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Old 04-27-2006, 04:06 PM
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Type of Helmet?

Hey quick question I was wondering for road racing applications would it be ok to get a bell motorcycle helmet. Or should I just get a car one? Does it make a difference? It looks the same.
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Some events allow you to use M rated motorcycle helmets...but most won't!

You need an SA rated helmet. If you plan on being in the sport for a while...buy the best helmet you can afford. The new SA2005 rated helmets are out now
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Thanks, Dannobre.
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I also heard that on long road courses, motorcycle helmets can get very uncomfortable. I dont know this from personal experience, but i did read it on the internet.

Maybe the road racers here can give more info on this.

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My motorcycle helmets are always fitted very small. You cram your head into them to get the tightest fit. That way they stay on better....

My Automotive helmets are always a bit bigger....less of a chance they will fall off in an accident. Therefore a lot more comfortable
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Thanks guys for the help.
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Most clubs around here (including the scca) only require an M rated helmet. You can get an M2005 for around $70, not a bad place to start. I would look into the clubs in your area and see what they require. The only difference between an M2005 and an SA2005 as I've been told is that the SA has an extra fire retardant lining. You will most likely have a very easy time finding an M, and possibly a very difficult time finding an SA.

You also will want to consider an open-face helmet (3/4) - they don't look as cool, but it's recommended for cars with front air bags.
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The only difference between an M2005 and an SA2005 as I've been told is that the SA has an extra fire retardant lining. You will most likely have a very easy time finding an M, and possibly a very difficult time finding an SA.
you can put a fire retardant lining in an M helmet, but that still wouldn't make it an equivalent to an SA helmet. SA helmets are rated for multiple impacts unlike M helmets, ie for those who have roll cages and harnesses (this doesn't necessarily mean that all M helmets are inferior to the crappiest SA helmet, it could very well be the case that an M helmet can exceed SA ratings but still fall under M rating). you might have a hard time finding SA helmets in stores but who shops at stores anymore? buy it online.

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Thanks, that's good to know.

Personally, I think buying a helmet online is risky becuase you have no idea how it's going to fit. I've had helmets ranging from Medium to X-Large fit me well, depending on the manufacturer and model.
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I just got one this week. SA2005. $200.
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there's that too....price. Your cheapest SA helmet can probably get you a decent M helmet. Of course it'd be a good idea to try the helmet on before buying :D
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Originally Posted by dannobre
Some events allow you to use M rated motorcycle helmets...but most won't!

You need an SA rated helmet. If you plan on being in the sport for a while...buy the best helmet you can afford. The new SA2005 rated helmets are out now
Wats the diff. between the SA2000 and SA2005 models?

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Buy a decent SA2005 helmet. You should be able to get one for $200-300 or so

Buying a M rated helmet for the track is dumb...you WILL have to end up buying an SA helmet at some point. The only way the M would be OK is if you already have one and they will let you use it......and you want to use it for the first few events to make sure you like it.....

Believe me...you will have a hard time wiping the BAFG off your face
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takahashi,
a lot of clubs have date limits on the helmets the allow. I know some clubs require it be within 10 years. SA2000 should be fine for you.
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If you're using your DD for track events, an M Helmet should be fine. If it gets to the point where you need fire retardant lining and multiple impact protection in your daily driver, you are either driving the wrong vehicle or need to take it down a notch.

Differences in the 2005 vs 2000 helmets, most of it is testing procedures which can affect the way helmets are assembled and different technologies used on helmets.
Performance Requirement Revisions for M2005 and SA/K2005 Standards
Differences with the 2000 Standards

1. The test line will be shifted to no closer than 40 mm to the nearest point on the
boundary of the extent of protection. Effectively, this leaves the test line as it
was for M2000 and SA2000 in the brow area and lowers it 10 mm on the sides
and in the back of the helmet.

2. Impact levels and impact test criteria are specified for two levels of testing: the
standard level and the deviation level. The standard level applies to helmets
tested in certification and for first round RST. Passing testing at the standard
level demonstrates that the samples merit the Foundation’s certification. The
deviation level is for samples tested in second round RST. If samples of
certified models fail at the deviation level, it is a clear demonstration that the
model no longer reliably meets requirements.

3. The cold temperature conditioning for SA2005 and K2005 has been replaced
with a “cold storage” provision. Helmets will not be tested cold but may be
cycled through a -20° C cold environment and then allowed to return to lab
ambient temperature before continuing with standard test procedures. The cold
conditioning for M2005 remains at -20° C and M2005 samples may be tested
cold .

4. The M2005 draft includes specific provisions for flip-up type headgear. These
provisions are the same as those adopted for testing flip-up configurations for
M2000 but, after this, they will be in print. The provisions are that flip-up
configurations must meet all the requirements set for standard full face
headgear and, additionally, the samples must not “flip up” inadvertently during
testing.

5. The standards include a restriction against a particular method for attaching
fabric chinstraps: if fabric chinstraps are used for retention, they must not be
secured to the shell by rivets passed directly through the fabric. The preferred
method used in almost every Snell certified helmet is to loop and sew the straps
about a metal hanger which is in turn riveted or bolted to the shell. However,
reasonable alternatives to this method will also be considered.

6. Replaceable components critical to protective capability must be suitably
marked. In particular, face shields of full face helmets must be marked with
manufacturer name and the month and year of manufacture.

7. The shell penetration test procedures now specify that testing may be
performed on any site on or above the test line and that shell penetration test
sites must be no closer than 7.5 cm to any other shell penetration or impact test
site. The test equipment has been modified to enable shell penetration testing
to be applied to the full extent of the test area.

8. The standards also include a post-test disassembly and inspection operation
in order to detect potentially hazardous internal projections, any internal features
considered implausible for production headgear and deviations from the
configurations originally certified.
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I can't belive I am reading some comments in this thread...

As mentioned, it doesn't really matter what grade of helmet you happen to have, or think is right, or believe is 'good enough' ...because the sanctioning body that runs any DE or race is going to tell you what you must have, minimum, to leave the paddock.

Still, it's your life ...or head, so why wouldn't you want to buy the best head protection possible? I do work for a local brain injury foundation, and I can tell you first hand, almost any head injury is devastating to life as you know it. The payback for that extra little $$ for even a bit more protection is enormous vs. the alternative costs.

And while just driving doesn't require any protection at all, accidents DO happen, don't have to be your fault at all, and ..... why (help) chance the possibility of becoming a vegetable or worse and a burden to your loved ones and society?

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DE and a "race" are two very very very very different things.
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Originally Posted by visitor
DE and a "race" are two very very very very different things.
When cars crash into each other, or something fixed, they don't know whether they are in a DE or a 'race'... neither does your helmet. Accident just happen, that's why they are called accidents.

The 'very very different things' you refer to is the 'possibility' or 'odds' of a crash. Talk to your bookmaker about that , I wouldn't venture a guess.
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Of the Track or HPDE days that I go to.......only one of the 5 organizing bodies allow M rated helmets. They also recommend the SA rated helmets to the point where they pretty much nag you into having one for your second event.

Like Spin said........It's your head Doesn't it deserve a decent helmet???
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Haha Spin,

I think I have seen more deadly head injuries than you too. Considering that I have been doing coronial post mortem for 2 years.

Mostly the injuries are base of skull fractures - they are speed under 60mph... so if you are on the track, you are better off with a helmet?

An Australian standard motor cycle helmet is very strong - since they are for impact on the road for 60kmh+...

Racing helmet are just lighter with fire proof inner inserts... me thinks
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Thankfully I have seen NO deadly head injuries, just LIVING people who did something/something happened internally to put themselves into a mild to serious mental/physical deficit. but I prefer to try to work at keeping my head screwed on straight at all costs lol, even considering it's hard enough to cope even then sometimes

PS I wear a neck helmet brace too this year to try and avoid base neck fractures.
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