RX-8 to DSP???
11-17-2012, 09:10 AM
#151
Bump
more to it than most people realize
Street Prepared allowances above Street Touring:
Remove A/C components (interior & exterior but heater system must not be modified)
Cut or flair fenders (for 295+ tires with equally wide wheels)
Any high-back seat (no minimum weight limit)
Any steering wheel (no air bag requirement)
front splitter & rear spoiler aero is allowed, but no aftermarket rear wings (there is an SP aero proposal out in the latest FastTrack to delete or modify the rule)
Stereo/speakers/amps can be removed (wiring must remain, any resulting holes must be covered)
Any single brake master cylinder or brake booster.
A single bolt-on master cylinder brace is allowed.
A brake proportioning valve is allowed.
No limit on rotor cross-drilling surface area
Brake backing plates can be modified or removed. Brake air ducts are allowed as long as the body/structure is not modified
Steering rack bushings can be changed as long as the metal content is equal or less than OEM
Any ignition system or component is allowed
Any oil pan, oil pump, or oil pump pickup is allowed, including an Accu-sump
Fuel injection and intake manifold are unrestricted, including injectors, rails, throttle body, linkage, pressure regulator, etc.
All emission control devices may be modified or removed
Intake water injection is allowed
Any fuel pump(s) is(are) allowed, any fuel line is permitted up to 1/2" ID with one supply line, one return line, and an added fitting is allowed at the top of the fuel tank (allows converting the RX8 non-return system to an external return system with a second pump in the RH saddle to eliminate the siphon pickup configuration)
Any gasoline fuel is permitted (E85 is already allowed)
Any radiator is allowed as long as it uses the OE mounts and is equal or larger in size, fluid capacity, and dry weight than OE (may serve no other purpose such as allow a cold air intake passage, etc.)
Any radiator fan & shroud is permitted (except flex-fans, not applicable)
Any clutch & flywheel is permitted, an alternate slave cylinder/device is permitted (allows conversion from slave/mechanical actuator to full hydraulic direct actuator)
Engine & drivetrain components may be balanced
Intake and exhaust port matching is permitted within 1" of the interface joint
Any aftermarket engine computer is allowed (MoTeC, etc.)
Update/backdate between 2004-2008 and 2009-2011 vehicle components assuming they are listed on the same classing line
.
Street Prepared allowances above Street Touring:
Remove A/C components (interior & exterior but heater system must not be modified)
Cut or flair fenders (for 295+ tires with equally wide wheels)
Any high-back seat (no minimum weight limit)
Any steering wheel (no air bag requirement)
front splitter & rear spoiler aero is allowed, but no aftermarket rear wings (there is an SP aero proposal out in the latest FastTrack to delete or modify the rule)
Stereo/speakers/amps can be removed (wiring must remain, any resulting holes must be covered)
Any single brake master cylinder or brake booster.
A single bolt-on master cylinder brace is allowed.
A brake proportioning valve is allowed.
No limit on rotor cross-drilling surface area
Brake backing plates can be modified or removed. Brake air ducts are allowed as long as the body/structure is not modified
Steering rack bushings can be changed as long as the metal content is equal or less than OEM
Any ignition system or component is allowed
Any oil pan, oil pump, or oil pump pickup is allowed, including an Accu-sump
Fuel injection and intake manifold are unrestricted, including injectors, rails, throttle body, linkage, pressure regulator, etc.
All emission control devices may be modified or removed
Intake water injection is allowed
Any fuel pump(s) is(are) allowed, any fuel line is permitted up to 1/2" ID with one supply line, one return line, and an added fitting is allowed at the top of the fuel tank (allows converting the RX8 non-return system to an external return system with a second pump in the RH saddle to eliminate the siphon pickup configuration)
Any gasoline fuel is permitted (E85 is already allowed)
Any radiator is allowed as long as it uses the OE mounts and is equal or larger in size, fluid capacity, and dry weight than OE (may serve no other purpose such as allow a cold air intake passage, etc.)
Any radiator fan & shroud is permitted (except flex-fans, not applicable)
Any clutch & flywheel is permitted, an alternate slave cylinder/device is permitted (allows conversion from slave/mechanical actuator to full hydraulic direct actuator)
Engine & drivetrain components may be balanced
Intake and exhaust port matching is permitted within 1" of the interface joint
Any aftermarket engine computer is allowed (MoTeC, etc.)
Update/backdate between 2004-2008 and 2009-2011 vehicle components assuming they are listed on the same classing line
.
11-18-2012, 07:40 AM
#155
STX went from 0.822 > 0.827 = 0.005
DSP went from 0.851 > 0.855 = 0.004
They are as close as you can get without being the same, at 0.001 difference.
Remember that all the other classes got hit too so its not like everyone locally is gaining that much on you. However the Miatas will be much better off in CS, ES and ESP.
They reclassified the Rx8 to DSP from BSP then dropped the gap from 0.008 to 0.003 so not quite the advantage we had hoped for.
Here is the pax list which I took from @bassicfun on the NOSIC forum 2013 PAX numbers - NASIOC
DSP went from 0.851 > 0.855 = 0.004
They are as close as you can get without being the same, at 0.001 difference.
Remember that all the other classes got hit too so its not like everyone locally is gaining that much on you. However the Miatas will be much better off in CS, ES and ESP.
They reclassified the Rx8 to DSP from BSP then dropped the gap from 0.008 to 0.003 so not quite the advantage we had hoped for.
Here is the pax list which I took from @bassicfun on the NOSIC forum 2013 PAX numbers - NASIOC
11-18-2012, 11:19 AM
#156
If by all the other classes got hit you mean...A few of them didn't.
Locally some of the fastest cars that compete here are BSP, FSP, and SMF cars. I have Jinx Jordan in my region, as well as another super fast SMF drivers, all who usually pax within a tenth of me...Now that my pax went up, and their's stayed the same, or dropped from .859 to .858, yeah that pretty much sucks, unless the new crop of street tires is indeed faster..
Locally some of the fastest cars that compete here are BSP, FSP, and SMF cars. I have Jinx Jordan in my region, as well as another super fast SMF drivers, all who usually pax within a tenth of me...Now that my pax went up, and their's stayed the same, or dropped from .859 to .858, yeah that pretty much sucks, unless the new crop of street tires is indeed faster..
11-18-2012, 01:10 PM
#157
they just think that somebody with a halfway decent setup and driving skill finally showed what the class is capable of
all the whining in the world won't make you faster, let alone believing that some stupid number system can equate all classes and drivers, go start a pax thread or something rather than taking your dump in the DSP thread
all the whining in the world won't make you faster, let alone believing that some stupid number system can equate all classes and drivers, go start a pax thread or something rather than taking your dump in the DSP thread
11-19-2012, 12:30 AM
#161
You shouldn't really judge how one did at Nationals when you've never competed there yourself...
It's different out there...
With that said, With the help of Motion Lab Tuning, I should be moving to DSP next year.
But i'm also about to buy a E36 328i, or an E36 M3
It's different out there...
With that said, With the help of Motion Lab Tuning, I should be moving to DSP next year.
But i'm also about to buy a E36 328i, or an E36 M3
11-19-2012, 04:31 PM
#164
I look forward to competing with you guys in 2013, I am just looking to grow as a driver and keep learning every time I race. Everyone say Nationals is a great experience.
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