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Old 11-25-2008, 09:31 PM
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Edmunds Insideline review:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...hotopanel..1.*



What Works:
Responsive, powerful V6; tenacious cornering grip; supple highway ride; good driving position.

What Needs Work:
Engine vibration at peak rpm; massive right-rear blind spot; nighttime instrument reflections in windshield.

Bottom Line:
A world-class sports car for the price of a Mitsubishi Evo or Subaru WRX STI.


The Z-Car for True Believers

By Michael Jordan, Executive Editor Email
Date posted: 11-25-2008

The 2009 Nissan 370Z is lit for the cameras tonight, and the bubble of white light around it holds back the darkness of this parking lot in Los Angeles. The Z-car believers have come to see the car in its first public showing, and Randy Rodriguez is one of them.
Rodriguez has come a long way to be here. Raised in British Columbia, his family ran a small gas station and car repair business and came to specialize in Nissans. His first car was a Nissan 240Z that he rebuilt with his own hands, and he's owned 10 early Zs of them over the years, though he's still only 31.
As with all Z-car people, Rodriguez doesn't quite fit in the box where you find most car enthusiasts; he's a little out of the mainstream, a little more open to doing things differently, and a little more serious about cars in way that only someone who has had to bring old, second-hand beaters back to life can be.
Rodriguez is exactly the person for whom this new Z-car is meant. Probably there's some kind of magic at work in the fact that Randy Rodriguez's day job is at Nissan Design America, and he was the one who first sketched the lines of what has become the 2009 Nissan 370Z.
Cut Down to Size
You can feel the difference in the new Z-car as soon as you roll out of the driveway and into the street. Gone is the creakiness and slightly too-taut springiness of the 350Z. Instead, this new Z feels as supple on its suspension as a European luxury coupe, yet it's as poised on its big tires as a sports car should be.
For this new-generation car, Nissan sought to dramatically reduce the car's weight, and it adopted the simple expedient of slashing 3.9 inches from the wheelbase behind the driver. Now the wheelbase measures 100.4 inches, close to the traditional 99 inches that has been the Golden Mean of sports car geometry through the years. In concert with this, the rear track has been made 2.2 inches wider.
The Nissan engineers have also been more mindful of structural rigidity than before. There's a new front suspension cradle, a V-shape bar under the body and detailed structural enhancements to the rear of the car. As a result, the front torsional rigidity has been improved by 30 percent, the rear torsional rigidity has gone up by 22 percent and the bending rigidity has gone up 30 percent.
Overall, Nissan's engineering teams managed to slice 225 pounds out of the package, although the addition of safety features and convenience equipment put most of it back. In the end, the 2009 Nissan 370Z is only 95 pounds lighter than the 350Z it replaces.
These key changes help elevate the whole car to a higher level. An engineer will tell you that the car's improved structure makes it capable of delivering a more resilient ride while retaining dynamic excellence. We'll tell you that the car feels completely different, more grown up.
Street Ride
Its new forged-aluminum double-wishbone front suspension so perfectly absorbs terrain, even concrete slabs, you could easily be fooled into thinking this Z-car is just a coupe now, targeted at BMW owners. And the interior looks it, as the stylish but stark furnishings of the 350Z have given way to softer, more luxurious detailing.
The architecture is familiar, from the eight-way manually adjustable seat to the way the steering tilts up and down with the instrument binnacle as a unified pod. The hip point of the driving position is about a half inch lower. To the rear, you'll notice that there's a hellacious blind spot over your right shoulder, something for which the new, larger outside mirrors can't entirely compensate.
As before, the VQ-Series V6 performs as if it has a far wider and deeper power band than you'd expect. The six-speed manual transmission also feels more refined, yet it still retains the bolt-action crispness of its shift action and gear engagement. Meanwhile, the new variable-ratio brake pedal fosters smooth stops without sacrificing ultimate bite from the stock brakes, which feature 12.6-inch rotors in front and 12.1-inch rotors in the rear.
Then you lay into the new, bottom-pivot throttle pedal and the 3.7-liter VQ37VHR (Very High Revving) V6 comes to life. Why, hello there.
Track Ride
So in front you have the 3.7-liter version of the VQ-Series V6 with variable valve timing, variable valve lift and a redline of 7,500 rpm, and it makes 332 horsepower at 7,000 rpm and 270 pound-feet of torque at 5,200 rpm. At your right hand you have the six-speed manual transmission.
Our 2009 Nissan 370Z test car also wore the optional Sport package, with forged-aluminum wheels carrying Bridgestone RE050A tires (P245/40R19s in front and P275/35R19s in the back), a brake package with four-piston aluminum front calipers plus 14.0-inch rotors in front and 13.8-inch rotors in the rear, and finally a viscous-type limited-slip rear differential.
There's so much tire grip that the engine almost bogs at the starting line, yet 60 mph comes up in just 5.1 seconds (4.9 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip). The new Z-car is no featherweight, as this test car's 3,359 pounds prove, but it does serious business, as the quarter-mile comes up in 13.4 seconds at 104.8 mph. It also comes to a stop from 60 mph in only 101 feet.
There's more than enough tire on the ground, as the 370 circles the skid pad at 0.97g in a steady drift that can be adjusted with the throttle. The shorter wheelbase promises better agility through the slalom, and the 69-mph run confirms it. Basically the 2009 Nissan 370Z fills out the performance envelope of last year's 2008 Nissan 350Z Nismo, but without the Nismo car's wound-up character.
Your Ride
You don't have to be a magician to find this extra dimension of performance within the 370Z, either. Partly this is because the engine is in front of you, so the heavy bit of the car leads the way in a reassuring fashion. More important, the car never loses its suppleness over the bumps, although you're aware of it stroking up and down on its suspension because you're closer to the rear wheels than before.
If you were clumsy in the 350Z and braked too late, plunging the corners as if you were flogging a WRX, the old car would understeer and make you feel stupid. The 370Z doesn't push and always makes you feel smart.
You feel even smarter if you use the SynchroRev Match option (part of the Sport package) for the manual transmission, a system of electronic switches that automatically blips the throttle for you during downshifts. It does its job so perfectly that it translates both into painless crawling in commute traffic at low speeds and improved chassis equilibrium and faster entry speed into corners at high speeds.
Of course, as relaxed as the chassis feels at sporting speed, the same can't always be said of the drivetrain. The 3.7-liter version of the VQ V6 often feels like it's stretched to the limits of its capability, as vibration grows disturbingly intense the closer you get to the engine's redline at 7,500 rpm. Meanwhile, the 19-inch Bridgestone tires roar too loudly over some kinds of pavement, enough so that a couple hours behind the wheel can be exhausting if you're traveling on a concrete freeway.
The Price of Greatness
The 2009 Nissan 370Z goes into Nissan dealers in January 2009, and so far we know only that the price begins at $29,930. Instead of a fistful of trim levels, there will be only the plain 370Z and the more luxurious 370Z Touring (at least to start with).
If you're someone who does track days, you'll be interested in the optional Sport package with its bigger tires and bigger brakes. You might also be interested in the special Nismo parts fitted to this test car, an engine oil cooler and an oil cooler for the limited-slip rear differential. The engine's extreme output has made it more sensitive to oil temperature, we understand, so if you're looking for the ability to reach redline throughout a long track session on a warm day, the Nismo bits are a good thing to have (especially since there was even serious discussion about making them a part of the Sport option).
The Z-car started out in 1970 as a subversive car at Nissan, the brainchild of Yutaka Katayama, the legendary Mr. K. And it still appeals to drivers who have a subversive instinct for speed, who aren't prepared to accept conventional answers about what a sports car should be. Just like Nissan itself, the 2009 Nissan 370Z is direct, unpretentious and even a little unrefined. It's as if all the artifice of Japanese politeness and philosophy has been stripped away, revealing the pure Z-car.
Z-car people will be pleased.

The manufacturer provided Edmunds this vehicle for the purposes of evaluation.
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3359lbs? Heck, that's F Stock territory...and the Z is a two seater...

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Old 11-26-2008, 08:01 AM
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The "supple highway ride" concerns me. Slalom speed is quite good. However, I'm also left feeling unimpressed...
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Originally Posted by mwood
3359lbs? Heck, that's F Stock territory...and the Z is a two seater...

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Hey Mike....glad you noticed.I have been trying to convince Sammy for years that the Z is a perfect fit for FS but he has yet to agree???
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Originally Posted by tomsn16
Hey Mike....glad you noticed.I have been trying to convince Sammy for years that the Z is a perfect fit for FS but he has yet to agree???
Only problem is that it is a two seater, which is contrary to FS. That plus the shorter wheelbase makes it more "sports car" and less "pony car", imho...even though it is a porky sports car
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Motortrend test of the 370Z:
This could make a great pro solo car.
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Nismo 370z...according to the article, not confirmed for the US yet...

http://www.leftlanenews.com/nissan-nismo-370z.html

"The NISMO S-Tune Performance Package raises the performance bar, adding a new exhaust system, 19 inch NISMO wheels, an S-Tune suspension and upgraded brakes."

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For the 350Z at least, S-Tune parts were dealer-installed, and thus not Stock legal.
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For the 350Z at least, S-Tune parts were dealer-installed, and thus not Stock legal.
True, but the '07 & '08 350Z Nismo we received used parts from the jdm s-tune package.
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Comparison Test: 2009 Nissan 370Z vs. 2008 BMW 135i




Dare To Compare
By Chris Walton, Chief Road Test Editor Email | Blog
Date posted: 12-14-2008


What comes after Z?, we wondered when Nissan let the stage go black in 1996 and officially bid farewell to the Z-car at an event at the Petersen Automotive Museum in Los Angeles. Sales of the twin-turbo 300ZX had been declining as fast as applications for library cards, so Nissan simply stopped selling the car in the U.S. It made us wonder where the Z fit in Nissan's future.

The answer came in 2002, when the Nissan 350Z appeared, a serious sports car that seemed to measure itself against the Corvette in both speed and style. It brought people back to Nissan, but lots of the young enthusiasts didn't know what an icon the Z had been for the company since its inception in 1970.

With the 2009 Nissan 370Z, all that changes. As a Z should be, the 370Z is a statement of purpose, not just another car on the showroom floor. With this second-generation version of the revitalized Z, the car has moved on from affordable performance to something that brings new descriptions into play — not only like quick, fast, strong and powerful, but also gorgeous, luxurious, nimble, graceful, delicate and smooth.

This is a car so good that it makes you wonder what kind of car it is: a sports car, a sport coupe or a muscle-bound pony car? And that's where the 2008 BMW 135i comes in, a pocket-size BMW M3 with an affordable price tag to match.

The Not-So-Secret Weapon
The 2009 Nissan 370Z is priced like a pony car, with an MSRP for the base model that will start a whisker below $30,000 (final pricing has yet to be announced before the car's official on-sale date in January). Our Z arrived with the Sport package ($3,500 est.) and a still-wet paint job in nail-polish red ($500 estimated) for an estimated total of $34,625.

During the Z-car's development, Nissan targeted the Porsche Cayman as the new Z-car's dynamic goal. But the 2009 Cayman makes only 265 horsepower from its new 2.9-liter flat-6 engine, and you'll have to up the ante by almost $10,000 for a 2009 Cayman S with 320 hp to come within reach of the Z's 332-hp 3.7-liter V6. Suddenly, you're looking at a price tag far above $50,000, and the Porsche Cayman at any price seems one-dimensional compared to the Z-car.

We found the answer in our long-term test fleet and our very own 2008 BMW 135i, with its already legendary twin-turbo 300-hp inline-6 and a $35,725 base price. (Our particular test car also includes $2,045 in options, but those are mostly dress upgrades.)

Unlike the Z-car, the BMW has a backseat, but it also has the same sense of being fully equipped with both performance and convenience equipment as the Z-car. In this it's like a baby M3, combining sports car performance with sport coupe practicality. And this is what the 2009 Nissan 370Z is after, we think.

Who Would Have Believed?
All our scurrilous suspicions about the ineffectiveness of the 370Z's negligible weight reduction over the 350Z were put to rest after the Z-car's first quarter-mile pass. The radio crackled, "High 13s! I think I can bring it down with a better bog-free launch. Beep." Sure enough, raising the rpm to about five grand before dumping the clutch let the monster 275mm-width Potenzas sing that telling tone: the one that says, "You nailed it, now just don't botch a shift, cowboy." The result is 5.1 seconds to 60 mph (4.9 seconds with 1 foot of rollout like on a drag strip) and the quarter-mile in 13.4 seconds at 104.6 mph. Yeow.

We went positively apoplectic when the first 2007 BMW 335i Coupe ran down a drag strip with numbers like those. Well guess what? Our daily-driver 135i nearly duplicated the Z-car's run with its own 5.1-second dash to 60 mph (4.8 seconds with 1 foot of rollout) and a quarter-mile of 13.4 seconds at 103.5 mph.

Uh-oh. That's a dead heat, and this isn't going to be an easy one to call when it comes time to put the test scores on paper, is it?

Grip 'n Grin
While the 370Z is the fastest production Z-car ever, the better news is that the heavy shifting action and equally ham-fisted steering response have been banished. What's more, adding the Sport package's upsized brakes, viscous limited-slip differential, lightweight wheels and wide tires give the Z-car some incredible stick, too.

Never mind the Cayman. Remember when a 2007 Porsche 911 Turbo with its $8,800 optional carbon-ceramic brakes brought that ultraexpensive car to a halt from 60 mph in just 103 feet? This Nissan 370Z with its own brake upgrades stopped in 101 feet on the first and fifth attempts, proving highly resistant to fade. These are solid, powerful brakes that give you confidence, to be sure.

Of course, we discovered that repeated hammering on the Nissan's brake pedal deformed something in the linkage in a way that makes at least one sensor think the brake pedal is constantly on. When this happens, the throttle will default to only 20 percent input (a similar strategy to prevent unintended acceleration is featured by cars from the German manufacturers, among others). The quick fix is to simply lift the brake pedal with the toe of your left foot, and then later we taped a couple pennies between the sensor and the perch it was looking for. Apparently Nissan discovered this issue shortly after this preproduction car was built and a permanent fix has been made.

The BMW 135i wasn't napping, though. On its second and fifth braking attempts, the Bavarian repeated silent and controlled stops from 60 mph of 108 feet. The Z-car has an advantage here in tire choice, but we also found that the BMW brake system makes it a little easier to jump on the pedal and still get response that is more linear and easier to modulate.

When the slalom runs returned effectively identical speeds of 69.8 mph for the Nissan and 69.7 mph for the BMW, we couldn't help but laugh. (C'mon, these two cars are identical on paper, but they feel so different.) The tie-breaking test came on the skid pad, where the relatively small tires on the BMW manage to produce a highly respectable orbit of 0.90g that is summarily crushed by the Z's supercarlike 0.97g grip. (Where'd that come from? This thing's got brutal levels of mechanical grip.)

Charting the Differences
As we switched between these two cars over the course of several days, it was a remarkable thing to travel through space at the same rate but record two entirely different experiences. On the same roads and at the same speed, the BMW clearly values ride compliance and engine smoothness and quietness in general, while the Nissan provides unrelenting contact with the road, razor-sharp control and an unmistakable V6 soundtrack. Mark that down.

Honestly, though, the Z's exhaust sounds far better from outside than it does from within. This version of the VQ-Series V6 drones a bit, and it gets pretty tiresome with time. Speaking of tiresome, the same goes for the roar generated by the Z's huge Bridgestones, emphasis on stones. We suspect the din would be more subdued with the standard tires, but then you wouldn't have all that grip, now, would you? Mark that.

More differences were discovered when we started logging standard and optional equipment. Intelligent ignition key? Standard on the Z, optional on the 135i. The same holds true for heated seats, but then you get four in the 135i (although they're wrapped in sweat-producing leatherette unless you opt for leather). The seats in the 370Z might be cloth (you need to order the Touring model for leather) and they'll make you feel like you need to visit the gym more often, but they're also highly supportive and keep the driver in place when exploring the car's limits.

And when you look hard at an overall list of features, the Z-car looks pretty strong. (Check out our Features Comparison for a more thorough discussion.)

Say It With Style
You know Nissan "got it" from the moment you first glance at the 2009 370Z. Believe us when we say that the styling works far better in person than it does in photos, even if our award-winning photographer Scott Jacobs captures it. Those powerful wheel arches, especially on the rear of the car, give the 370Z genuine sports-car cred with one simple yet profound gesture.

The sharp character lines running down the hood are carried into a grille that has far more personality than the previous car's rectangular duct, while the 4 inches sliced out of the wheelbase enhance a kind of cohesive mechanical effect. We love it, and we'd love to see an all-black 370Z with blacked-out windows.

We can appreciate that there are some of you who believe the BMW 1 Series bears some resemblance to the car that's widely recognized as the original sport sedan, the BMW 2002, but there are also those among us who still think it looks like a potbellied pig. Sorry, but it's no breathtaking Z8, or even nearly as lust-worthy as a 335i coupe's sweeping lines. It's not going to age well, either.

Interesting? Yes. Corporate? Undoubtedly. Gorgeous? Now don't get carried away.

Are We Ever Going To Choose a Winner?
When the 2008 BMW 135i came to us, we found it to be one of the purest expressions of the BMW character since the 1971 BMW 2002 tii. Now that the novelty has worn off a bit and we've driven one for close to 15,000 miles, we still think it's a brilliant car. With a long-legged engine that's as happy at 2,000 rpm as it is at 7,000 rpm, this BMW is destined to continue to win comparison tests and conquest buyers for years to come.

The 2009 Nissan 370Z achieves the same sort of thing on the Nissan side. It's so improved in every way over the 350Z that it comes off like a completely different car. Think of the 350Z as a really long prototyping program or maybe an elaborate focus group process. It might have taken six years to work out the kinks, but man, was it worth it. It is both sports car and sport coupe, just as in Mr. K's original concept for the 1970 Datsun 240Z and very much as the BMW M3 has evolved. And it wins this comparison test.

We'll even go so far as to say that the 2009 Nissan 370Z now raises the standard for the sport coupe segment to a new level of affordable excellence. Its accessible performance alone is worthy of status as a benchmark. Its looks alone will bring people to a Nissan showroom. And the combination of the Z-car's reasonable price and fuel -efficiency (22 mpg EPA combined) will certainly get your attention.

The 2009 Nissan 370Z has the whole benchmark package wrapped up with a bow: price, exterior design, interior packaging, performance, features and that X-factor that makes you just want to go out and drive one, and drive it hard. Thinking of the Z-car as a sports car is one thing, but we can honestly say that there's not another sport coupe that can touch the new Z. Dare to compare.

The manufacturers provided Edmunds these vehicles for the purposes of evaluation.
Linkey: http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ageId=155742#3
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Originally Posted by chiketkd
"The answer came in 2002, when the Nissan 350Z appeared, a serious sports car that seemed to measure itself against the Corvette in both speed and style."
Geesh. Might as well just start off the article with a disclaimer that you're halfway through your vision quest.

Good info in the article tho.

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