FS: 2005 RX8 like-new - $20,000 USD - Seattle, WA
12-03-2007, 07:54 PM
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From the people at racingbeat.com, after asking them for information about this issue, this is the email that I received:
The truth is somewhere in between. Reving the engine to redline is unlikely to affect engine wear, and it heats up the engine more. As I stated above, if you take it for short rides, and don't let the engine warm up, then any carbon deposits won't have a chance to burn off.
The point is, it's not the rev to the redline that is necessary, it's the heat of the engine, which is most certainly helped by reving to the redline. However, simply reving the engine to the redline for a short trip to the corner market still likely won't heat up the engine enough to burn off these carbon deposits.
The truth is somewhere in between. Reving the engine to redline is unlikely to affect engine wear, and it heats up the engine more. As I stated above, if you take it for short rides, and don't let the engine warm up, then any carbon deposits won't have a chance to burn off.
The point is, it's not the rev to the redline that is necessary, it's the heat of the engine, which is most certainly helped by reving to the redline. However, simply reving the engine to the redline for a short trip to the corner market still likely won't heat up the engine enough to burn off these carbon deposits.
Pricing wise, IMO you probably won't get $20k as 2006's are selling for about that now. Probably ~$18k privately, hard to say though as these cars really depreciate badly the first two years but you also have very little mileage. 2008's will hit the lots soon so that will further drive the price down I'd think. Anyhow, good luck, the worst that you'll have to do is lower the price later.
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12-03-2007, 08:22 PM
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Once again your wrong. Why would someone buy your 8 for 20k when dealers are throwing out huge discounts for new ones? Ya where I live you can get a new 07 for around 20k. I want to see the person who will pay kbb for the car. I want to talk to them and see the title and cash switch hands. If I see this I will hand you 100 dollars. If you dont sell it you must hand me 20 bucks? Willing to take that bet? I dont think so....
That said however, bet taken. I will sell my car for Kelly Blue Book private party value. Do you want some kind of time limit, or shall it be indefinite? Notice, I said it would be a long time, so I'd not really take less than a year as the deadline.
No, I'm dead serious about taking your bet.
12-03-2007, 08:25 PM
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I believe the reason that people cite to specifically "redline" the car is the fact that the final two intake ports open at ~7250rpm on the 6 port renesis, so getting above that point for a few seconds throughly clears out/heats up the area surrounding all six intake ports. 04-05 Automatics don't have that last set of ports (they only have 4), so they wouldn't have to rev as high to have the same effect (~5750 for all 4 I believe). Jim is a very knowledgeable guy on the subject though, and I'd think the thought is that if you rev it up every now and then you ought to intentionally or not get above that point occasionally.
And again, it's not the "redlining" that is necessary, but rather it's just the easiest way to tell a naive person what they need to do.I'll certainly get my engine up to 7,500 RPMs on a regular basis now that I know that two of the ports don't open up until at least then.
12-03-2007, 10:46 PM
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ahhaha, is this thread becoming a discussion? when i read it, i forgot that someone is trying to sell a car.
i feel your pain about the financial, but can't you just refinance it to get lower interest? i think someone will buy an automatic because i don't think there are a lot of people want to buy an automatic for RX8, but who knows.
i think everybody knows this that it's better to loose little than alot. if you can get rid of the car for 16K-17K, you should sell it because the more you hold them, the lower the price will go. think about it, it hurts but in the short term.
good luck with the price, and make sure you put "4SALE" sign on teh window
i feel your pain about the financial, but can't you just refinance it to get lower interest? i think someone will buy an automatic because i don't think there are a lot of people want to buy an automatic for RX8, but who knows.
i think everybody knows this that it's better to loose little than alot. if you can get rid of the car for 16K-17K, you should sell it because the more you hold them, the lower the price will go. think about it, it hurts but in the short term.
good luck with the price, and make sure you put "4SALE" sign on teh window
12-04-2007, 01:49 AM
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ahhaha, is this thread becoming a discussion? when i read it, i forgot that someone is trying to sell a car.
i feel your pain about the financial, but can't you just refinance it to get lower interest? i think someone will buy an automatic because i don't think there are a lot of people want to buy an automatic for RX8, but who knows.
i think everybody knows this that it's better to loose little than alot. if you can get rid of the car for 16K-17K, you should sell it because the more you hold them, the lower the price will go. think about it, it hurts but in the short term.
good luck with the price, and make sure you put "4SALE" sign on teh window
i feel your pain about the financial, but can't you just refinance it to get lower interest? i think someone will buy an automatic because i don't think there are a lot of people want to buy an automatic for RX8, but who knows.
i think everybody knows this that it's better to loose little than alot. if you can get rid of the car for 16K-17K, you should sell it because the more you hold them, the lower the price will go. think about it, it hurts but in the short term.
good luck with the price, and make sure you put "4SALE" sign on teh window
However, again, I can still pay for the car it's just really tight. As I hold it, the more I pay, and the less I'll need to sell the car for. That's basically how I'm thinking about things now.
12-04-2007, 01:57 AM
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I'm am seriously saying a year, because I said somewhere, someTIME, someone will pay KBB value for my car. I'm seriously not going to accept the bet for anything less than one year. I'm not confident that I will sell my car soon for KBB value, but that I will eventually sell it for KBB.
12-04-2007, 01:51 PM
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More info:
So, apparently, just don't shut it off cold, and you'll typically avoid the carbon deposits. No need to rev up to 7250+ even, because the fuel injectors aren't the carbon build-up problem.
The forum member is indeed correct, the auto transmission car was equipped with the "lower power" 4-port engine. Mazda assumed that most auto trans owners would probably just leave the car in full auto mode, they did not provide the car with the 6-port engine configuration that provided additional power at higher RPMs.
Carbon build-up is typically noted on the flanks of the rotors, the spark plugs, and the exhaust port. The intake ports introduce the fuel mixture into the engine as the rotor passes by, then combustion occurs once the ports are "closed" after the rotor has passed. We resurface MANY high-mileage side housings, and carbon build-up in the intake ports is rarely seen and occurs usually only on an improperly tuned street or race engine. Furthermore, the side and rotor housings are constantly being "swept" by the side and apex seals, which hinders the development of carbon deposits. Bringing the engine to full temperature should prevent most carbon build-up, and clean most carbon deposit in the areas noted under typical driving conditions.
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Jim Langer
Racing Beat, Inc.
714-779-8677
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www.racingbeat.com
Carbon build-up is typically noted on the flanks of the rotors, the spark plugs, and the exhaust port. The intake ports introduce the fuel mixture into the engine as the rotor passes by, then combustion occurs once the ports are "closed" after the rotor has passed. We resurface MANY high-mileage side housings, and carbon build-up in the intake ports is rarely seen and occurs usually only on an improperly tuned street or race engine. Furthermore, the side and rotor housings are constantly being "swept" by the side and apex seals, which hinders the development of carbon deposits. Bringing the engine to full temperature should prevent most carbon build-up, and clean most carbon deposit in the areas noted under typical driving conditions.
Best regards,
Jim Langer
Racing Beat, Inc.
714-779-8677
Fax 714-779-2902
www.racingbeat.com
12-09-2007, 02:14 PM
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kisse. I truly wish you good luck with your sale.
But as a car sales person myself, it will be vary hard to sell your car at $20,000.00
Right now, there are $3500 rebates going on for the 07 models, which means that I could get a base, entry model brand new RX-8 for less than $22,000. You do have several options which adds value to the car, yet... "most" buyers will over look such options and just look the numbers($). How do I know? I encounter many people who look at numbers and not what they are actually buying, everyday.
I'm was in a similiar situation as you were not too long ago- thinking of selling my RX-8. 05 with sport options(HID, Traction, Fog lights) and I was offered from my work( Lexus dealership) anywhere between $14,000~$15,000. I owe $20,000. There just isn't the demand in the market for RX-8's.
But, as I stated earlier- I do wish you luck selling your vehicle.
But as a car sales person myself, it will be vary hard to sell your car at $20,000.00
Right now, there are $3500 rebates going on for the 07 models, which means that I could get a base, entry model brand new RX-8 for less than $22,000. You do have several options which adds value to the car, yet... "most" buyers will over look such options and just look the numbers($). How do I know? I encounter many people who look at numbers and not what they are actually buying, everyday.
I'm was in a similiar situation as you were not too long ago- thinking of selling my RX-8. 05 with sport options(HID, Traction, Fog lights) and I was offered from my work( Lexus dealership) anywhere between $14,000~$15,000. I owe $20,000. There just isn't the demand in the market for RX-8's.
But, as I stated earlier- I do wish you luck selling your vehicle.
12-10-2007, 02:16 AM
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*sigh* Thanks Mazda for giving rebates on a high-end car... 
I understand the whole rebate thing, and how it makes cars not worth as much, but the KBB private party price is still the "standard" selling price.
If I sold the car for any less right now, then I would end up owing money on a car that I did have anymore. I did just recently get my loan down close to $20k, so that price would actually pay it off, but as a seller, I have the right to say that I won't sell it for less than $20k, just as any buyer has the right to say they won't buy something for anything more than.
Neither dealerships nor private parties tend to sell things as super-low rates unless they absolutely have to get rid of it quickly. However, if you don't mind waiting, eventually, the price should come around.
I understand the whole rebate thing, and how it makes cars not worth as much, but the KBB private party price is still the "standard" selling price.
If I sold the car for any less right now, then I would end up owing money on a car that I did have anymore. I did just recently get my loan down close to $20k, so that price would actually pay it off, but as a seller, I have the right to say that I won't sell it for less than $20k, just as any buyer has the right to say they won't buy something for anything more than.
Neither dealerships nor private parties tend to sell things as super-low rates unless they absolutely have to get rid of it quickly. However, if you don't mind waiting, eventually, the price should come around.
12-10-2007, 02:54 AM
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Good luck selling your car.
After reading what people said, rebates and all that...
If I were you I will try to get a second job. (if possible)
to afford the car.
Good luck
After reading what people said, rebates and all that...
If I were you I will try to get a second job. (if possible)
to afford the car.
Good luck
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12-10-2007, 10:15 PM
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I actually have a very nice job, and earn quite a bit of money. But I'm on disability which has drastically cut my paycheck. Also, being on disability, if I am working at all outside my job, then the question would become, "well, why can't she work for us?" So, I'm kind of stuck in a rock and a hardplace, but fortunately, I'm nowhere near chewing off my own arm to get out.
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