23109VC

i like your car, and i'm looking for an 8.

but i live in so cal. a bit more than a 3-4 hour drive.

razorride

Shipping is less than $2K so you would still be under blue book value.

j67345

that, and nobody pays blue book for an 8 these days

mmats69

Couldn't have said it better. Trade value on mine was 15,200. I got 16,000 for it. The market is so flooded with 8's right now that you have to get dirty if you want it to sell.

razorride

Laz had an 04 didnt he??? and "mods dont add value" according to everyone here in the forum... I am not going below $18,750... I cant afford to... I have learned to NEVER buy a mazda again.. They are pieces of S*** when it comes to true value... I could buy a toyota corolla and get more for it than an RX8.... its sad that even the ENTHUSIASTS are tight about them... it sux... you are right though the market is flodded with them... and my trade in value on mine is $17,685... so im asking the same amount over trade in as you are

It is just rediculous... I need to run the thing off a mountain and just cut my losses in the insurance premium lol

CTrx8

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<-- my shocked face that no one is biting on the firm offer you have there in TN.

j67345

Enthusiasts or not, why would we spend more than we have to? Just because we're enthusiasts, we should overspend to buy?

Enjoy your Corolla

razorride

It's not overpaying according to KBB... its still underpaying... I am offering this car for a good deal... private party retail for excellent on this car is $20,210 and for good is $18,800.. not including the fact that it has mods that would cost the buyer over $3K to get even if they bought used.... So tell me again how $18,750 is overpaying??? I think the problem is that everyone is just being cheap and that the Mazda RX8 is actually a piece of junk and the ENTHUSIASTS even know it so they won't spend anything on it... go to other forums for other vehicles and people will pay full suggested retail for a car because they love it and know it is worth it... but here.. unless you are seling a 2007 with 5K miles on it for $13K you arent selling it... arguing with me on this point is useless... just look at the facts.. lazi's RX8 was gorgeous.. and that 8 shouldnt been able to sell for roughly $20K easily... but people don't find true value in a Mazda so they are crap for resale... The point being is that I learned my lesson.... It's bad when car lots tell you that they won't trade for a car.. they no there's no market for these cars because they don't sell for what they are worth... I feel sorry for anyone who buys one of these new... paying $30K for one and pulling it of the lot and not being able to get half of that in a year...

My car is in immaculate condition... it is priced more than fair... and if I had a Corolla I would enjoy it!!! I could sell it! Probably for book value because its a Toyota... i am not giving in on my car I will either do one of three things... say screw it and let the repo man ruin my credit and pick it up... sell it locally... or maybe someone will rear end the living crap out of it and make me one happy camper!!!

j67345

Hey, best of luck selling it...it's a nice looking car. the problem though is that everyone on the forum here knows that they can get one, usually substantially cheaper than KBB.

I'd throw it on autotrader and sites like that to get it in the eyes of the 'outside world'. Being a rotary, there is a smaller target of people that will be looking to buy it....plus, it's tougher to sell in the winter. Good luck with the sale though

razorride

thank you... I actually had a phone call from a local guy today wanting to look at it and test drive it and I told him $22,000 just to have plenty of wiggle room... he said that sounds about right so we shall see

23109VC

I live near San Diego, CA.

Sell it to me for $15k even and I'll fly out and drive it home.

razorride

I dont think so... there are people selling 04's with more miles bone stock for more than that... I am not desperate I will just hold on to it and let it rot in the garage

mmats69

You need to go to Edmunds.com or better yet, get you a black book so you can see the true market value of your car. KBB is crap and dealers will laugh you off the lot if you mention it. Call your bank to see if they have a black book. I'm sure they do b/c that is how they determine loan values on cars. Get them to tell you the value. Be prepared to be very disappointed.

fourdaystillfeb

wow you are a funny guy. Its like you are surprised to hear that a car is a depreciating asset. All cars eventually end up being worth zilch. your so far off the mark at 22k its rediculous. I bought my 2005 with 500 miles on it for 18,400. We have a Black 2008 GT for 28,999 availible on our showroom floor right now. So you think that your car depreciated 7,000 dollars since you bought it 42,000 miles ago???? Good luck

razorride

First off... this car new was over $30K.. it has every option except nav...

Second... I am not asking $22K for it... I WAS asking $18,750

Third... Black book is trade in value of the vehicle that dealerships use in order to assure they do not lose money... the Black Book value is a number of what the vehicle is bringing in in auctions across the board... THIS IS NOT AN AUCTION HOUSE... so why would I sell my vehicle for a wholesale cost??? People on this site are not dealers. You personally without a dealer card or without paying money cannot go to an auction and purchase a car.

Fourth... If you didn't like my price or wanted to knock value of any vehicle... READ THE FORUM RULES... I admit I am not the best with keeping up with all of them... but one I always abide by is not bashing others threads or trying to deface the value of the item being sold... I can understand you think you are giving ADVICE... but you aren't... you are knocking my thread into the ground.

My car WAS priced $790 over trade in value according to several different sites... whether you think KBB or NADA are crap... it doesn't matter that is the value the financial institutions use therefore it is absolute that the car could be financed for the amount if it were something you wanted.

Point being... ONCE AGAIN... If you don't like it or don't agree don't comment... I do not have to sell... I have my new car now and I love it... My RX8 can rot in my garage for all I care... RX8's are pieces of S*** as far as I am concerned now... just to see that even people who supposedly love these cars won't pay value for them... thats why the Black book sucks...

Oh well if you want to buy the car the price is back to the original because I don't care if it sells!!! If you are serious about it and want to make a fair offer great... EMAIL me... I will be ignoring this forum otherwise... mods can delete if they really deem it necessary

j67345

if your claim is true that RX8's are pieces of S***.....why do you expect someone to buy yours? As much as you don't want to, you're probably going to have to drop your price some more. Either that, or wait till spring when the prices hopefully bounce up a little bit on them (and...proclaiming that your car is a piece of S*** probably isn't the best sales technique...)

mmats69

Well, your first and second thoughts are ok so I can't say anything there.

Your third point couldn't be further from the truth. Have you even seen a black book? It has the retail value in it as well so you can check the dealer to see if they are asking the right price. It isn't some auction book as you call it. It's how most banks determine the loan value of a car.

Fourth...no one was knocking your price. They were telling you the truth about the value of your car and you got pissed like a little titty baby so we started and are going to continue treating you like one.

Yes, KBB is crap. No doubt about it. NADA is pretty close to black book so its better to use. Stop thinking you will get blue book cause it's not going to happen.

Point being...ONCE AGAIN...stop being a spoiled brat about it all. All you are doing is making yourself look like a jackass. All these people have done is try to help you get your car sold and you just get mad when they tell you that you won't get what you are asking.

Since your price is back to original, you will be keeping the car a LONG LONG time. Why would I dream of paying 22k when I could put 3k more with that and get me a new left over 07?

Since I got 16k for mine and I had the exact same car as you with less miles, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say 18k would be your best bet at a quick sale. At any rate, good luck with the sale.

dothackRAVE

RX-8s are pieces of ****? I don't think such comments are going to make people think you put enough love into the car to keep it rolling good.

razorride

I honestly don't care what people think about the way I treat my cars...

The RX8 is sitting in a garage fully detailed...all services are done on the car... and is still under factory warranty.

BUT... doubting me as a CAR enthusiast and my maintenence values isn't gonna change the fact that I now think these RX8's are pieces of S***!!! I used to love them, thinking that the handling capabilites on them are great and the rotary technology even with its setbacks/flaws is pretty impressive. BUT the fact still remains... they can't sell. WHY??? Because obviously they are "worthless" to people that even "love them." What does that say about a car? Honestly think about it and even if you read this and say to yourself " I was only trying to give advice, there was one that sold for $10K a week ago" These cars new sell on average between $24,500 for a base model to $37K for a fully loaded. In ONE year with even 10K miles they decrease in value over 40%... WHY is this??? It is because they arent truly worth it to the people who give in to sell them. You can argue all you want to!!!, I DON'T CARE!!! My point has been made and supported with facts. I think that the car as a whole is a fun car, but it is a piece of S*** because thats what they are selling for. Sounds stupid??? Maybe. But your opinions mean absolutely nothing to me. I don't have to sell and I probably won't.

One day will roll around where the new model 8's will come out, and since mine will not be moved except about once a month for a quick run to keep from complete lockup, that I will more than likely have one of the lowest miled 2005 RX8's on here ...Then people will act like they do with low miled RX7's. "That's a steal of a deal" or this or that.

As to the Black Book Value in which was stated that I " couldn't be further for the truth"... The black book is something used only by dealerships IN Tennessee... I don;t know if you live in some special state or what... but the Black book is Exactly as I described. It may have figures of what retail value of the car is but it is based off of what the deal sheets from just dealerships are getting. The main number in which YOU first spoke of is the auction number/ trade in value. $18,750 was still under black book value and NADA. Believe it or not, I still don't care. Here is one thing you can never understand, obviously. The point is not me losing or making money. The point is to open your eyes as to what is happening. The people who LOVE these cars won't pay what they are worth... like I said before... you can argue all you want to but the facts are there. Someone offering me $15K for my car is an insult. I don't care if that is all the money they have and they are trying to find a good deal. It is an insult to the car not me let me make that correction. And the truly sad point is that you ENTHUSIASTS, yes I am repeating myself, are letting this happen to your own beloved vehicles. The RX8 would be worth more if people, such as whoever is actually reading this, wouldnt cave in just to make a quick sale.... Take pride in the car you love so much and want to talk about everyday. If you don't who will? I am not trying to preach and I am coming off this way I am sure, but when every other car that has a forum is getting value for them and the mazdas are pulling in less than trade in value, there is something to be said about that. That is where I say the RX8 is a piece of S***.

You can barely give away a Mazda. For people saying they love their RX8's but then say that a dealership will only give you $12K for it so thats what you should ask don't truly love the cars!!! They are happy because they have a fun, sporty, good looking car for nothing. I believe I have spoke my piece!

mmats69

It's a good thing that you don't have to sell b/c at your price, trust me, you WONT. Different cars depreciate in different ways. First off, this is a car that only appeals to a select audience, which has very few people in it. Second, the 8 has gone down more b/c of the problems the 03 and 04 had. Not to mention the fact that if you look around, there are TONS of 8's out there for sale. Don't think that I couldn't get a car just like yours for around 18k. Probably less if I haggle just right.

As far as your black book comment goes you are now even further from the truth. If dealerships only in Tennessee use them, then why do I have one sitting next to my computer? Why does the Mazda, Ford, Dodge, Nissan, and Chevrolet dealerships (just to mention a few) here in Montgomery have one? Why does my bank here in Montgomery have one? I thought you said they are ONLY used in Tennessee. Last time I checked, Montgomery isn't near Knoxville.

You are showing more ignorance on your part each time you make a post. What kind of dumbass says his car is a piece of sh*t and then tries to sell it for an outrageous price on here? Plus, in your last post you said you weren't coming back here anymore. What happened to that?

j67345

cars are only worth what people will pay for them

razorride

Thank you I couldnt have said it any better myself... And people won't pay true value for the RX8!!!

MMATS... you my sir are either a horrible reader or you don't understand English.... I never said that they only use the Black Book in Tennessee... I said that only the dealerships in Tennessee use the Black Book to protect the value of the cars they are selling. That means that when you go to sell a car personally here in this area you pull up either KBB or NADA private party value and set your price. Yes you can get the Black Books all day long in all places across the country. I am 100% correct on what I said. I also said your state may be different and thats cool then too. My bank uses the average of KBB suggested retail and NADA sugested retail to get the dollar amount alotted for fianancing on the cars. Also to further prove my point. Look at what RX8's are selling for at Carmax. Carmax is a Nationwide company here in the US that operates on face value of the vehicle with no haggle service. The cheapest RX8 within 400 miles of me at Carmax is $14,999. It is a base model 2004 automatic. Cloth seats, the cheap wheels, whole nine yards.Oh and 62K miles. And you said my car wasnt gonna sell for what I was asking when I was asking $18,750??? Also I didn't say just my car was a piece of S***. I said all RX8's and Mazdas as far as that goes are pieces of S***, because they can't hold value. They have one of the worst resales of any make besides a kia, saturn, or hyundai. Trust me when I say the resale on those vehilces arent that far off, and they have not been on the US market as long as Mazda. I know every car has a different depreciation rate. I am not oblivious to what happens to the market. I have probably bought and sold more cars in the last 2 years than you have ever owned. (WHY?? because I like to drive different cars) So you are the ignorant one for not being able to just say, " You know what... I am not being constructive for this man's advertisement and I am wasting precious moments of my life. I should go fly a kite or build something."better yet... I have a great idea... Go into your kitchen, and wherever you keep your frying pans and pots or something heavy and made of strong material that you can swing real fast, grab one of those items. Then go to comfortable seating place inside your home because this isn't gonna feel any better standing up... ok now swing that object really fast at your head. I figured if you are gonna act retarded you might as well be... see two birds with one stone

In all seriousness though. I am sorry for you thinking that you are the one who must be right. I am also sorry that you think my car isn't worth what I am asking. To further all of that I am just plain sorry. BUT... I never asked you for your comments or help selling my car!!! You obviously are not buying a RX8 since you just got rid of yours. Do you even have a reason to be on the RX8club forum? Or are you just here to jump into everyones threads uninvited>?

mmats69

I'm gonna be the better person here and not retaliate on your childish "go hit yourself with a frying pan" comment. The last time I someone told me that I believe I was in high school.

We are not here to bash on you and give you a hard time. I personally like your car and would have offered you a trade plus cash on those rims cause they look really good on the car (if i still had mine). The opinions you are getting are from people who know the car and what it is going for. A simple comment was made that you may want to ease of your price a little bit and you took it personal. It never was my intention to argue with you about this at all. My advice would be for you to delete this thread and start another from scratch cause all these comments aren't going to help you. Let me know if you need any help getting rid of this thread and starting another. I'll keep my ear to the ground for you in case I hear of someone in the market.

razorride

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