Synthetic Oil....two merged "warning" threads.
07-01-2006, 12:05 AM
#77
yes,
you started this same crap here.
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tech-garage-22/mazda-does-not-recommend-synthetic-oil-rx-8-a-88234/
delete this whole thread and go back to my space.
beers
you started this same crap here.
https://www.rx8club.com/series-i-tech-garage-22/mazda-does-not-recommend-synthetic-oil-rx-8-a-88234/
delete this whole thread and go back to my space.
beers
07-01-2006, 12:24 AM
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As i have said in the past, my posts are documented facts from mazda, not hearsay or personal opinions. When you can find statements under the official letterheads, manuals etc. from Mazda, post 'em here.
Until i see otherwise from mazda, you're just pissin' in the wind, pal.
Until i see otherwise from mazda, you're just pissin' in the wind, pal.
07-01-2006, 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Rotor Rocket
As i have said in the past, my posts are documented facts from mazda, not hearsay or personal opinions. When you can find statements under the official letterheads, manuals etc. from Mazda, post 'em here.
Until i see otherwise from mazda, you're just pissin' in the wind, pal.
Until i see otherwise from mazda, you're just pissin' in the wind, pal.
you have started this **** twice... you are talking out of your ***....
did that mildew smell go away... **** of ******!!!!
beers
btw, no way you finished your reading assignment
07-01-2006, 12:30 AM
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Mazda's official position is that it is OK to use synthetics in the RX-8.
I have in my possession an official Mazda memo stating as much. I got it two years ago. I posted it two years ago.
Search.
I have in my possession an official Mazda memo stating as much. I got it two years ago. I posted it two years ago.
Search.
07-01-2006, 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Gomez
Mazda's official position is that it is OK to use synthetics in the RX-8.
I have in my possession an official Mazda memo stating as much. I got it two years ago. I posted it two years ago.
Search.
I have in my possession an official Mazda memo stating as much. I got it two years ago. I posted it two years ago.
Search.
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07-01-2006, 12:56 AM
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You know what I reckon, I reckon we should all write to Mythbusters about this. Once they have the result, that'll definately end this debacle once and for all since it'll be FULLY proven FACTS
07-01-2006, 05:03 AM
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rotor rocket, that's really lame, just out of nowhere posting what quaker state says on some oil fact and myth page for non-enthusiast morons. If you want credibility you sure as hell should quote some third party research on the matter and at least one "expert oppinion". As far as I'm concerned, that page is doing nothing but quote what is said in the manual.
07-01-2006, 08:05 AM
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i use a valvoline mineral product that i can buy of the shelf at any auto accessory shop hear in NZ, its about $10 cheaper than synthetics. I don't think there is much to be gained from synthetics so why spend the extra money. I wouldn't mind betting the 787b used mineral oil?
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07-01-2006, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Rotor Rocket
Go to link below and find the answer, or read Quaker State's posistion on synth oil posted below. I'm now out of this discussion.
http://www.quakerstate.com/pages/carcare/whattoknow.asp
Myth #3
Using synthetic motor oil will void a manufacturer's warranty.
Fact
As long as the synthetic product meets the viscosity and performance requirements outlined in the vehicle’s owner’s manual, using synthetic oil will not interfere with the warranty coverage. However, one exception would be the rotary (Wankel) engine used in certain Mazda vehicles, which recommend against the use of synthetic oil in that particular engine.
http://www.quakerstate.com/pages/carcare/whattoknow.asp
Myth #3
Using synthetic motor oil will void a manufacturer's warranty.
Fact
As long as the synthetic product meets the viscosity and performance requirements outlined in the vehicle’s owner’s manual, using synthetic oil will not interfere with the warranty coverage. However, one exception would be the rotary (Wankel) engine used in certain Mazda vehicles, which recommend against the use of synthetic oil in that particular engine.
Can someone delete this thread?
07-01-2006, 09:09 AM
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Bummed, but bring on OU!
My opinion on synth vs dino oil discussions:
WHO GIVES A BIG STINKY *****???!!!?!?!?!?!
Use whatever f'ng oil you want. The stuff has to meet regulatory requirements either way.
WHO GIVES A BIG STINKY *****???!!!?!?!?!?!
Use whatever f'ng oil you want. The stuff has to meet regulatory requirements either way.
07-01-2006, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Rotor Rocket
Let us finish these protracted discussions once and for all! Why try to "rewrite" what Mazda USA and the oil manufacturers warn against.
What part of "do not use synthetic oil", "synthetic not recommended" etc. do you not understand?
Once again, I must post the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
How many times do you have to read the warnings from both Mazda RX-8 Owner Manuals and the people that make the oil?
Read this info from Quaker State
http://www.quakerstate.com/pages/ca...ow.asp#warranty
Your engine will be seriously compromised by synthetic oil, so stop using it, go back to a good conventional GF-4 oil and hit the redline in some lower gears a few times. Hopefully, that might reverse the pending harm caused by synththetic oil.
Do I care what you use? Not one damn bit. It's your car, your money and so forth, but at least get the facts straight from Mazda and the oil companies.
What part of "do not use synthetic oil", "synthetic not recommended" etc. do you not understand?
Once again, I must post the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
How many times do you have to read the warnings from both Mazda RX-8 Owner Manuals and the people that make the oil?
Read this info from Quaker State
http://www.quakerstate.com/pages/ca...ow.asp#warranty
Your engine will be seriously compromised by synthetic oil, so stop using it, go back to a good conventional GF-4 oil and hit the redline in some lower gears a few times. Hopefully, that might reverse the pending harm caused by synththetic oil.
Do I care what you use? Not one damn bit. It's your car, your money and so forth, but at least get the facts straight from Mazda and the oil companies.
07-01-2006, 09:37 AM
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Originally Posted by rotor_man
i use a valvoline mineral product that i can buy of the shelf at any auto accessory shop hear in NZ, its about $10 cheaper than synthetics. I don't think there is much to be gained from synthetics so why spend the extra money. I wouldn't mind betting the 787b used mineral oil?
nope, used full synthetic.
"The Mazda Factory racing departments recommend and use ‘synthetic’ oils including the winning 1991 Leman’s 20-G 4 rotor Mazda 787B."
07-01-2006, 09:51 AM
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Paraffinic crude...
I have to conclude that Mr. Rocket is talking through his anus.
The term paraffinic refers to the arrangement of the molecules in the oil, paraffins are generally long chains, naphthenes are rings, olefins are unsaturated chains, and aromatics are unsaturated rings.
You wouldn't want anything "unsaturated" in your engine - they tend to join up into clumps forming sludge, or attach to rubber/plastics, turning seals into jello.
So it is perfectly possible to have a "paraffinic" synthetic, and the blanket statement that "paraffins form sludge" or claims that they contain waxes are just bogus.
I love the semi-scientific mumbo jumbo he throws about - "Sulpher(sic) ash like found in higher levels for oil like Quaker State"
-There is no such thing as Sulphur ash.
-I have been refining oil for thirty years.
-The company I work for owns Quaker State.
-If someone invented/found/made something called "Sulpher Ash" I would probably know about it.
Get a life, Mr Rocket.
S
The term paraffinic refers to the arrangement of the molecules in the oil, paraffins are generally long chains, naphthenes are rings, olefins are unsaturated chains, and aromatics are unsaturated rings.
You wouldn't want anything "unsaturated" in your engine - they tend to join up into clumps forming sludge, or attach to rubber/plastics, turning seals into jello.
So it is perfectly possible to have a "paraffinic" synthetic, and the blanket statement that "paraffins form sludge" or claims that they contain waxes are just bogus.
I love the semi-scientific mumbo jumbo he throws about - "Sulpher(sic) ash like found in higher levels for oil like Quaker State"
-There is no such thing as Sulphur ash.
-I have been refining oil for thirty years.
-The company I work for owns Quaker State.
-If someone invented/found/made something called "Sulpher Ash" I would probably know about it.
Get a life, Mr Rocket.
S
07-01-2006, 10:46 AM
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Haha...good points Stealth. agreed.
So you work for SOPUS, eh? Where? I used to as well; now work for ChevronTexaco here in the Bay Area. I would really be interested in doing/seeing a Renesis-specific test, comparing a Grp III based synthetic formulation vs. a full-PAO based synthetic.
So you work for SOPUS, eh? Where? I used to as well; now work for ChevronTexaco here in the Bay Area. I would really be interested in doing/seeing a Renesis-specific test, comparing a Grp III based synthetic formulation vs. a full-PAO based synthetic.