Uhh... it won't destroy the earth from purely mining...

http://www.worldcoal.org/pages/conte...asp?PageID=126

Its not strip mining. It is not like burning acres of rainforests.

 

well then i say we should advance the technology in refining coal into gasoline or oil.

 

If the correct steps are taken coal mining isn't bad, but I'm from northeast PA ("The Molly Maguires" area filmed only 10 miles from my house) and we still have huge open holes, mine fire (destroyed town), and stream and lake pollution from mine drainage (sulfur). Its def another option but steps need to be taken so more areas are not left like this.

Again I'm not saying any of you are wrong.


Also, doesn't garbage decomposition produce methane? Maybe its already done, but harvest methane given off from landfills...? Still doesn't help the CO2 in the atmosphere but maybe another fuel to use?

Very interesting article tho refugeefrompistons

 

Live and learn. The methods have improved. No more strip mining for moral countries.

 

Did you guys miss this or where you just too busy saving the environment to notice it ?

 

there are too many rx7 threads recently.
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yes there is. every day a new one. it is like the "Should i buy and 8" threads

 

what about it?

what renesis 8 said

 

"and will go into the RX-8 next year"

this bit ........

 

look at the other thread https://www.rx8club.com/showthread.p...=1#post2180953 for the answer about the 'new RX-7' haa haa

 

oooooo. well those are only words. we will see. im not gonna count my chickens yet. (i have zero)

 

The 16x better be out by at least 2009 otherwise it's no point. Mazda's rep is falling, by underpowering their sport's car. The 16x is a 20% increase in HP. So it will be in the 280HP to 300HP range. Hyundai will have a 300HP car out for 2009 and the 350z will be at least 325HP.

Wait until 2012 or so, then just FORGET IT. The engine would be another underpowered NA one. By then 350z and Hyundai could be in the 350HP range.

Mazda HP issue = Go FI damn it. Supercharge or Turbo the present engine and you are getting 325HP to 400HP.

 

Are you seriously comparing Hyundai to Mazda? Last I checked, Hyundai was the exact opposite. Mazda is fun, affordable "drivers'" cars and innovative engine technology. Hyundai is the rip-off artist of the automotive world that wouldn't know what originality was if it was stuck up their nether regions.

Give the 16x time to mature into a reliable engine.

 

Mazda sportscars have ALWAYS had less power than their competition. What's your point?

 

Speculation backed up by nothing. Try not to state your conjecture as if it were a fact. It's not.

On straight displacement increase with no efficiency gain the 16X will have 285bhp. Obviously there is more to come with direct injection and trochoid proportion changes that Mazda has been touting. A 10% efficiency gain would get us to 310bhp. Which should be easily done with DI.

 

in addition HP gains are meaningless if you cannot keep the same MPG as the current renesis. Yes yes the public cries for power but 14mpg will not sell as well. I'd rather have 270 with the current mpg then 310 with 14 or lower mpg.

 

I personally would have it the other way IF there wasn't a guzzling gas tax if it were 14 mpg or lower. Wait, would our current MPG get a guzzling tax? We can't be consuming less than a HEMI in the new Challenger.

Also, again, as most board members know, FI would create even more of an emissions problem. You want the car imported or not?

 

The Mercedes KM 950 (C111) had in the '70s direct injection!
'70s Audi NSU EA 871 direct injection!
Also, the patents for direct injection expired long years ago.