ASH8

Extract 'attachment' from the December 07 Issue of WHEELS mag talking to Seiji Tashima a Mazda planning executive working on the 16X Rotary program.

ASH8

SO what does Mazda do to the current 13B RENESIS now obviously going to be around for some time yet.

It appears that the next generation RX-8 will happen but with what power plant?, can Mazda extract any more HP from the 13B without using FI and All the associated issues that this add on creates like more gas consumption, extra cost, emissions and reliability.
DI wont happen with this 13B version.
Supercharge maybe?

refugeefrompistons

aww, shoot. Does that also mean that the next generation Rx-8 is not due until then? Now that makes me sad.

Old Rotor

I feel there will be further development of the 13B. We will see more power before the 16X comes out. Cant get the 16X here too soon though.

LionZoo

All the article says is "early teens" so where did the inference of 5-6 years come from?

T-von

Dude use basic math. 2013 (early teens) is 5-6 years from now.

shaunv74

I've heard 2010 and 2011. That equals 3-4 years. Still basic math.

RXei8ht

Hmm... Very Interesting..

LionZoo

And still early teens.

ASH8

Early 'teens' mean 2013, two thousand and thirteen" or two thousand and fourteen, or fifteen, or so on... when I went to school 2013 minus 2007 === 6 years.

2010 or 2011 are not "teen" years.

MazdaManiac

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Haven't you ozzies heard of eleventeen and twelveteen?

enforcer

Poor choice of words in the magazine. I think 3 - 4 years is a more realistic time frame....

LionZoo

I think in this case teens means anything in the '10 decade. Calender date doesn't have the same rules as age.

erx8s

As long as the 16X has a lot fewer quirks than the RX8 , Personally i dont mind if they take their time .

We have had more problems with the RX8 than the changed number of Kinky Avatars in ..................Mazdamaniacs .............. Posts

I hope they get the 16X a hell of a lot more reliable with more usable torque

Cheers
Michael

ASH8

NO, But now I have!!!

m477

Since he's Japanese, it's most likely that this is simply a mistaken English translation. I'd bet anything what he meant was "early next decade."

fmzambon

Didn't the Senku prototype feature a DI Renesis? It's possible (IMHO) that a DI version of the 13b family might be brought on the streets. Not something extreme, just a mixed system with a low(ish) pressure DI system and standard port injectors.
Better performance and fuel consumption, plus it would provide Mazda engineers with a lot of experience with DI on a rotary in real world conditions.
It would not be a huge improvement, but it would be better than nothing. Particularly considering how it could be used to further improve the 16x design at a relatively low cost.

rotarygod

Look how long it took the side port rotary to come out. The RX-01 first showed the 13B-MSP back in '95 or so. There is also the possibility that we'll never see a 16X make production. In '88 they showed off an all aluminum 3 rotor that had ceramic seals yet we never saw that. We also never saw the 15A or 21A become reality.

With gas prices the way they are now and the way they are rising, who knows what will happen? Car manufacturers make decisions all the time that could scrap projects that have been yeas in development. I don't want to see this happen with the 16X but until production becomes a reality, anything is possible. I love that they are still working hard on the rotary but until we get actual word of a release date, I'm going to just keep on worrying about the 13B and how to improve it.

chetrickerman

i think they should add DI as fmzambon said, that should increase gas mileage a little and make more people interested. i agree with what RG said, and i think we should all take this with a grain of salt. For now we should just focus on improving our own engines. If you are bored, go out and drive. there are always new roads to concour

The Mighty Red

Maybe they'll just decide to go electric. Now that Tesla Motors (http://www.teslamotors.com/) has successfully pulled off the electric sports car (0 - 60 in less than 4 seconds, top speed 125, maximum range 245 miles on a charge) maybe more companies will start jumping on it.

If Mazda can do it affordably, I would buy it. I really would. Especially if they could get specs close to those.

kiyoshi

I read a blog where the blogger asked mazda staffs at Tokyo motor show about 16x. According to them, development of 16x is just on a start line. Emission and gas mileage are the top priority things to test, then they will looking for power and characteristic for product which will mount 16x.

My optimistic guess is 3 to 4 years to develop/test 16x. But the biggest concern is the high gas price. If gas price will go up more and more, negative marketing decision might make 16x development delay or kill, I guess.

chetrickerman

BUT as gas prices go up, and the rotary fans are still there, the fans might complain or push for them to get it done, so we could see it sooner

tajabaho1

6 YEARS?!?!?! WTJFN&Y^@YN

good god, so what are they gonna do in the mean time? please sell ur mazda stocks..........

chetrickerman

if you sell the stocks, then they will really not develop the 16x, they will have no money

tjbourgoyne

If it was ready now It would be a disaster. I'd say 2-3 years the market will adjust from the gas and housing woes and mazda will throw in the right car at the right time. I've said this before, we are fortunate we even got the 8 so I'm thankful. If it takes 5 years I'm fine with that, as long as they just don't throw in the towel.