BHR new header and midpipe
11-03-2014, 07:45 AM
#201
You can't make this sh-t up ..... no, wait .....
Funny how all the 'header experts' have no comments about the obvious simple observations like pipe length relative to each port etc.
It's worth repeating only because I know that nobody here wants to hear anything contrary to some generic BS they read in a book or better yet on teh intrwebz ... use large primary piping (1-7/8" up) and into a straight 3" collector (note that the reducing/enlarging transitions on the early test model went away) with mating full 3" exhaust system. Do this and the actual primary piping length is irrelevant.
Testing this header against all the others that use too small primary piping and a reduced OE size collector doesn't really prove anything ...
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Funny how all the 'header experts' have no comments about the obvious simple observations like pipe length relative to each port etc.
It's worth repeating only because I know that nobody here wants to hear anything contrary to some generic BS they read in a book or better yet on teh intrwebz ... use large primary piping (1-7/8" up) and into a straight 3" collector (note that the reducing/enlarging transitions on the early test model went away) with mating full 3" exhaust system. Do this and the actual primary piping length is irrelevant.
Testing this header against all the others that use too small primary piping and a reduced OE size collector doesn't really prove anything ...
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Last edited by TeamRX8; 11-03-2014 at 07:50 AM.
11-03-2014, 12:27 PM
#202
If you're arguing over whether or not a long-tube design is better than a short-tube design, I get what you're saying in that you can't use this to prove that long tubes are superior.
But Charles isn't really trying to prove the theories one way or the other. Granted, he's chosen one, but the end goal is to make a product that's better than the ones that are currently out there on the market. Most (all) of which are short tube and use small primaries. I mean, as long as he makes a product that gains more hp, does it matter how it's accomplished? I thought the point of comparison was that his makes more POWA?
You guys can discuss the science behind how it makes more power till the cows come home. In the end, people are going to buy it based on its quality, brand recognition, and flat out HP gains. I mean, I want it so bad I can taste it, and I don't particularly care what package it comes in or how it does it, just as long as it does what it says it does.
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11-09-2014, 11:57 AM
#207
Well I mean my thinking is that a rear mounted turbo isn't nearly as slow as most people think. I remember reading a lot of articles on them and it's barely noticeable of a delay. But anyway, I mean the header is supposed to give what, 30 hp? That is 30 hp you can add onto whatever the turbo makes. Instead of the normal greddy cast header. So you would see that gain through all rpm ranges.
11-09-2014, 12:16 PM
#209
You gonna eat that?
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Yeah, just going by what I've read, they are optimistically hoping for 10 hp., maybe.
11-10-2014, 10:23 AM
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You gonna eat that?
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11-10-2014, 10:39 AM
#212
You gonna eat that?
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I think I saw where you posted on facebook a shorty header got 4-5, & you made one change to yours and gained that much.
So I assumed it was around 10 'real' hp, not wishful thinking.
I thought that was substantial given the limits of the Renesis and enough to make me consider one.
I do have your midpipe & ignition, and
I have recommended your products often, icymi.
So I assumed it was around 10 'real' hp, not wishful thinking.
I thought that was substantial given the limits of the Renesis and enough to make me consider one.
I do have your midpipe & ignition, and
I have recommended your products often, icymi.
11-10-2014, 07:15 PM
#215
rev it up
Ric Shaw has installed a few long tube headers on car he has worked on however, it is usually combined with other mods such as porting, etc so it is a bit hard to evaluate the gain from the header alone.
He also plans to produce these for sale in the future. The current installs have been one off custom made headers.
He also plans to produce these for sale in the future. The current installs have been one off custom made headers.
Last edited by skc; 11-10-2014 at 07:17 PM.
11-11-2014, 12:59 PM
#216
No, Brett, I would not. Perhaps if you would develop a product of your own and attempt to mass-produce it, you might understand what this industry all about and the things I must evaluate in the process. You would also understand why I am seemingly coy about the progress being made. Truthfully, I am tired of ***** like you criticizing things based on speculation so I figure I will release the header soon enough and you can criticize me all you want after that (not that I care much anymore).
I turn away engine builds every day, too, because my time is a limited resource.
BTW, my latest race build has been through 30 races in the past two years and I just spoke with the team manager who poled in the last raced, lapped 17 cars, and took 3rd with it.
As much trouble as this header has been for me to do properly and the **** I get on a daily basis from people like you, I have questioned every day whether I should or should not release it. The ONLY reason I am bothering to do so is because the documented power increases surprised even me and I am going to charge more for it than you can probably afford.
If you are insinuating that this whole endeavor of mine is simply profit-driven, then I eagerly await reading your criticisms of those products offered by other vendors which have not been demonstrated to actually offer any performance improvement.
I turn away engine builds every day, too, because my time is a limited resource.
BTW, my latest race build has been through 30 races in the past two years and I just spoke with the team manager who poled in the last raced, lapped 17 cars, and took 3rd with it.
As much trouble as this header has been for me to do properly and the **** I get on a daily basis from people like you, I have questioned every day whether I should or should not release it. The ONLY reason I am bothering to do so is because the documented power increases surprised even me and I am going to charge more for it than you can probably afford.
If you are insinuating that this whole endeavor of mine is simply profit-driven, then I eagerly await reading your criticisms of those products offered by other vendors which have not been demonstrated to actually offer any performance improvement.
11-11-2014, 06:16 PM
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Hey Charles, have you considered hiring a dedicated PR person? It might help with dealing with people. Allot of companies are hiring people to work from home doing that now (Apple, Paypal, etc...). I see why it might be good to have an owner presence, but it seems like it can be problematic sometimes 
11-11-2014, 06:22 PM
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Charles is his own PR person. I think a lot of us here would be disappointed to get some PR statement instead of his straight talk. The fact that he doesn't sugarcoat his statements is one of the things people like, even the people that disagree with him.
11-11-2014, 07:03 PM
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11-12-2014, 05:25 PM
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Pretty standard. I think alot you guys are quite blinded when it comes to things like this, and are in so desperate need for something new for our cars you'll fork out anything, without understanding things fully. I congratulate Charles for his marketing and PR work he does himself, because it's obviously worked on a lot of you.
11-12-2014, 05:36 PM
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It's interesting when something ... an idea, a project, a plan, a product ... works, there are always some who assume it works for a nerfarious reason.
I guess somehow the products will magically become unreliable, unsolid, unproven as soon as we "realize" that it was really just a PR game of Charles trying to get us to like his stuff. Leaves us with lots of good products on our hands that we will just 'have to deal with how well they work' after having been totally duped by his subtle plan to make money. What a disappointment.
/sarcasm
If a product works, it will get solid support in the community.
If a product doesn't work, is half assed, or the vendor is dishonest, the community hammers them really hard, really fast. There is an extensive history on rx8club of members being hugely intolerant of even minor difficulties with vendors. Charles is no different. If he started following the lead of those other guys, his reputation would be flushed down the toilet incredibly fast too. And he knows it.
I guess somehow the products will magically become unreliable, unsolid, unproven as soon as we "realize" that it was really just a PR game of Charles trying to get us to like his stuff. Leaves us with lots of good products on our hands that we will just 'have to deal with how well they work' after having been totally duped by his subtle plan to make money. What a disappointment.
/sarcasm
If a product works, it will get solid support in the community.
If a product doesn't work, is half assed, or the vendor is dishonest, the community hammers them really hard, really fast. There is an extensive history on rx8club of members being hugely intolerant of even minor difficulties with vendors. Charles is no different. If he started following the lead of those other guys, his reputation would be flushed down the toilet incredibly fast too. And he knows it.
11-12-2014, 06:10 PM
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I'm assuming the last post was due to my comment... in no way was I discrediting Charles' products or saying that his claims are bogus. He makes and sells good products and who wouldn't want more active members, vendors and parts for our cars.
What I am saying, is that many people don't understand what they are purchasing either - "A fool and his money are soon departed". In this case, for me at least, I guess it doesn't matter because "it's probably more than I can afford" anyway.
What I am saying, is that many people don't understand what they are purchasing either - "A fool and his money are soon departed". In this case, for me at least, I guess it doesn't matter because "it's probably more than I can afford" anyway.
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