New BS pecking order?
11-11-2008, 04:55 PM
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Computer know your speed, knows gear ratios (what rpm/mph by gear), drive by wire throttle. Sounds like a relatively simple math problem.
11-11-2008, 04:57 PM
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Yes, duh, it knows how far to blip it, but how does it know what gear you're going into until you've already crammed it in there, at which point it's too late for it to do the synchros any good?
11-11-2008, 05:46 PM
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Maybe you can just drop it into a lower gear and let out the clutch and the computer will leave the clutch disengaged, blip the throttle and re-engage it for you. That would be weird to get used to.
11-11-2008, 06:43 PM
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I can't see someone downshifting w/o having their foot on the brake. I imagine, if the brake pedal is pressed and the shift lever is pulled out of gear, the system will anticipate a downshift and blip the revs accordingly based on the lower gear selected.
11-11-2008, 07:25 PM
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I do that quite often in daily driving. Cruising down the road in 4th or 5th and traffic slows down, but not enough to use brakes. I'll drop it to 3rd.
Even if the system assumed brakes+clutch=downshift, how's it know which gear you're going to? I'm very interested to hear how it works.
Even if the system assumed brakes+clutch=downshift, how's it know which gear you're going to? I'm very interested to hear how it works.
11-11-2008, 09:31 PM
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I take it you've never driven a LBC or VW Bug up a hill....
The whole idea of AI throttle blipping makes me less interested in the 370...not that I could stand to look at one on a daily driver basis, anyhow, based on the pics...
btw, R&T magazine did a mini test on the RX8 R3 and found it no quicker in any of the acceleration tests. It did slalom better than the old car...don't know if that is entirely attributable to the Bils or what...
The whole idea of AI throttle blipping makes me less interested in the 370...not that I could stand to look at one on a daily driver basis, anyhow, based on the pics...
btw, R&T magazine did a mini test on the RX8 R3 and found it no quicker in any of the acceleration tests. It did slalom better than the old car...don't know if that is entirely attributable to the Bils or what...
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11-11-2008, 10:01 PM
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I take it you've never driven a LBC or VW Bug up a hill....
The whole idea of AI throttle blipping makes me less interested in the 370...not that I could stand to look at one on a daily driver basis, anyhow, based on the pics...
btw, R&T magazine did a mini test on the RX8 R3 and found it no quicker in any of the acceleration tests. It did slalom better than the old car...don't know if that is entirely attributable to the Bils or what...
The whole idea of AI throttle blipping makes me less interested in the 370...not that I could stand to look at one on a daily driver basis, anyhow, based on the pics...
btw, R&T magazine did a mini test on the RX8 R3 and found it no quicker in any of the acceleration tests. It did slalom better than the old car...don't know if that is entirely attributable to the Bils or what...
I'm sure a good deal of that is attributable to the Bils...some may also come from the shorter/stiffer sidewalls on the lower profile 19" tires.
11-11-2008, 11:35 PM
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You know I'm just messing with y'all....
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11-12-2008, 11:54 AM
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When was the last NASA-X National Championship? Heck, how about a National anything?
When NASA-X gets out of the big fish, small pond as far as events go (not talking about the people that participate in them) then maybe they'll be taken with a bit more seriousness. But right now, that's all NASA-X is: all talk, blah blah blah, we're better, blah, rules, blah blah.
Make an effort to hold some national NASA-X events where it's not just a 'local' event, and then you may have a 'right' to compare SCCA to NASA-X *rules* (again, not the people that run or compete in them).
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When NASA-X gets out of the big fish, small pond as far as events go (not talking about the people that participate in them) then maybe they'll be taken with a bit more seriousness. But right now, that's all NASA-X is: all talk, blah blah blah, we're better, blah, rules, blah blah.
Make an effort to hold some national NASA-X events where it's not just a 'local' event, and then you may have a 'right' to compare SCCA to NASA-X *rules* (again, not the people that run or compete in them).
--KC
My experience with NASA on the other hand, is "go out and race. When you become unsafe, we'll bring you back to the pits. Then go out and race. Oh btw, here's your progress".
I'd go with the SCCA anyday for AutoX though, and if that's the only thing you want to do.
11-12-2008, 12:05 PM
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Thus far, my experience with the SCCA has been one of boredom, vague progress curves, and just pure "stick up the butt" safety.
My experience with NASA on the other hand, is "go out and race. When you become unsafe, we'll bring you back to the pits. Then go out and race. Oh btw, here's your progress".
I'd go with the SCCA anyday for AutoX though, and if that's the only thing you want to do.
My experience with NASA on the other hand, is "go out and race. When you become unsafe, we'll bring you back to the pits. Then go out and race. Oh btw, here's your progress".
I'd go with the SCCA anyday for AutoX though, and if that's the only thing you want to do.
11-12-2008, 01:50 PM
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11-13-2008, 11:11 AM
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So I was just reading the Nov 2008 Autocar (one of our UK publications) it has a review of the 370. They confirm auto-blipping on the manual trans car. The bad news is the claim the same weight for the 350 and 370 - keep in mind the UK version of the car may not be exactly the same as ours.
We will get our preview today, but doubt we will get it on the scales or up in the air. But one of our visitors is the 370/GTR project manager, so we should be able to get a lot of data. I did find out the car we get to test at the end of the month is blue with a 6spd manual trans.
We will get our preview today, but doubt we will get it on the scales or up in the air. But one of our visitors is the 370/GTR project manager, so we should be able to get a lot of data. I did find out the car we get to test at the end of the month is blue with a 6spd manual trans.
11-13-2008, 11:49 AM
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If you can, take it to an alignment shop to see what kind of numbers are possible up front. It's smelling like a possible BS car still -- crap diff, heavy weight.
If you can, take it to an alignment shop to see what kind of numbers are possible up front. It's smelling like a possible BS car still -- crap diff, heavy weight.
11-13-2008, 11:55 AM
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I doubt we will get to molest the car today, with its owners watching over us, but when we get our tester it will be taken to my house and given the full treatment. 
11-13-2008, 12:38 PM
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Now why they would think rev matching is warranted when you're right foot is more than willing to throttle up to match... that's another question.
I'd think this would have more use in real world applications when people try to pass on the highway. I'm pretty sure the average driver is going to do a worse job rev matching on the downshift on a highway then anyone reading this forum.
11-13-2008, 07:14 PM
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This info was posted on NASIOC -- I guess we'll find out how accurate it is on 11/19:
If this is correct, it looks like the 370Z is almost 60lbs lighter than its corresponding '08 350Z model, while packing 26hp more. Not too shabby -- maybe AS???
Originally Posted by mh_WRX
Here is the current break down for weight of 2008 350z:
Base 3320
Enthusiast 3327
Touring 3376
Grand Touring 3381
NISMO 3353
For the 370Z there are some reductions across the board. This includes larger brakes, better interior, and a more power.
Base 3262
Enthusiast 3273
Touring 3320
Grand Touring 3325
NISMO 3298
And on a side note, a dealership person who shall be left unnamed took one of the 370Z tour cars and weighed it. It was an Enthusiast model and the scale read 3169 with 3/4 tank of gas.
Base 3320
Enthusiast 3327
Touring 3376
Grand Touring 3381
NISMO 3353
For the 370Z there are some reductions across the board. This includes larger brakes, better interior, and a more power.
Base 3262
Enthusiast 3273
Touring 3320
Grand Touring 3325
NISMO 3298
And on a side note, a dealership person who shall be left unnamed took one of the 370Z tour cars and weighed it. It was an Enthusiast model and the scale read 3169 with 3/4 tank of gas.
11-13-2008, 09:20 PM
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I agree, the stuff that gets thrown around the internetzzz, relative to weights etc. is most times b.s....and, how can a car that is "supposed" to weigh 3273 all of a sudden weigh in at 3169? Unauthorized scale?
Anyhow, unless the car has hell of adjustability in the front suspension, based on what I'm hearing, forget AS, it'll be running for 2nd (again) in BS...
When you start hearing about gimmicks like electronic throttle blip downshifts (on a manual trans car) and weight being only 60lbs less than the previous model, you have to start wondering how much of what Nissan has been leaking to the press is hype and how much is going to be real.
Anyhow, unless the car has hell of adjustability in the front suspension, based on what I'm hearing, forget AS, it'll be running for 2nd (again) in BS...
When you start hearing about gimmicks like electronic throttle blip downshifts (on a manual trans car) and weight being only 60lbs less than the previous model, you have to start wondering how much of what Nissan has been leaking to the press is hype and how much is going to be real.