White_GTS

93rdcurrent,

Thank you for understanding why I did that. What ever they say on this forum will not chance my mind in towards buying the car. I will buy it because it's the best price for a sports car available right now.

Also it has it's own class to it. One thing is weird is that the US version has different options for the leather seats compare to the Canadian version. That sucks.

As a newbie posting on this forum I felt I had a rude welcoming and that’s why I made the comment about the Canadian US thing since 95% of the people started to bad talk about me for what I've done are from the US.

That’s all.

So does anyone see why I did this or understand at all or are you all hardheaded and stubborn people?

Just trying to understand the people on this thread so I know what to say and not to say.

Sue Esponte

I think we need a new thread on Knight Rider/KITT instead of flooding. At least Knight Rider is more interesting.

-Eric

Gord96BRG

Funny, I don't see those as the only two possibilities... Do you understand at all why we don't think what you did was right, or are YOU hardheaded and stubborn?

Actually, many people like the Canadian GT option package better - the 6 CD changer is stock, not optional, we get headlight washers (not even an option in the US), we don't have to put up with a tire pressure monitoring system, and we aren't forced to have a moonroof in the GT. Many, many people in the US would love to be able to get the leather package without the moonroof as we can get in Canada, because of headroom issues.

Regards,
Gordon

White_GTS

I understand the fact that you all are upset because I did it intentially and by doing that I am causing work for the dealership. But you should not be that mad cause you could of went for a test drive and stalled it and the same thing would of happen plus either way the mechanic will have to fix it. regardless. So no I understand and I am not hardheaded and stubborn.

So if I don't stall someone will and either way it will be fixed.

For all the cars they sell there is always a price pay for the dealer and this is just one of them.

The dealer just called me back advising me to come back for another test drive this weekend. I think they really want me to buy the demo. I told them if I wanted the 8 it will have to be new.

Nubo

The part that doesn't make sense to me is that after witnessing what was it -- 3 floods in 3 attempts?-- and multiple flooded cars in the service bay you're still going to buy the car. Not that I'm saying the phenomenon should have dissuaded you. But in the end I really DON'T understand why you did your "experiments" since you obviously were going to buy the car whether it flooded or NOT.

White_GTS

I believe the dealer has 3 messed up cars. Thats why I'm gonna check out other 8's at other dealers.

Maximus

i.e. intentionally vs. inadvertently

MEGAREDS

Couple of things in a very long thread... wow, this one hit a nerve.

1. The flooding "issue" is not described in the manual or the Quick Start Guide... the manual discusses the "Emergency Start Procedure" (page 7-20) and the Guide talks about how one "should" allow the car to warm up on short trips so as to "improve[] engine life." No discussion of flooding or recovering from a flood -- one of my most serious complaints about the materials, and one that Mazda needs to correct.

2. White_GTS: You've apparently witnessed more first-hand flooding than anyone else on this board, although I also (like the others that have commented) think the first car was not flooded, but merely had a weak battery. You seem to have a magic touch. What was the temperature and weather like when these things happened? Sorry to have to chime in with the others on this one... deliberately damaging someone else's car is not cool -- even a car dealer's car that's been a jerk. Shebam gets an "A" for best legal analysis.

3. As for the "what's the big deal" question some have asked, the answer is that flooding with the RX-8 is a much bigger problem than with non-rotary cars because the chambers will not dry out by themselves since they are not exposed to the atmosphere. A flooded engine in another car would just require you to wait a while... since about 15% of people to date have flooded per this thread, and since most of us are stuck towing our cars when it happens since we don't have the skill/tools/knowledge to remove the plugs ourselves, this reasonably ranks as a big issue. Also, for AT owners, notice that more than half AT owners responding have reported having experienced a flood (8 of the 14 responding).

3. Canadians... cut em a break -- they come in handy when the Iranians overrun your embassy.

4. Knight Rider - How could anyone not have known about Knight Rider and KITT? By the way, David Hasselhoff is the devil...

rieskame

GTS- Its beyond me why you would still even be looking at-not to mention buy a RX-8 after your test drives. Obviously the car is not reliable. Flooding was an issue back before the 80s when cars were still carburated. I have never before had a car not start after it has been started. If this happened as regularly in an GM car, the press would be all over it like the Pinto. Its just "quirky" in the 8. I understand that the dealership did not mention the flooding issue to you before the test drive even though they had cars in back getting fixed. I think that is horrible. I would go to another dealership and play ignorant just to see if they mention the problem, if I didnt already have this POS sitting at my parents shop collecting dust. They never said anything to me even though after the fact they said that they flood 8s off the truck all the time. BTW, nowhere in the owners manual says anything about warming up the car (no the cheat sheet does not count as the manual).

You kids need to understand that turning on and off a car is not punishable by death, but is actually one of the first things they do at an assembly plant before the car goes out the door.

This is not overblown, period. Mazda has built an engine that should not have built until it was reliable. Maybe it was Ford's money crunch at fault, but in the end I guarantee Mazda will not make a dime off this toy. Another buyback and class action suit will take care of that.

Eric

loco4rx8

I'm sorry, sir, but you are a hypocrite. You go in and intentionally damage the car, claim on this board that what you did was OK - just normal test drive stuff, and when they want you to buy the car you intentionally flooded, you don't want it.

Guess what. No one else would either if they knew what you did. That's why what you did was very questionable.

Omicron

Ok folks, it's time to let this one go. Enough, please.

zerobanger

flooding on a rotary is a myth created by jealouse 350Z owners.

Xlorn

In my manual and the online manual chapter 7-20 is titled "Starting a flooded engine". So one of your most serious complaints has been addressed?

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/pdf/...004_owners.pdf

MEGAREDS

No, because the manual does not tell you that flooding is caused by failing to use the "Short Move Procedure." However, Mazda has addressed my other complaints... like confirming that they'll cover the flooding (including towing) under the basic warranty and giving assurance that they're working on a solution. I'm betting the 2005 manual does a better job of explaining things.

BillK

I disagree...

Mazda has told several of us in email that a stall will not cause flooding; rather to flood it requires that the engine be shut off cold and remain shut off for a while.

If the original poster really did get the car to flood by simply turning it off and attempting to restart it immediately, not only is that valuable information, but it also completely contradicts what Mazda customer service has been telling people.

Meanwhile, I still say that if you're in the U.S. and have ever experienced the flooding issue, be sure to file a complaint with the NHTSA Office of Defects Investigation, as stalling and requiring dealer intervention to restart the car certainly does qualify as a safety defect worthy of a full-blown recall...

aussie77

No, but if you are going to insult someone and call them 'not right in the head', at least do it properly.

Of what relevance is this? You knew about the issue with engine flooding, and if you have read these boards as much as you claim, you know how to avoid it.


And this is why I have no respect for what you did. There is a big difference between doing something out of ignorance or by accident, and doing it intentionally. If I lost control of my car and killed a pedestrian, that makes me a poor driver. If I ran over said pedestrian intentionally, that makes me a murderer. If you cannot understand the difference in intent, then you are amoral, and I worry about you walking around loose on the streets.

Again, since you apparantly are incapable of understanding I will spell it out slowly. You stalled the car intentionally. This costs the dealership money and time to fix. If you slice the seat or scratch the paint, it costs the dealership money and time to fix. They are all malicious, thoughtless and inconsiderate actions. WTF!!!

No car is 'meant to be stalled'. If you can find me a single model of car whose purpose is to be stalled, then that's one car I'm not buying. All cars are meant to be driven, with stalling being a negative possible consequence of said driving. Much the same as crashing is negative consequence. Some cars handle stalling better than others, and with an RX-8 whose engine is still cold, there is a possibility of flooding. I am saying you are dumb if you don't take the five minutes to learn how to operate your vehicle.. or if you intentionally misoperate it.

Yes, and cars are also supposed to withstand collisions without their occupants being injured. Some of them are better at it than others. The 8, like OTHER CARS, will flood if stalled in the wrong circumstances. It is by no means a certainty, but a possibility. Again, a by-product of the engine design, and one aspect of the car's performance and operation.

Oh no. We didn't all cheer you for intentionally flooding a car, so now you're going to take your ball and go home? Geez.

Again, we are rude for not encouraging your lack of respect for other people? Consider the eventual owner of the car you intentionally flooded. How polite were you to that person?

By 'something interesting' I assume you mean 'something that agrees with my actions'?

Ajax

When I test drove my first manual, I hadn't driven manual in 8 years.. I literally stalled it 8 times during the test drive before getting the hang of the clutch. Not once did it flood.

I think this is pretty good evidence that in most cases, stalling an 8 will not cause it to flood .

guy321

I'm having his baby

4. Knight Rider - How could anyone not have known about Knight Rider and KITT? By the way, David Hasselhoff is the devil... [/B][/QUOTE]

IKnowNot'ing

When I went to pick up my car at the dealer 2 days ago, he told me about the flooding issue (because he experienced it). He advised me to let it run for a bit on cold starts before shutting down the engine again. Note that starting and stopping a cold (and overfuelled) engine is always bad. It leads to bore washing. My previous car (Audi A4 V6 quattro) with std petrol engine did not like that kind of mistreatement either.

Once you're aware of this issue, the issue goes...

Elara

okay, I think this thread has gone on long enough. Closing. And do me a favor. If soneone has a question about WHY I closed the thread, send me a pm, DON'T start another thread about what a bitch I am and how I'm repressing free speech. I'm happy to discuss things, but not in public, and only if I'm not being attacked.