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Old 01-18-2010, 11:10 PM
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Originally Posted by altiain
The car was a blast to drive. While it doesn't have the overall grip of a B (C) Stock car, STX suspension allowances really let you set up a car that's more responsive, better balanced, and ultimately (imho) more fun to drive. I really enjoyed it, and I can't see going back to the restrictions of Stock class.

Now let's just get the car reclassed to DSP so I can enjoy R comps AND the suspension.
I can easily believe that an STX '8 would be more fun than stock prep...there's just something about the stock car, throttle on/off corner, that I never felt was particularly "fun" or in line with the car's other outstanding traits.

Maybe the RX8 goes to DSP if they allow the Datsun Z car in and it smokes the status quo...I'm not so sure about the first (which is out for comment), but I am very confident in the second...

Either way, DSP should just be left the fark alone...it is probably the most interesting SP class, currently.
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Originally Posted by chiketkd
Iain,

Is your current STX set-up just coilovers and wheels & tires? If so, not bad for your first showing in the car. Best of luck as you get more seat time in the car!
Endura Tech coilovers w/ standard spring rates (8kg f/5kg r), sway bars (Progress up front, different rear bars - Sunday was the OEM rear bar), wheels & tires, and the "Isley special" exhaust that has been on the car since it was in B Stock.

Unfortunately, I probably won't be able to pull much weight out or add power beyond this point for awhile - the new kiddo keeps eating into my play money.

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Old 01-19-2010, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by altiain
So I ran the car at a local winter series event yesterday at Pennington Field (the same site Andy Hollis used for the recent "street tires vs. r comps" story in Grassroots). Miatamoto co-drove the car with me. This was not an SCCA-classed event, but there were several competitive SCCA cars there.

Out of 59 cars, Miatamoto and I took first and second in class (under 4.0L displacement on street tires, including a couple of STU cars), and first and third overall on PAX index (we calculated the index on all the SCCA cars there).

It's a small data sample, and I certainly don't expect it to mean anything to anyone but me. However, the car performed better than I expected against a couple of known quantities, and I walked away feeling confident that the car will be in the hunt. Hopefully next month I'll have a chance to run against Lucas and Ledbetter's 328 and add a better data point.

The car was a blast to drive. While it doesn't have the overall grip of a B (C) Stock car, STX suspension allowances really let you set up a car that's more responsive, better balanced, and ultimately (imho) more fun to drive. I really enjoyed it, and I can't see going back to the restrictions of Stock class.

Now let's just get the car reclassed to DSP so I can enjoy R comps AND the suspension.
What size tires are you guys running up there? Full 18" 265s? And what sort of power are you putting down? I am still up in the air about the possibility of going with an RX-8 vs my ride last year...a 328is. Great job up there, though! Sounds like these RX-8s are a build-and-go kind of car...
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255/40-17s on 17x9 +35mm RPF1s. I personally don't think the marginal increase in tread width on the 18/265 combo is worth the added weight and expense. The powertrain is still in BS trim (nothing but an axleback exhaust) - 175-180whp?
Old 01-19-2010, 08:00 AM
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By the way - the 255 Star Specs are slightly wider than my 255 R888s (which in turn were substantially wider than my old 255 RA1s), both mounted on identical wheels. These suckers run pretty big.
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Old 01-19-2010, 06:22 PM
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Altiain, do you know your ride heights? What setting did you use on the progress FSB?
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Originally Posted by altiain
255/40-17s on 17x9 +35mm RPF1s. I personally don't think the marginal increase in tread width on the 18/265 combo is worth the added weight and expense. The powertrain is still in BS trim (nothing but an axleback exhaust) - 175-180whp?
1. And there's the extra tire height as well. Not sure how that affects the RX-8.

2. What's most people would normally see in STX for power?
Old 01-20-2010, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by randallprince
1. And there's the extra tire height as well. Not sure how that affects the RX-8.

2. What's most people would normally see in STX for power?
1. Gearing difference between a 255/40-17 and a 265/35-18 will be almost negligible (~1% iirc). Most tires also weigh the same (or within 1lb) in these two sizes.

2. I think 200-210whp is a reasonable estimate. That's the power level I'm hoping for when I get around to engine tuning later this year (won't have the money to do it for another 10 months or so).
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Originally Posted by S0l08
Altiain, do you know your ride heights? What setting did you use on the progress FSB?
Solo,

My ride height is 13.5" +/- 1/16" from wheel center to fender lip, front and rear. Progress bar was on the middle setting both sides at this event.
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Videos from Sunday:

Morning run

Afternoon run

Please excuse the typo - apprently Miatamoto doesn't know how to spell "Dunlop"...
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Must be nice to race all year long :/
Old 01-21-2010, 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by altiain
Videos from Sunday:

Morning run

Afternoon run

Please excuse the typo - apprently Miatamoto doesn't know how to spell "Dunlop"...
OOPS...
Old 01-21-2010, 09:26 AM
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Nice runs Iain. How close were you and Thomas on time?
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Originally Posted by chiketkd
Nice runs Iain. How close were you and Thomas on time?
I think Iain was almost .8 sec ahead of me in the morning and within .1 sec in the afternoon. I guess that's when I stopped trying to drive it like my MX-5.
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Ah, a Black NA. Brings back memories. Please tell me it was once an R!

Ian, good job, and it's good to see you in the STX ranks.
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Well, it was a good day today. First, I was able to close the deal on the 18x9 SSR Type Cs, which I purchased from user Herblenny. About 1 lb heavier than the 17x9 RPF1s, but I get to run (and pay for) 265s. 3 lbs lighter than the 17x9s I ran last year.

More importantly, Shaikh, the proprieter of FatCat Motorsports, flew up from San Jose and we spent the day test fitting shock bodies & bump stops, and measuring bump vs. droop travel, on my car. While I need to be a bit cagey on the results, suffice to say we believe we found opportunities for improvements over the KWs. It will be a few months before I get the FCM units, however.

Great service from Shaikh, who will be looking at a local NC tomorrow for the same purpose - a buddies car which is being prepped for STR. We both plan to run DA FCM coilovers.
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great to hear, george. keep us posted on how the FMC units work out.
Old 01-24-2010, 11:23 AM
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+1 Keep us posted George. Hope the FCM DA coilovers work out well for you!
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Originally Posted by dmitrik4
great to hear, george. keep us posted on how the FMC units work out.
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+1 Keep us posted George. Hope the FCM DA coilovers work out well for you!
Will do, thanks guys.

BTW, all you CS guys might think about calling Shaikh as well, if you are looking for an interesting alternative to Koni Yellows, or just some alternative bump stops. Shaikh has an excellent working knowledge of the stock class rules, and just might have a trick or two up his sleeve.

Sorry if this sounds like a plug, but he's a great guy and really is interested in seeing his customers succeed.

Here's a pic from yesterday, taken with my iPhone. Shaikh's kneeling in the forground.

Old 01-25-2010, 12:11 PM
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if i had the money i would be all over a set of his Bilsteins for CS. but just not in the budget, esp with how much i'm planning on Lemons racing. i had some of his stuff on my STS miata, and i really liked it. i might give him a call re: bumpstops, though.
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Originally Posted by dmitrik4
if i had the money i would be all over a set of his Bilsteins for CS. but just not in the budget, esp with how much i'm planning on Lemons racing. i had some of his stuff on my STS miata, and i really liked it. i might give him a call re: bumpstops, though.
I believe that I heard the Bilstein HD's are not stock legal, something about the spring perch height. However, if this is the only problem a threaded perch (stock legal if adjusted to the OE perch height) with the Bilstein Spring perch machined out to fit over the threaded perch I think it could be made to work so long as the shock lengths are correct for stock.

However, I'd love to get my hands on a set of used HD's for STX.
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i thought that was in reference to the '09+ cars, but i could be wrong. definitely something to be aware of; however, Shaikh seems like a vendor who understands the class rules.
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Interesting rumored new size of Dunlops of 265/40-17

http://sccaforums.com/forums/1/40035...ad.aspx#400359
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Originally Posted by dmitrik4
i thought that was in reference to the '09+ cars, but i could be wrong. definitely something to be aware of; however, Shaikh seems like a vendor who understands the class rules.
+1 I also thought it related to '09+ cars AND the '08 40th anniversary edition that came with bilsteins. Apparently the stock perch height was changed on those models from the earlier cars. Bilstein has had HD shocks available for the RX-8 as a direct OE replacement since late 2004 iirc...


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