MX-5 and RX-8 could merge
12-16-2011, 05:10 PM
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BTW...the new TOYBARU!!..Both are NOT A CONVERTIBLE!
Why is everyone (press) comparing it to an MX-5 or Miata???
They are NOTHING like a Miata..
Give Mazda a chance, they are just starting to re-generate their entire range...
So what you think the new Mazda 6 (Takeri) looks like a Toyota??
Heard of the CX-5???....ALL world journalist are saying it is a game changer and keeps Mazda Zoom Zoom HANDLING philosphy...
better than any other same size SUV on the market...this is what they are saying, and they have tested the CX-5.
GG you guys talk crap!
Why is everyone (press) comparing it to an MX-5 or Miata???
They are NOTHING like a Miata..
Give Mazda a chance, they are just starting to re-generate their entire range...
So what you think the new Mazda 6 (Takeri) looks like a Toyota??
Heard of the CX-5???....ALL world journalist are saying it is a game changer and keeps Mazda Zoom Zoom HANDLING philosphy...
better than any other same size SUV on the market...this is what they are saying, and they have tested the CX-5.
GG you guys talk crap!
12-16-2011, 05:23 PM
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I gotta say Ash, your posts come across quite emotional 
I'm actually seriously considering a Subaru BRZ. From all of the test drive reviews, tt's driving and handling is more like an 8 than it is like a Miata, but it's size is more like a Miata than an 8. That's an appealing combination to me. True, it's still not a rotary, but there is still quite a bit of appeal for me. A test drive will determine if I disregard, trade in my Miata for it, or just add it as a 3rd RWD sports car. I could easily see it being my daily driver since I'm on the edge of picking up a job that will give me >180 mile commute several times per week. The ~50% mileage improvement over the 8 can make quite a difference, without having to get a boring car to drive.
Why consider that instead of a Miata with roughly similar mileage?
My 99 Miata is a bit too raw for me to thoroughly enjoy at those kind of driving distances (plus the engine is failing...). I also have to contend with winter and lots of precipitation, which heavily mitigates the daily benefit of a convertible. I could opt for an NC with a PRHT, but then we are into the same weight ranges as the BRZ, lower power, and I still don't have a rotary in it.
But then, this job just might give me the space and the funding to replace the failing engine in my Miata with a Renny
I'm actually seriously considering a Subaru BRZ. From all of the test drive reviews, tt's driving and handling is more like an 8 than it is like a Miata, but it's size is more like a Miata than an 8. That's an appealing combination to me. True, it's still not a rotary, but there is still quite a bit of appeal for me. A test drive will determine if I disregard, trade in my Miata for it, or just add it as a 3rd RWD sports car. I could easily see it being my daily driver since I'm on the edge of picking up a job that will give me >180 mile commute several times per week. The ~50% mileage improvement over the 8 can make quite a difference, without having to get a boring car to drive.
Why consider that instead of a Miata with roughly similar mileage?
My 99 Miata is a bit too raw for me to thoroughly enjoy at those kind of driving distances (plus the engine is failing...). I also have to contend with winter and lots of precipitation, which heavily mitigates the daily benefit of a convertible. I could opt for an NC with a PRHT, but then we are into the same weight ranges as the BRZ, lower power, and I still don't have a rotary in it.
But then, this job just might give me the space and the funding to replace the failing engine in my Miata with a Renny
12-16-2011, 05:27 PM
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Emotional....lol..OK
12-16-2011, 05:28 PM
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BRZ, FRS or Genny Coupe 2013 here. I loved my RX8 but after two dead engines it's time to move on. Just waiting for these cars to come out so I can test drive them and make up my mind. I have a feeling though that the BRZ and FRS won't make the cut unless they release higher output cars from TRD or STI.
12-16-2011, 05:32 PM
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Well good for you RIWWP....I hope you enjoy the test drive, prefer the look of the Toyota, the Subbie looks a little daft (Grille) IMO .....but is is not a Miata is it...now IF it had a drop top or a retractable plastic roof, we could claim it to be a competitor..
But then in 12 months the new ND will be out so................the Toyota-zation of Mazda continues...what a load of BS.
But then in 12 months the new ND will be out so................the Toyota-zation of Mazda continues...what a load of BS.
12-16-2011, 05:44 PM
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No offense intended. It's just the impression that your posts usually give. Lots and lots of emotional energy put into them (and I don't mean crying your eyes out...just... passionate). Not really sure if that's the state you actually have when typing them, but that's the way it appears Well good for you RIWWP....I hope you enjoy the test drive, prefer the look of the Toyota, the Subbie looks a little daft (Grille) IMO .....but is is not a Miata is it...now IF it had a drop top or a retractable plastic roof, we could claim it to be a competitor..
But then in 12 months the new ND will be out so................the Toyota-zation of Mazda continues...what a load of BS.
But then in 12 months the new ND will be out so................the Toyota-zation of Mazda continues...what a load of BS.
However, I simply can not send money to Toyota. Not after my personal history with them. It's not even the car issues I had, because I realize that stuff happens. It's how they handled it, the finger pointing and inter-company blame game that left me holding the bill even though they acknowledged it wasn't my fault at all. Their mess with the "Toyota: Moving forward, even when you don't want to" bit brought to public light how incapable they are at dealing with post-purchase issues. All comfortably swathed in decades of reputation as bulletproof cars made them neglect how to address things when they go wrong.
I just can't send them any of my money.
Plus the FR-S, being the cheaper of the variants, will have a bias of people that are stretching their funding and income to make the purchase happen, meaning a lower maturity level in general. I also expect the FR-S insurance rates to quickly become higher than the BRZ.
I mean come on. Take a car that is already easy to toss around. Adjust the suspension to make it intentionally oversteer easily. Add economy tires with super low grip. Then price it as the lowest priced variant, badge it with a brand that markets to kids, who have no idea how to actually control oversteer.
Yeah, there are going to be quite a few new FR-Ss wrapped around roadside objects shortly after purchase. If I get a BRZ, it's not leaving the dealer without sticky rubber on it. No appetite at all for low grip Prius tires (literally, that is what Scion is putting on, no hints at Subaru's choice yet, but possibly the same)
12-16-2011, 08:08 PM
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lol....in the mazda sport line
especially NC and SE3P
they each need to add another 100 hp to stay in the game...
270hp NC can nail down the S2k easily
330hp RX8 can nail down the 370z easily
both have better chassis than other sports cars
especially NC and SE3P
they each need to add another 100 hp to stay in the game...
270hp NC can nail down the S2k easily
330hp RX8 can nail down the 370z easily
both have better chassis than other sports cars
12-16-2011, 08:47 PM
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.... Really my Toyota-ization comment of Mazda is spot on. Let me count the ways ... new SUV giving THREE SUVs total (check), new sedan (almost check), new styling on mini soccer mom van (check), new urban eco car (check)..... that's fairly full range of everyones normal cars......but no new hardtop RWD sport car ... aaaah ... nope, not a whisper.... not a concept... not nothing even planned apparently - just hopes and dreams... IOW Mazda will have a full roster of likeable cars .... including a new roadster one day .... just nothing to compete with ANY of the hardtop sports cars in the marketplace. Sounds like Toyota of the recent past.
Nice as it is, the current MX-5 doesn't cut it as Mazda's halo sports car, the 'new one' is an unknown, and even our beloved RX-8 was pretty week in the halo dept., sadly... and it's history anyway.
Meanwhile... Toyota on the other hand is selling a new sports car (GT-86/FR-S) with stated goals for one below that (MX-5 competition?) and one above that (Supra like?). Even rumblings of an affordable Lexus sports car are being heard.
Toyota's new marketing: "Give form to the instrinic joy of driving." "Tribute to sports car heritage." "Passion is back". That sounds like some serious zoom-zoom mojo to me. If I didn't know it wasn't, I'd think that was Mazda talk.... but they're stuck with "zoom-zoom", which is a bit of a misnomer, =since they don't have much of it for sale.
Facts is facts...
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12-16-2011, 09:00 PM
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BRZ, FRS or Genny Coupe 2013 here. I loved my RX8 but after two dead engines it's time to move on. Just waiting for these cars to come out so I can test drive them and make up my mind. I have a feeling though that the BRZ and FRS won't make the cut unless they release higher output cars from TRD or STI.
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02-01-2012, 06:34 AM
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In a good example of capitalism at work, the auto makers are supporting the EPA and its rules I believe as they see it as a way to sell more cars. The average age of cars in the US is something like 10 yerars old..... Marketing is marketing, if you aren't marketing hot performance, then use great/improving economy, or low polution cars - anything in particular will do - if people can be convinced they should want it. If they can - it's a win for them. That's all they care about - sales - anyway they can get them. The EPA isn't the enemy some think - although if it had a 'rotary exception" ... 
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02-01-2012, 04:03 PM
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I had one!
Not only did I own a rare 1990 Vert, I also 5-speed swapped that ******!
I got pics, but from BEFORE the digital age, and I don't have a scanner, so excuse the blurriness. (I was also 17, so excuse the rice, rofl.)
1-2. The day I took her home.
3. Auto
4. Stick
5. Last know shots before her untimely death. (See I got "older" and took the wing off lol)
02-01-2012, 06:46 PM
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Nice......I never owned one but drove a few customers cars at service...not many sold here.
..I never owned one but drove a few customers cars at service...not many sold here.
02-01-2012, 07:09 PM
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The convertible RX-7 is fun but a little heavy. A Miata is equally as fun in most ways and superior in others.
Hopefully our RE-MX5 will be finished soon so we can enjoy the best of both worlds now.
Paul.
Hopefully our RE-MX5 will be finished soon so we can enjoy the best of both worlds now.
Paul.
02-02-2012, 06:09 AM
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^ If your talking about the FB, with the 12a? The auto vert is defiantly slower. Lets put it like this. I went against a 90's ford expedition with the "Triton v8" (sp?) when I was auto. I was able to pass him, but by the skin of my teeth. And this wasn't from a dead stop, we were already going +50mph.
Not sure what years are what series, but I driven a 79 fb (12a carb) for about a week on and off before getting my first fc. And the FB had a fair amount of power, in my opinion, compared to my s4 5-speed.
Not sure what years are what series, but I driven a 79 fb (12a carb) for about a week on and off before getting my first fc. And the FB had a fair amount of power, in my opinion, compared to my s4 5-speed.
02-02-2012, 07:10 AM
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I still can't understand why Mazda ceased RX-8 production without having a more near future plan for its replacement. But then Toyota did the same with the Celica (until recently) and Honda with the S2000 (no planned replacement at present of which I am aware).
Personally I would buy a rotary powered MX-5. But I could also see an electric vehicle with a single rotor as the generator, which I would prefer to say the pure electric Tesla.
Personally I would buy a rotary powered MX-5. But I could also see an electric vehicle with a single rotor as the generator, which I would prefer to say the pure electric Tesla.
02-02-2012, 09:05 AM
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I haven't driven a newer MX-5, but I have driven some old ones and honestly, they are too small for me. I liked everything about the car, it just needed to be a little bit bigger. Kinda like the fc vert, but the fc vert should have only came turbo'ed, I know it came turbo'ed in Japan. Why do we always get screwed in America... 
