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Old 09-12-2006, 02:35 PM
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heh, I'd rather rent a 3 or a Pro5...
I'd definitely rather have a 3 as long as its an S. Better gas mileage and more fun!
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I'm sorry if this is a repost, but you guys got to around 108 pages on this thread before I saw it. Does this have anything to do with my 2006 (made during this period) having the check engine light come on every 780-790 miles? I only have 1600 miles on the car, but it is looking like clock work so far. The dealer claimed to reflash my computer to get it up to date the last time, but it doesn't seem like it worked. I also have carbon on my tail pipes (inside, and lip on the bottom), but I don't seem to burn any oil at all. I have never added oil, and the dipstick is still showing it at the top of the recommended level.

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There's got to be a loop hole in the some where for Mazda not to have to cover this recall after a given mileage or time frame. Since a number of people on here keep saying if I have I choice, and my car's running fine NOW, but fails the test, I don't want a reman, then what's to keep those guys from waiting 5 years from now and another 100K on the engine, which would be a tired engine anyway and then take it in and say, can I get that recall done?

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Sure you do. Recalls NEVER require that your car be still covered under its warranty.
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Old 09-12-2006, 08:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Duke15
I'm sorry if this is a repost, but you guys got to around 108 pages on this thread before I saw it. Does this have anything to do with my 2006 (made during this period) having the check engine light come on every 780-790 miles? I only have 1600 miles on the car, but it is looking like clock work so far. The dealer claimed to reflash my computer to get it up to date the last time, but it doesn't seem like it worked. I also have carbon on my tail pipes (inside, and lip on the bottom), but I don't seem to burn any oil at all. I have never added oil, and the dipstick is still showing it at the top of the recommended level.

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This is another LINK to one of the recall Docs you will receive. But with 1600 miles I doubt you will get another motor. As for the dirty tail pipes that is normal for all 8's. I don't have that issue anymore but I add Premix to my fuel tank ( just search for premix ). Your CEL has nothing to do with this. Some people will fail the tests and get another motor never having a CEL. What did the dealer say the Check light was for?

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car goes in tomorrow, wish me luck, if this doesn't work out I may kiss the canary goodbye and pony up for a Z4 coupe, I'm tired of my car not being right due to things out of my control like wrecks,recalls, hail damage etc. and so I may be in for a fresh start w/ something else.
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I was at Rosenthal Mazda tonight and was talking to the service manager about this recall. According to him the recall does not apply to people with aftermarket modifications. I tried explaining this is a recall and not warranty work, but according to him it doesn't matter. Now I don't know to what extent your car has to be modded before it's an issue, but according to him, those with turbo's definitely don't qualify.
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Old 09-12-2006, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Tim Benton
There's got to be a loop hole in the some where for Mazda not to have to cover this recall after a given mileage or time frame. Since a number of people on here keep saying if I have I choice, and my car's running fine NOW, but fails the test, I don't want a reman, then what's to keep those guys from waiting 5 years from now and another 100K on the engine, which would be a tired engine anyway and then take it in and say, can I get that recall done?

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Good point. Probably will be a deadline on this recall? March 1, 2007 is a magic date on the addendum letter to the dealerships regarding the rental car. I dunno. It's not a safety related recall, so isn't it true that if it's not a safety related recall it doesn't have to be permanently active (as opposed to say the safety belt recall for FC's).

But anyway, that's different than a guy who brings in his RX-8 real soon with high mileage. There's no meniton that I have seen regarding any limit on vehicle mileage.

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Old 09-12-2006, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by rkostolni
I was at Rosenthal Mazda tonight and was talking to the service manager about this recall. According to him the recall does not apply to people with aftermarket modifications. I tried explaining this is a recall and not warranty work, but according to him it doesn't matter. Now I don't know to what extent your car has to be modded before it's an issue, but according to him, those with turbo's definitely don't qualify.
Go to a different dealer.
Each dealer can decide how much they will care about mods.
Try the other Rosenthal in Gaithersburg.
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Just got my service done today. I watched them do it and looked over the MazdaUSA paperwork (the service manager is a National Guard Officer like myself). This is the way I saw it...According to the paperwork...which includes a flow chart, the technicians have a specific order of tasks to perform. The first test is hooking up the computer and reading downloaded info. This occurs with the car not running. If the numbers from the catalytic converter are out of the specified range, work is stopped and a new engine ordered. My car passed, so a new flash was downloaded to increase oil volume into the block. After this is complete, the "leading" spark plugs on each side are replaced (two total). They had a couple of other scenarios in the flow chart, but I didn't memorize them (they actually had me worried for a moment, when they said I needed a new battery and starter...but I have an 05 and it hasn't had any starting issues).
The entire process took about an hour and I didn't see anything about technicians driving the vehicle around and free gas like others have mentioned.

One thing they didn't do was replace my blown off side vent cover when they said they would have it.

I hope everyone has a quick experience like I had.
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Old 09-12-2006, 10:57 PM
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^^ No need to memorize the flow chart. It has been posted here a bunch of times.

https://www.rx8club.com/attachment.p...chmentid=84051

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Old 09-13-2006, 02:25 AM
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I was at Rosenthal Mazda tonight and was talking to the service manager about this recall. According to him the recall does not apply to people with aftermarket modifications. I tried explaining this is a recall and not warranty work, but according to him it doesn't matter. Now I don't know to what extent your car has to be modded before it's an issue, but according to him, those with turbo's definitely don't qualify.
I spoke with my local dealer (Surf City Mazda - formerly Heritage Mazda in Huntington Beach) regarding TSB's - motormounts and starter (before this engine recall was "officially" announced) and he said he could not do any TSB's on a car with a Turbo, then marked the cause of every one of my complaints as "aftermarket turbo" on the paperwork...lame. I then called Mazda NAO and the customer service rep told me over the phone that this is what Mazda tells the dealers, no warranty work with aftermarket mods (read: installed turbo). The rep DID say that if I were to bring it back to the dealer in "factory configuration" (read: removing the turbo) that they would have to do the work then. When I asked specifically about the impending engine recall he said the same would apply. I asked if it showed that I needed a new engine during the tests whether or not I could get one since everyone knows i "did" have a turbo on there, to which he replied - "No problem, if you need the new engine, you would get it, as long as the turbo was taken off before taking it in". He then suggested that there are other dealers in the area that I could try taking the car too before removing the turbo....interesting.
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Old 09-13-2006, 07:45 AM
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I dropped mine off Monday morning for low idle issues that I have been having for some time now. They called me at around 4 in the afternoon to let me know that it failed every one of the tests performed and that I had a "new" engine on order and that I should have my car back by the end of next week. It's kinda funny because everyone has been talking about how the this engine replacement was going to affect those on the west and gulf coast the most...I live in NC and called 4 dealerships in the area and they have a total of 45 cars that need engine replacement. Kinda strange! Maybe Mazda was just blowing smoke up everyones asses to hide the truth about this mass recall???
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Old 09-13-2006, 08:36 AM
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I hope to find out more about mine today, dropped it off this morning and they loaned me a CX-7, pretty cool ride, just sits too high for my tastes My car already had some other issues from my wreck that were never corrected (for whatever reason...ugh) so I should hear something tomorrow or late today.
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Old 09-13-2006, 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by expo1
This is another LINK to one of the recall Docs you will receive. But with 1600 miles I doubt you will get another motor. As for the dirty tail pipes that is normal for all 8's. I don't have that issue anymore but I add Premix to my fuel tank ( just search for premix ). Your CEL has nothing to do with this. Some people will fail the tests and get another motor never having a CEL. What did the dealer say the Check light was for?

He said I was missing the emmisions flash. Its going back in for the recall and the CEL. I'm hoping the recall flash will simply catch everything up to date (like a service pack verses a hot fix for microsoft) and I won't have to worry about any flashes my dealer failed to do prior to delivery.
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Old 09-13-2006, 10:29 AM
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Originally Posted by rkostolni
I was at Rosenthal Mazda tonight and was talking to the service manager about this recall. According to him the recall does not apply to people with aftermarket modifications. I tried explaining this is a recall and not warranty work, but according to him it doesn't matter. Now I don't know to what extent your car has to be modded before it's an issue, but according to him, those with turbo's definitely don't qualify.

OH WHY OH WHY DID I PUT CLEAR CORNERS ON!!!!!

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Old 09-13-2006, 10:51 AM
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So I assume the recalls are being staggered so that everyone everywhere isn't bringing their cars in at once. Is there a list somewhere that shows when each region gets their recall? I got my paperwork saying the warranty had been extended, but nothing about the recall.

Now I'm happy I listened to my RX7 buddies about premixing with a rotary engine.
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Old 09-13-2006, 10:55 AM
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i like the clears...some dont tho obviously
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I havn't received my recall letter yet (in the Midwest). But I was over due for an oil change, and wanted to get the engine mount TSB taken care of.. So I sheduled an appointment for today and mentioned the recall.

When I got in to the dealer this morning, they of course knew about the recall but said they preformed one a week ago and Mazda got upset with them and told them they could not perform the recall yet. (Which I'm sure made the customer and them happy.)

So the first service advisor told me I would have to come back for the recall in a week or so, then the head manager came out and told him that as of last night Mazda will now authorize the recall here. (AFAIK, the dealer has no reason to lie about this.. so what's the deal w/ Mazda?) I intentionally waited as long as I could since I knew the MW wasn't going to be the first.. but I hate having to drive to the dealer for just an oil change.

(And before anyone tells me to do the oil change myself.. saving $5 on an oil change by doing it myself simply isn't worth the effort.... now transmission, diff, etc those are worth the money to do myself!)
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Old 09-13-2006, 11:06 AM
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(And before anyone tells me to do the oil change myself.. saving $5 on an oil change by doing it myself simply isn't worth the effort.... now transmission, diff, etc those are worth the money to do myself!)
I think most people change their own oil to make sure it's done right, not to save money. Dealerships & Quick Lube places have messed up oil changes.
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Old 09-13-2006, 01:29 PM
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Can you PM me which dealership that was fray? Or I'll just post something on the MN boards.
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alcimedes, it's on the MN board. I'd rather not post it here since I like my dealership (for the most part)
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Has anybody taken their car in CA?
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nevermind, I called a Great Valley Mazda in Sacramento and they told me to bring it in
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Just picked up my car from the dealer. All tests done, no problems found. Full tank of gas and reflash, and I got my girl back.
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Cool this tread is Long!!!

WTF this Thread is really long, I don't think I have enough Beers and time to read all of this tonight! I actually stoped at like page 21 or 23! but to add to this guy which I don't think any body reposted to it...

and this is the best written stuff about the reality of the problem...

GOMEZ YOU ROCK!!!!!

this is for the people that wont look at a link...


I wouldn't assume this issue will affect us here.

The US cars have had local engine issues for quite a while now. You need to understand the differences between the US and Australian spec vehicles. They run 5w-20 oil. They have to, their EPA demands it. They demand it because a 5w-20 oil will cause less frictional loss. Less frictional loss means less fuel consumption. Less fuel consumption means cleaner air in Los Angeles....


They have different PCM flashes to us. Their cat converters must last for an incredible 100,000 miles (US EPA mandate....ADR 37-00 requires our cats to last half that [80,000 kms]). This means Mazda have to control the exhaust temperatures to save the cat from too high a temperature. The easiest way to do that is to pour more fuel into the engine. This results in (you guessed it) high emissions and poor economy. There is a very fine balancing act Mazda has to accomplish to satisfy the customer and the EPA.

Many of the problem engines have come from the hot dry states like Nevada. They see temperatures in summer of 40degC for weeks on end. We don't get that here.

We haven't seen engines failures of this type happen here. I don't think we'll get this recall, but it's a wait and see I suppose.

I have an American Spec 8' and I do live In Europe, Germany to be exact! and I haven't had any problems until recently. I bought it used from this guy who sevearly "I'm drunk excuse spelling" babied it! I broke it in at 13500K Miles. It had condisation in it and everything! I ran Fossil Oil in it unitl I broke it in and then moved to Castrol Synthetic 5W20 which the car and manual said was Cool! Talked to a german dealer when it came time to change out because my Engine light was flashing (Dealer said it was "MissFiring in Second Cylender/Rotar" and moved to 5/30 Synthetic) after 2 weeks of driving it (BTW I do Red my line my car every time I go on the AutoBahn, atleast every 3 Days) "Spiritfully" He said don't buy our shiza when you Americans can buy it for cheaper at your place, buy Mobile One! Das is Good! So I've been running it for about 8K now not bad but My cat just ******* Melted and I 'm like Shiza WTF do I do! (Just Learned that Royal Purple is really good for Rotaries as well, it's a definite switch this next Oil Change to 0W30) I was Learning the car in a sliding manner and my CAT died and my car started to spit Blue Flames 2 feet out of the Tips like it was the Night Rider or something! What I'm trying to say is My Car has ran Fine in a higher weight Synthetic for a while without having a single problem until I "Extreamly Push it" RhysMillen Style against Porsches! Which I believe is do to Mobile "Personal Opinion!" So I do beleive that oil weight & Manufacturer is a giant factor to the Vehicles problems also the fact that the vehicle was made to run at Higher RPMs!!! The RX8 Is Half Sports Car/Half Sedan! Mazda did F*@k up with not telling us the Details of the vehicle bluntly, they probably didn't even know!

My Cars almost 23K Manual Trans *04 Model. Does any body think that Mazda will fix my CAT? Or is this the Start of Something really Horribible!? Tell me Now so I can just Sell the Bizatch and get my Dream Car the FD!!!
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