16x Delay
12-15-2009, 12:50 PM
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Huge hole is huge
01-13-2010, 09:02 AM
#182
Momentum Keeps Me Going
Given their efforts haven't panned out so far, they know they're faced with likely insurmountable monetary and engineering obstacles to ever succeeding. As money is tight and the ROI is looking worse and worse as time and the competition continues unabated, they are without doubt falling further and futher behind, and they know it.
Ergo, nowithstanding a breakthrough of unprecedented proportions, which is unlikely, there will be no more rotary cars at automotive shows, unless they are hydrogen hybrid studies, which the rotary is apparently suited for.
Enjoy and preserve your rotary as a flawed, but exquisite piece of automotive machinery. It won't be the first, nor certainly the last to enter the halls of automotive history.
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01-13-2010, 09:10 AM
#183
Momentum Keeps Me Going
In fact, sometimes, I wish they'd just get over the rotary thing and shoehorn a honking big turboed 4 cycl into a nice small sports car design we all know they can produce (Kabura anyone?). Then at least I'd have another Mazda I'd consider buying rather than having to brand shop for something approriate (read affordable) to replace the RX-8 when that day comes.
01-13-2010, 03:25 PM
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01-13-2010, 03:27 PM
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ash: there's a thread about that test mule already but I can't say I'm buying the whole 'rx-7' thing.
Nothing in that picture (other then some goofy lights) tells us it's a rotary.
no sound clip
no pics
nothin'
Believe me, I'd LOVE for it to be an RX-7 with a 1.6L Turbo but I'm not holding my breath
Nothing in that picture (other then some goofy lights) tells us it's a rotary.
no sound clip
no pics
nothin'
Believe me, I'd LOVE for it to be an RX-7 with a 1.6L Turbo but I'm not holding my breath
01-13-2010, 03:40 PM
#187
Huge hole is huge
Good god, where the hell did these article writers find out it's the 16x/RX-7? They have no source, it's just them talking BS. I'm getting kind of sick of these kinds of articles.
01-13-2010, 04:10 PM
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Agree...^^^
01-13-2010, 04:29 PM
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They just through the RX-7 name out there without even considering what kind of car mazda would have to make in order to call it an RX-7. As soon as I saw 4 full sized doors it was clear that it wouldn't be an rx-7. Sure, mazda could try to get away with that but it would confuse and annoy way too many people. I almost prefer the stuff that has no evidence or pictures because that's them dreaming up the right type of car at least. A small, non-agressive looking sedan isn't likely to be the next rx-7.
01-13-2010, 04:54 PM
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My intuition is they've got nothing, there is nothing to show anymore, they failed in efforts to produce a contemporary (16x), economical, powerful enough gasoline rotary engine for the current or certainly any future market.
Given their efforts haven't panned out so far, they know they're faced with likely insurmountable monetary and engineering obstacles to ever succeeding. As money is tight and the ROI is looking worse and worse as time and the competition continues unabated, they are without doubt falling further and futher behind, and they know it.
Ergo, nowithstanding a breakthrough of unprecedented proportions, which is unlikely, there will be no more rotary cars at automotive shows, unless they are hydrogen hybrid studies, which the rotary is apparently suited for.
Enjoy and preserve your rotary as a flawed, but exquisite piece of automotive machinery. It won't be the first, nor certainly the last to enter the halls of automotive history.
Given their efforts haven't panned out so far, they know they're faced with likely insurmountable monetary and engineering obstacles to ever succeeding. As money is tight and the ROI is looking worse and worse as time and the competition continues unabated, they are without doubt falling further and futher behind, and they know it.
Ergo, nowithstanding a breakthrough of unprecedented proportions, which is unlikely, there will be no more rotary cars at automotive shows, unless they are hydrogen hybrid studies, which the rotary is apparently suited for.
Enjoy and preserve your rotary as a flawed, but exquisite piece of automotive machinery. It won't be the first, nor certainly the last to enter the halls of automotive history.
Im afraid Ill have to agree with this. I'm looking for another car and it's almost certain to be the 370z. I thought about the R3 but I am just not willing to accept the MPG anymore. I was willing to wait for the 16x, but now Im pretty convinced Mazda has nothing in the pipeline. I think it would be virtually impossible for Mazda to come out with some huge surprise all of a sudden that shocks the hell out of everyone. With media and the internet, there is just no way to keep a new car a total secret and I'd challenge anyone to name a new car model that just appeared out of nowhere with no warning. Face it, nowdays you know about new car models years in advance so the likelyhood that Mazda shocks us with a new 16x rotary powered vehicle without warning is zero. Now if it would get to the point where they come up with something, you might see it at an auto show but it would be at least a couple of years before the car went on sale.
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01-13-2010, 04:59 PM
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Wow ^^^ Its sad how many people just give up on Mazda and the rotary. Mazda is NOT giving up on the rotary, its their Pride... Go get a 370z then, your obviously not a rotorhead like most of us on here, most of us will wait for the 16x, as driving a car with pistons is not anywhere near as fun as the rotary. I can cope all day with the poor mpg's its a sports car, not a econo-box used for good mpgs... Also I dont think there is another forums like this forum, most forums have immature kids who just talk ****, where as this forum has tons of people who actually know what their talking about and like to help (as long as you use the search button first 
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01-13-2010, 07:34 PM
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Wow ^^^ Its sad how many people just give up on Mazda and the rotary. Mazda is NOT giving up on the rotary, its their Pride... Go get a 370z then, your obviously not a rotorhead like most of us on here, most of us will wait for the 16x, as driving a car with pistons is not anywhere near as fun as the rotary. I can cope all day with the poor mpg's its a sports car, not a econo-box used for good mpgs... Also I dont think there is another forums like this forum, most forums have immature kids who just talk ****, where as this forum has tons of people who actually know what their talking about and like to help (as long as you use the search button first )
)Im not saying I wont come back if the 16x ever makes it. If it were out now Im sure Id be in line to purchase one and I hope they can make it work. But you have to face reality here. Mazda needs to make a car that people will buy and to do that they have to add significant power and much better fuel economy. If the 16x came out today with 3-4 more mpg it would be acceptable...but wait 5 years and now it will have to be closer to 10 more mpgs. In the face of ever increasing regulations regarding MPG and emissions, this will be no easy task and since Mazda is the only company with the rotary it is all on them to come up with some technological breakthroughs. However, there may come a point when they may realize there is no way they can make the car they want and do it cost-effectively. Im not saying they can't do it, but with the obsticles they face, along with the severely depressed sports car market, it is seeming less and less likely.
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01-13-2010, 08:41 PM
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You tell them mate...and I agree, I would hate to see Mazda give up on the Rotary, after all it has been in constant production for 40 years...
They are the ones who have Improved them greatly, the RENESIS is a HUGE leap forward in performance, go and drive an FC (because the Renesis is basically an FC 13B), and compare the performance..
The Rotary IS what has made Mazda (for better or worse), they are one of a very FEW auto makers that give you something Different, more than any other make apart from say Porsche.
The RX-8 is a fabulous handling and performing Sports Car for the money...there is still nothing that is as Unusual on the market today.
Bangers have their issues too, there is still nothing like a rotary, and the RX-8 is the best so far, go and drive an RX-4,5, or 3 and you will see how woeful they are performance, handling and quality wise..
Old cars should stay OLD, they just do not compare to todays FUN Mazda's.
Who wants a fridge on wheels...Buy a Toyota Camry!
They are the ones who have Improved them greatly, the RENESIS is a HUGE leap forward in performance, go and drive an FC (because the Renesis is basically an FC 13B), and compare the performance..
The Rotary IS what has made Mazda (for better or worse), they are one of a very FEW auto makers that give you something Different, more than any other make apart from say Porsche.
The RX-8 is a fabulous handling and performing Sports Car for the money...there is still nothing that is as Unusual on the market today.
Bangers have their issues too, there is still nothing like a rotary, and the RX-8 is the best so far, go and drive an RX-4,5, or 3 and you will see how woeful they are performance, handling and quality wise..
Old cars should stay OLD, they just do not compare to todays FUN Mazda's.
Who wants a fridge on wheels...Buy a Toyota Camry!
Wow ^^^ Its sad how many people just give up on Mazda and the rotary. Mazda is NOT giving up on the rotary, its their Pride... Go get a 370z then, your obviously not a rotorhead like most of us on here, most of us will wait for the 16x, as driving a car with pistons is not anywhere near as fun as the rotary. I can cope all day with the poor mpg's its a sports car, not a econo-box used for good mpgs... Also I dont think there is another forums like this forum, most forums have immature kids who just talk ****, where as this forum has tons of people who actually know what their talking about and like to help (as long as you use the search button first )
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01-13-2010, 08:46 PM
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/\ unfortunately the majority of people just think of cars as the piece of metal on wheels that's just needed to take them from point A to point B, or as a fashion/status symbol.
not many drive their cars and enjoy it. but those that do know, where to find what they want.
not many drive their cars and enjoy it. but those that do know, where to find what they want.
01-13-2010, 09:09 PM
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^too true
I myself was one of them now I've seen the light
I just enjoy my drive everyday now to point B but with a weird feel of being bummed because I've already arrived and my drive is done. (not sure if that makes any sense)
I myself was one of them now I've seen the light
I just enjoy my drive everyday now to point B but with a weird feel of being bummed because I've already arrived and my drive is done. (not sure if that makes any sense)
01-13-2010, 10:19 PM
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12 months to go?
Got this article for Car & Drive. Enjoy...
Rotary Keeps Spinning, May Find its Way into a New RX-7 or RX-8
December 7, 2009 at 1:19 pm by Steve Siler
Ever since Mazda introduced its ambitious Sky G gasoline and Sky D diesel engines at the 2009 Tokyo auto show, things have been looking, uh, up. But when we sat down with Robert Davis, Mazda USA senior VP of product development here on the other side of the Pacific, we were told that Mazda is also hard at work on the engine that enthusiasts know best, the famous rotary.
According to Davis, this sequel, known as 16X, will be a more revolutionary step than the revvy but rather torque-deficient Renesis engine that was developed for the RX-8. He wouldn’t give any estimation as to how much power the new rotary will produce other than to claim that it should have output comparable to that of a 3.0-liter V-6 (which should make Nissan 370Zs and Infiniti G37s rest a little easier in their garages). He also declined to say if forced induction will find its way under the RX’s hood next time around. But we’re relatively certain that it will be cleaner and more fuel-efficient than the Renesis, with a Ferrari-high redline, rip-snorting sounds, and a rockin’ bod (though we hope desiginers tone down the Mazda lips when this one finally arrives). Speaking of the bod itself, Davis was hesitant to commit to whether the next rotary-powered car will use the same four-seat, four-ish door layout as the RX-8 or if it might come as a proper coupe (RX-7?), convertible, or what. “We truly haven’t decided,” he said.
Davis promises more announcements to come in the next 12 months. Meanwhile, he invites input from savvy car fans either at www.mazdausa.com or from owners who have registered at www.mymazda.com.
Rotary Keeps Spinning, May Find its Way into a New RX-7 or RX-8
December 7, 2009 at 1:19 pm by Steve Siler
Ever since Mazda introduced its ambitious Sky G gasoline and Sky D diesel engines at the 2009 Tokyo auto show, things have been looking, uh, up. But when we sat down with Robert Davis, Mazda USA senior VP of product development here on the other side of the Pacific, we were told that Mazda is also hard at work on the engine that enthusiasts know best, the famous rotary.
According to Davis, this sequel, known as 16X, will be a more revolutionary step than the revvy but rather torque-deficient Renesis engine that was developed for the RX-8. He wouldn’t give any estimation as to how much power the new rotary will produce other than to claim that it should have output comparable to that of a 3.0-liter V-6 (which should make Nissan 370Zs and Infiniti G37s rest a little easier in their garages). He also declined to say if forced induction will find its way under the RX’s hood next time around. But we’re relatively certain that it will be cleaner and more fuel-efficient than the Renesis, with a Ferrari-high redline, rip-snorting sounds, and a rockin’ bod (though we hope desiginers tone down the Mazda lips when this one finally arrives). Speaking of the bod itself, Davis was hesitant to commit to whether the next rotary-powered car will use the same four-seat, four-ish door layout as the RX-8 or if it might come as a proper coupe (RX-7?), convertible, or what. “We truly haven’t decided,” he said.
Davis promises more announcements to come in the next 12 months. Meanwhile, he invites input from savvy car fans either at www.mazdausa.com or from owners who have registered at www.mymazda.com.
