Mazda sells 156 RX-8s nationwide in January
02-16-2009, 06:12 PM
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you mean what VISTA was to xp and windows 7 
Example, Vista is Ram hungry (Gas for the rx-8) and had many problems in the beginning... (hint hint TSB updates??) But now it's all done, Vista is fine and more reliable then it was in the beginning.
Also think of it when people went back to XP because Vista sucked, just like Mazda stayed with the FD when it came to JGTC.
Hope that made sense.
Example, Vista is Ram hungry (Gas for the rx-8) and had many problems in the beginning... (hint hint TSB updates??) But now it's all done, Vista is fine and more reliable then it was in the beginning.
Also think of it when people went back to XP because Vista sucked, just like Mazda stayed with the FD when it came to JGTC.
Hope that made sense.
02-16-2009, 06:52 PM
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people have been claiming the end of the 8 since 2004. i suppose if they keep saying it long enough it they will be right
kinda like economic stimulus packages- if the economy eventually gets better the stimulus MUST have worked. right?
kinda like economic stimulus packages- if the economy eventually gets better the stimulus MUST have worked. right?
02-17-2009, 08:22 AM
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The RX-8 isn't going anywhere for at least a couple more years.
02-17-2009, 12:28 PM
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Shiiiiit. Comparing the 8 to Windows ME should be punishable by death penalty. You couldn't even look at the monitor without ME crashing. The 8 is great, but yes, we may want more power, less CO2 and shutting up Nissan's.
02-17-2009, 12:51 PM
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02-17-2009, 12:52 PM
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"Sounds like a B grade American sports car to me."
RX8s are more of a niche market, for people who have an appreciation for "fun to drive cars" It's a bit more pricey than domestic, of course... and of course there are far fewer crashes reported with the RX8 (less market saturation - ya I know) than with the domestic Mustang.
Doesn't crash as often, niche market, more expensive, brilliant human design, fun to operate..... yup! that's a Mac!
lol "flame suit on"
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02-17-2009, 01:34 PM
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I like the way you think!
Yeah I'm on this train of thought too. Windows ME was one of the worst operating systems I've tried. It's made by a HUGE American manufacturer, and it's bulky, and can't multi task very well. It's always falling apart, or at least keeps getting slower and slower every day... Hmmmmmm....
"Sounds like a B grade American sports car to me."
RX8s are more of a niche market, for people who have an appreciation for "fun to drive cars" It's a bit more pricey than domestic, of course... and of course there are far fewer crashes reported with the RX8 (less market saturation - ya I know) than with the domestic Mustang.
Doesn't crash as often, niche market, more expensive, brilliant human design, fun to operate..... yup! that's a Mac!
lol "flame suit on"
"Sounds like a B grade American sports car to me."
RX8s are more of a niche market, for people who have an appreciation for "fun to drive cars" It's a bit more pricey than domestic, of course... and of course there are far fewer crashes reported with the RX8 (less market saturation - ya I know) than with the domestic Mustang.
Doesn't crash as often, niche market, more expensive, brilliant human design, fun to operate..... yup! that's a Mac!
lol "flame suit on"
02-18-2009, 01:55 PM
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Every car model is facing a decline. Even Honda & Nissan face a 31% decline from jan 08. MINI that is a huge mass appeal saw a ~35% decline. Honda sold a grand total of 65 S2000 in all of 2008 in Canada. Yes Sixty Five. It is important to determine the relativity to other car model sales. 
Kinda sad, a 40% decline from January 2008.
The only upside is that it looks like the Series II is becoming an "unintentional" limited edition (due, obviously, to the economy...I think it is a great refresh).
So there might be well under 2000 RX-8s sold in the US this year if this keeps up, which means worldwide production will probably be under 5000. That's Ferrari-like exclusivity.
I hope Mazda actually produces a 2010 model (maybe with some new colors or return of the Shinka trim), as some manufacturers are skipping a model year (for example, no 2009 Evo).
http://mazdausamedia.com/content/maz...ary-2009-sales
The only upside is that it looks like the Series II is becoming an "unintentional" limited edition (due, obviously, to the economy...I think it is a great refresh).
So there might be well under 2000 RX-8s sold in the US this year if this keeps up, which means worldwide production will probably be under 5000. That's Ferrari-like exclusivity.
I hope Mazda actually produces a 2010 model (maybe with some new colors or return of the Shinka trim), as some manufacturers are skipping a model year (for example, no 2009 Evo).
http://mazdausamedia.com/content/maz...ary-2009-sales
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02-18-2009, 09:26 PM
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For Pete's sake! ME!?! 
Fugeddaboutit!
Win95B = Series 1 (1979-84)
Win98SE = Series 2 (-89)
Windows ME = the gap between ...
Windows 2000 = FC / Series 3 (all GO, no utility)
XP = RX-8 (Show + go)
Vista = FI RX-8
(Gas guzzler, hella power, finicky!)
Fugeddaboutit!Win95B = Series 1 (1979-84)
Win98SE = Series 2 (-89)
Windows ME = the gap between ...
Windows 2000 = FC / Series 3 (all GO, no utility)
XP = RX-8 (Show + go)
Vista = FI RX-8
(Gas guzzler, hella power, finicky!)
02-18-2009, 11:33 PM
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From what I have been told the rear end changes for the 2009 MX-5 and RX-8 are not sufficient to meet the 2011 Federally mandated side rear impact standards.
So, Mazda has two choices either you spend more money and redesign a old old body, or you sell your remaining 2010 old stock until you can roll out the 2011 or 2012 new model.
This is what they have done in the past. For example the 1995 model year RX-7 was sold through most of 1996, just like the 1991 RX-7 was sold through the first half of 1992.
I was told 6 months ago that the new replacement model is slated for a Jan 2011 launch of the 2012 model. But that was before the market really got bad so who knows what the board has decided now.
02-19-2009, 12:22 AM
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ohio gozaimas!
Wow, you guys are nerds. And that is coming from a huge, certifiable nerd.
I feel like I should nerd this up some more.
Redhat = Series 1 (1979-84)
SUSE = Series 2 (-89)
Debian = FC / Series 3 (all GO, no utility)
Ubuntu = RX-8 (Show + go)
Mint = Next gen rotary.
I feel like I should nerd this up some more.
Redhat = Series 1 (1979-84)
SUSE = Series 2 (-89)
Debian = FC / Series 3 (all GO, no utility)
Ubuntu = RX-8 (Show + go)
Mint = Next gen rotary.
02-19-2009, 08:24 AM
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02-19-2009, 10:15 AM
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From what I have been told the rear end changes for the 2009 MX-5 and RX-8 are not sufficient to meet the 2011 Federally mandated side rear impact standards.
So, Mazda has two choices either you spend more money and redesign a old old body, or you sell your remaining 2010 old stock until you can roll out the 2011 or 2012 new model.
***snip***
I was told 6 months ago that the new replacement model is slated for a Jan 2011 launch of the 2012 model. But that was before the market really got bad so who knows what the board has decided now.
So, Mazda has two choices either you spend more money and redesign a old old body, or you sell your remaining 2010 old stock until you can roll out the 2011 or 2012 new model.
***snip***
I was told 6 months ago that the new replacement model is slated for a Jan 2011 launch of the 2012 model. But that was before the market really got bad so who knows what the board has decided now.
- you know im aware of the rear bumper issue. I have even been trying to get Mazda on record saying the new MX-5 has or hasnt been upgraded with that in mind.But yeah we should make sure that it is clear in these threads because it does effect the whole discussion.
02-19-2009, 05:19 PM
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btw a newish article about 2011 changes
http://www.automotive-fleet.com/Blog...n-2011-MY.aspx
Mark Rechtin's article
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...7/1024/podcast
Hey Ice speaking of Mark- did you know he's relocated to Munich and is covering Europe now? Peugeot's and Fiats he says..
http://www.automotive-fleet.com/Blog...n-2011-MY.aspx
Mark Rechtin's article
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dl...7/1024/podcast
Hey Ice speaking of Mark- did you know he's relocated to Munich and is covering Europe now? Peugeot's and Fiats he says..
02-19-2009, 09:45 PM
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From Mr. Barnes there is more to this email - im leaving relevant bits in other threads
there is more to this email - im leaving relevant bits in other threads
Hey Charlie – happy to comment.
- Rear impact: the 2009 MX-5 underwent a number of changes to the engine, suspension, interior and exterior, but not to the chassis. I cannot comment on anything regarding the 2011 crash requirements.
Hope these help, Charlie.
J.
- Rear impact: the 2009 MX-5 underwent a number of changes to the engine, suspension, interior and exterior, but not to the chassis. I cannot comment on anything regarding the 2011 crash requirements.
Hope these help, Charlie.
J.
02-20-2009, 10:26 AM
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Does anyone know whether the current chassis (of the RX-8 or MX-5) could be strengthened by the factory---with welded- or bolted-on structures---to meet these upcoming standards? Or would the entire unibody have to be redesigned? Certainly, the former option would be a lot cheaper for Mazda.
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02-21-2009, 07:11 PM
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This info has already been out there on the 09 MX-5 some weeks ago, the PR guys tells us nothing then what we already know...because he does not no any more than we do....
I am going to spend some time just checking exactly what has changed in the rear end/side of the 09 RX-8 compared to 08's on my EPC... at a guess not much in the "strength" area., apart from the known cosmetics.
02-21-2009, 07:13 PM
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Does anyone know whether the current chassis (of the RX-8 or MX-5) could be strengthened by the factory---with welded- or bolted-on structures---to meet these upcoming standards? Or would the entire unibody have to be redesigned? Certainly, the former option would be a lot cheaper for Mazda.
Just gone through the changes to rear inner bumper...no change..
also no change to...
Rear end Panels
Side Sill panels
Inner Rear Quarter Panels
Boot Floor
Basically no change on the 09 MY, there are some minor end letter changes that supersede, but no model code changes to part numbers which is the norm.
So, I am almost certain that if there are new Standards for the US Rear collision, it ain't happened yet to the RX-8.
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02-21-2009, 10:27 PM
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no Ash you miss the point. He previously spoke to me on this point on the RX-8 and told me it had not been changed for 2011. Now he has confirmed to me- and only at this late date because i didnt ask him previously - that 2010 mx-5 has also not had any changes to the rear. He also would not comment on the 2011 standard. IF they ALREADY met that standard Mazda would be trumpeting how they already meet future safety standards.
Because he isn't we know they don't- as other press contacts believe- and can be assured of some change in 2011 MY(US MY) or a skipped MY.
Because he isn't we know they don't- as other press contacts believe- and can be assured of some change in 2011 MY(US MY) or a skipped MY.