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Old 10-18-2016, 06:14 AM
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VIRginia International Raceway (VIR)
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Old 10-18-2016, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by rocketboi336 View Post
I think I have somewhat competitive times now to post!

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March 27th, 2016: Buttonwillow 13CW: 2:08.6 with Ongrid.

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September 10th, 2016: Thunderhill East (Bypass): 2:11.3 with NCRC.

What's interesting was that my lap at buttonwillow I was fighting understeer but when I was at Thill I was mostly fighting oversteer. Maybe a change in driving style or inconsistent tire pressures. Will have to take note next time.
Nice, that's a quick time at Thunderhill. (I'm not as familiar with BW lap times).
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Old 10-28-2016, 03:12 PM
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Willow Springs - 1:42.377 - 10/22/2016 - 2004, Hawk HPS, Eibach Springs, Progress Sways, 245/45/18 Potenza re070

Spring Mountain - East/West Track w/Bowl 2.8 CW - 2:24.696 - 5/17/2014 - 2004, Hawk HPS, bad fuel pump

Spring Mountain - Mansell Course (CW) - 3:00.135 - 4/24/2016 - 2004, Hawk HPS, Eibach Springs, 245/45/18 Potenza re070

Auto Club Speedway (Fontana) - Pro Course - "Roval" - 2:09.070 -11/17/2015 - 2004, Hawk HPS, Eibach Springs, 245/45/18 Potenza re070
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Old 10-31-2016, 07:07 PM
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RX8 2004 Base. Rear interior removed. RB header+midpipe+race muffler. 17x9 rpf1, 245square. AEM intake, PC680 battery. Bride driver seat, roll bar, blown Stance Coilovers, porterfield R4-1 pads.

Buttonwillow CW#13 2:06.03 on Hankook RS3
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Old 11-01-2016, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ybyrx8 View Post
RX8 2004 Base. Rear interior removed. RB header+midpipe+race muffler. 17x9 rpf1, 245square. AEM intake, PC680 battery. Bride driver seat, roll bar, blown Stance Coilovers, porterfield R4-1 pads.

Buttonwillow CW#13 2:06.03 on Hankook RS3
Nice time.
Blown coilovers?

We need a west coast RX-8 track date with all the cars on here now :-)
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Originally Posted by blu3dragon View Post
Nice, that's a quick time at Thunderhill. (I'm not as familiar with BW lap times).
Thanks! I watched a few of your videos before my day at thunderhill to get an idea of the lines.

Here's a link to my fastest lap of session 3
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Old 11-09-2016, 07:30 PM
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VIRginia International Raceway (VIR) Grand West Configuration (same as Car & Driver annual Lightning Lap)
Best time - 3:06:09
Device: Android, Racechrono, Garmin GLO


This laptime is some 10 seconds better than what the pro driver did in the 2009 RX-8 R3.

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Old 11-09-2016, 07:39 PM
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Dominion Raceway NASA TTD Lap Record
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Old 11-10-2016, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by hufflepuff View Post
This laptime is some 10 seconds better than what the pro driver did in the 2009 RX-8 R3.
I think I recall from that article that they were fighting brake fade. Abused press car I'm guessing, I could get by on 100% stock brakes with mine. The OEM tires are also very much not great tires.
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Old 11-10-2016, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by kbrewmr2 View Post
I think I recall from that article that they were fighting brake fade. Abused press car I'm guessing, I could get by on 100% stock brakes with mine. The OEM tires are also very much not great tires.
For sure. I thought people might be interested in knowing how a lightly modified example would compare to a stock R3.
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Old 11-11-2016, 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by hufflepuff View Post
This laptime is some 10 seconds better than what the pro driver did in the 2009 RX-8 R3.
Nice job! Tires/conditions/other mods obviously come into play, but you are clearly on it to be that much quicker :-)
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Keep the videos coming - I need more coercion to start racing my RX8
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Originally Posted by hufflepuff View Post
VIRginia International Raceway (VIR) Grand West Configuration (same as Car & Driver annual Lightning Lap)
Best time - 3:06:09
Device: Android, Racechrono, Garmin GLO

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d02PBcdPzPI

This laptime is some 10 seconds better than what the pro driver did in the 2009 RX-8 R3.
Very impressive. I assume (as a track newbie) that you ran without traction control or stability on. Just watching impresses me at how the RX8 handles relative to other cars.
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Old 11-18-2016, 05:02 PM
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Hufflepuff was my instructor at VIR full course Nov 3rd. I was in the beginner group. We never really had what I would call a flying lap, but just going off elapsed times on the video my quickest lap was in my first session, a 2:28 with just a little traffic


I looked at a couple of split laps where I took the "no traffic" parts of two laps and spliced them together and got a best of ~2:25 for both of them.


I don't have really any heel toe downshifting skills and I overheated and delaminated my clutch disc and need to replace it. I was not able to participate the second day in my own car but Hufflepuff let me take his car out for a go on the grand course which was awesome!


Now I know what to work on over the winter :-)


I'll post video whenever I get it uploaded.
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Originally Posted by Nathan Atkins View Post
I looked at a couple of split laps where I took the "no traffic" parts of two laps and spliced them together and got a best of ~2:25 for both of them.

I don't have really any heel toe downshifting skills and I overheated and delaminated my clutch disc and need to replace it. I was not able to participate the second day in my own car but Hufflepuff let me take his car out for a go on the grand course which was awesome!
Nice work! I need to get back down there too. Maybe we can form a gang and beat-up on some p-cars and BMW's there next Summer.

Don't waste your time with heel-toe on the track. Not needed on any synchro transmission make since the 1960's if you down shift right and at the right time. I only heel-toe on the street and only for fun.

Since you burned up your clutch, your shifting technique must change. If you do it right, the clutch should last the life of the car (unless you drag race). Nearly 80k miles on mine including something like 5000 on-track, none of it using heel-toe. Still works just fine.
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Old 11-21-2016, 05:48 PM
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uhh, I think you're confusing heel-toe and double clutching.

Heel and Toe is absolutely a skill to work on, lest you want to upset the car drastically under braking. Matching the revs with the blip of the throttle just before letting the clutch out in the lower gear kills the sudden engine braking effect you'll get otherwise from the big mis-match of speeds. I've had it upset cars before, it's not the most fun thing in the world. Some ABS systems can sort it out, but it's still not nice to parts (like the clutch...).

Double clutching is the skill where you're basically shifting to neutral (w clutch out) in between the actual shifts between gears. That's something you'd need for an unsynchronized gearbox which are exceedingly rare these days.

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Originally Posted by wannawankel View Post
Very impressive. I assume (as a track newbie) that you ran without traction control or stability on. Just watching impresses me at how the RX8 handles relative to other cars.
I have the base model without DSC or TCS. So you are correct.
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our rx8 at charlotte for 14hr event in august


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Originally Posted by kbrewmr2 View Post
uhh, I think you're confusing heel-toe and double clutching. [...]

- KB, (former) instructor, approx 200-250 track hours, 10 seasons racing, yadda yadda.
Nope.

- WB, current instructor, over 500 track hours, 10+ seasons racing, etc.
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Originally Posted by wankelbolt View Post
Nope.

- WB, current instructor, over 500 track hours, 10+ seasons racing, etc.
Lol, do you guys need some gloves? :-)

My own humble opinion:
  • double clutching - not needed.
  • heel and toe - useful and even required to extract maximum speed in certain turns, but not required when starting out.

- BD, current instructor, racer, student, etc :-D

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Originally Posted by coolcars44 View Post
our rx8 at charlotte for 14hr event in august
Awesome stuff.
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Originally Posted by blu3dragon View Post
Lol, do you guys need some gloves? :-)

My own humble opinion:
  • double clutching - not needed.
  • heel and toe - useful and even required to extract maximum speed in certain turns, but not required when starting out.

- BD, current instructor, racer, student, etc :-D
Seconded. Especially without ABS. If you're just hucking a stockish RX8 around sure go with the hamfisted downsifts if you like

It's been my experience in prior and current cars that not upsetting the chassis under braking and especially at or near turn in improved pure single lap times, total race pace, and increased mechanical sympathy. None of those things are negative.

Don't waste your time with heel-toe on the track. Not needed on any synchro transmission make since the 1960's if you down shift right and at the right time. I only heel-toe on the street and only for fun.
Never claimed to know everything, so school me/us.
WHY
HOW

Drop some tech/knowledge. I'm impress-able

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Old 12-07-2016, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by kbrewmr2 View Post
Seconded. Especially without ABS. If you're just hucking a stockish RX8 around sure go with the hamfisted downsifts if you like
That's my point: If you shift correctly, with finesse, at the correct time, I think there is no need to heel-toe in most cars.

If you are hamfisted with no finesse, then yes, you may need to heel-toe to keep from swapping ends.

never drive anything mid or rear engine (or even a generally tail happy car regardless of layout) without ABS please
Does an RX-8 with a horrifying alignment resulting in toe-out on the rear wheels count? That was fun.

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And that correct time would be when exactly?
Clutch in coasting from initial braking application through after turn in perhaps?

Just trying to understand what "not necessary" means for you here is all

Cheers.

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Loki - can you update my laguna time? From 1:55.012 above to 1:52.14 this past weekend, same setup on the PSS. wheeeeee
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