claims...for example, disabling certain sensors, preventing/incorrectly deploying airbags...disabling data logging for post-accident analysis...etc..etc..
Second...makes not just this car...but others that use the same PCM security mechanisms vulnerable to theft...The immobilizer anti-theft system is used all over...as an example...
Finally...from my understanding...legal liability...IF you managed to succeed, it could fall under the DCMA...and if you pissed off the wrong person and they wanted to sue the person whom reverse engineered their image...well I'm sure it would be pretty easy...
I am starting to see a bigger picture now...some of this stuff, most notably the security mechanisms...you definitely would NOT want out in the open at all...and the person who did release it could be held liable for a lot from lots of different people...
If its abstracted by COBB via their system, then at least my car is safer via "security thru obscurity"...and doesn’t appear so threatening to the market like a raw disassembled image...
That’s just lame...but now I see and understand...good of many vs. few...this project officially ends for me...
I wonder what COBB "really" needs help with...I wonder how or IF the community could help...
Such a shame...Cheers
First and least important to me...liability problems for Mazda...warranty...or insurance claims...for example, disabling certain sensors, preventing/incorrectly deploying airbags...disabling data logging for post-accident analysis...etc..etc..
Second...makes not just this car...but others that use the same PCM security mechanisms vulnerable to theft...The immobilizer anti-theft system is used all over...as an example...
Finally...from my understanding...legal liability...IF you managed to succeed, it could fall under the DCMA...and if you pissed off the wrong person and they wanted to sue the person whom reverse engineered their image...well I'm sure it would be pretty easy...
I am starting to see a bigger picture now...some of this stuff, most notably the security mechanisms...you definitely would NOT want out in the open at all...and the person who did release it could be held liable for a lot from lots of different people...
If its abstracted by COBB via their system, then at least my car is safer via "security thru obscurity"...and doesn’t appear so threatening to the market like a raw disassembled image...
That’s just lame...but now I see and understand...good of many vs. few...this project officially ends for me...
I wonder what COBB "really" needs help with...I wonder how or IF the community could help...
Such a shame...Cheers
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12-12-2007, 04:15 PM
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Whats happening here? its all gone quiet? would love to know progress..
I'm doing similar with my ford, and big thanks to seikx8 for the MMPService he created to allow MMP to run without internet connection.. I built a similar service but had to use "FMP" instead of "MMP" and make some small qweaks to the paths that were called.
I'm doing similar with my ford, and big thanks to seikx8 for the MMPService he created to allow MMP to run without internet connection.. I built a similar service but had to use "FMP" instead of "MMP" and make some small qweaks to the paths that were called.
12-16-2007, 11:02 AM
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Why on Earth every other car's ECU has been hacked, but the one in the RX8 still resists ?
Maybe because the people which should/can be doing it are busy bickering and shouting at each other ? And don't tell me about the 32bit or the encryption or the safety features or whatever else...
Same thing that happened with the RX7...
Maybe because the people which should/can be doing it are busy bickering and shouting at each other ? And don't tell me about the 32bit or the encryption or the safety features or whatever else...
Same thing that happened with the RX7...
12-16-2007, 02:33 PM
#339
Why on Earth every other car's ECU has been hacked, but the one in the RX8 still resists ?
Maybe because the people which should/can be doing it are busy bickering and shouting at each other ? And don't tell me about the 32bit or the encryption or the safety features or whatever else...
Same thing that happened with the RX7...
Maybe because the people which should/can be doing it are busy bickering and shouting at each other ? And don't tell me about the 32bit or the encryption or the safety features or whatever else...
Same thing that happened with the RX7...
please drive thru...would you like fries with that?
12-17-2007, 03:57 AM
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By "hacking" I mean the way you can do it to the VAG group, or the PSA group, or BMWs, or Alfa Romeos, heck even Porsches.
Maybe I should have clarified that I'm talking about the EU residents...
12-17-2007, 04:13 AM
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Anyway let's say that you get an RB tune for a US spec RX-8. What do you earn in terms of performance ? 6-7 HP? I guess the most.
06-07-2008, 02:59 AM
#342
is anyone still progressing this?
seikx8 did your flashing method end up working?
there is still a serious need for cracking the ecu. the access port is only a flasher not a tuning tool for all to use.
hymee's software is yet to be released.
we still need an affordable solution to tuning which flashing should be.
efidude was this solution but for some reason they didn't get a reaction and stopped development.
seikx8 did your flashing method end up working?
there is still a serious need for cracking the ecu. the access port is only a flasher not a tuning tool for all to use.
hymee's software is yet to be released.
we still need an affordable solution to tuning which flashing should be.
efidude was this solution but for some reason they didn't get a reaction and stopped development.
06-07-2008, 08:27 AM
#343
is anyone still progressing this?
seikx8 did your flashing method end up working?
there is still a serious need for cracking the ecu. the access port is only a flasher not a tuning tool for all to use.
hymee's software is yet to be released.
we still need an affordable solution to tuning which flashing should be.
efidude was this solution but for some reason they didn't get a reaction and stopped development.
seikx8 did your flashing method end up working?
there is still a serious need for cracking the ecu. the access port is only a flasher not a tuning tool for all to use.
hymee's software is yet to be released.
we still need an affordable solution to tuning which flashing should be.
efidude was this solution but for some reason they didn't get a reaction and stopped development.
06-07-2008, 06:18 PM
#344
has the AccessPort got tuning software yet for anyone other than tuning shops?
IMO the AP is a great product but it doesn't give anyone but shops a tuning device that this thread was all about.
the more options the rx8 community has the better IMO.
IMO the AP is a great product but it doesn't give anyone but shops a tuning device that this thread was all about.
the more options the rx8 community has the better IMO.
06-08-2008, 08:13 PM
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06-17-2008, 04:50 PM
#349
Is this title ok?
I just came back from vacation. By now, I'm sure there are many flasher out there and they have their own features. I do like hymee's solution however because it's affordable for DIYers. For a bit more money, a J2534 compatible device can be use with other Mazda/Ford compatible cars if someone want to provide the tunning service.
As for the map editor, I have the code and may release the source soon for those interested. But figuring out which map belong to which are still keep secret by many; so it is going to be a slow progress for me and I do have a spare ECU and plan to clone it to place on bench for testing. It's just that I don't have the time to do all these at the moment. And I do have most of the codes disassembled.
As for the map editor, I have the code and may release the source soon for those interested. But figuring out which map belong to which are still keep secret by many; so it is going to be a slow progress for me and I do have a spare ECU and plan to clone it to place on bench for testing. It's just that I don't have the time to do all these at the moment. And I do have most of the codes disassembled.
is anyone still progressing this?
seikx8 did your flashing method end up working?
there is still a serious need for cracking the ecu. the access port is only a flasher not a tuning tool for all to use.
hymee's software is yet to be released.
we still need an affordable solution to tuning which flashing should be.
efidude was this solution but for some reason they didn't get a reaction and stopped development.
seikx8 did your flashing method end up working?
there is still a serious need for cracking the ecu. the access port is only a flasher not a tuning tool for all to use.
hymee's software is yet to be released.
we still need an affordable solution to tuning which flashing should be.
efidude was this solution but for some reason they didn't get a reaction and stopped development.
06-18-2008, 02:12 AM
#350
I just came back from vacation. By now, I'm sure there are many flasher out there and they have their own features. I do like hymee's solution however because it's affordable for DIYers. For a bit more money, a J2534 compatible device can be use with other Mazda/Ford compatible cars if someone want to provide the tunning service.
what about winols? I have been told it can be utilized but isn't a solution by itself?
As for the map editor, I have the code and may release the source soon for those interested. But figuring out which map belong to which are still keep secret by many; so it is going to be a slow progress for me and I do have a spare ECU and plan to clone it to place on bench for testing. It's just that I don't have the time to do all these at the moment. And I do have most of the codes disassembled.