redcivic

I raced a MS6 to 130MPH from 60MPH and it was dead even. Dont know about 0-60. I was surprised, I thought he would walk me. I forgot to mention the MS6 had three passengers and I was alone :p

dmorales

Then 0-60 should be worse for the rx8
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Ike

Well, they're actually rated at 232hp now and that's probably still generous.

Ike

Road and Track's MS6 had the notorious power loss issues. Mid 13s I really doubt, but high 13s are VERY possible. 5.4 0-60 is right in line with the older WRX which weighed less but also had a lot less hp so I don't see why it's so hard to believe.

XDEEDUBBX

i just visited the MS6 forums. They say a few of them are already running mid 13's bone stock with stock tires. The guy that ran the 13.7 in the link below was running race fuel.. Here's a link to the guy that ran mid/ high 13's.
http://www.mazda3forums.com/gallery/...930&fullsize=1

sosonic

Hell yeah a MS6 will take out the RX-8 in 0-60 or 1/4 mile. Mazda just wants to be "quiet" about it embarrassing its own sports car. But it is true, there is more to a car than just straight lines and short distance. Overall, the RX-8 is rated as a better car.

To fix the RX-8 "speed problem" you have to go supercharger or turbo. Once a bunch of these new superchargers (Sept. and Oct.) are out and post some numbers and times, than we will see if the "problem" is fixed. "Fixed" will be an RX-8 that can go 0-60 in 5 seconds (and heaven forbid) less. Consistently in the 5 second range is good though....

Ike

I'd consider a 13.77 a high 13, but maybe that's just me...

low, 13.1-13.3
mid 13.4-13.6
High 13.7-13.9

BunnyGirl

^ Sounds about the way I consider low, mid, high when calculating stuff.

XDEEDUBBX

gotta give it up to mazda..thanks guys =(

9291150

5.4 on a older WRX? The best time I saw, I think, was a 5.7/14.4. But most tests were never that good.

9291150

It’s weird that there is so many posts here about the MS6 or MS3 being “faster.” I doubt they’d be faster on a track, but yeah they should be slightly faster accelerating, all else being equal.

Automotive media doesn’t seem to care. I’ve must of seen over a dozen stories on the MS6 and MS3, not one of them bothered to recognize that they are "faster" or more powerful than the flagship 8. Could it be because they know that these cars couldn’t be more different?? "Hmmm, should I get a sedan, station wagon or sportcar" USUALLY doesn't happen.

Besides, if it was all about 0-60 times, why don’t we just save ourselves a shitload of money and buy some $5000 riced out shitbox? My neighbor’s son has a 15 year old Eclipse with an aftermarket turbo that looks bigger than its 2.0 liter engine, should I swap cars with him?

DrDiaboloco

I think that goes without saying... It's not for nuthin' that the MS6 ranked next-to-last in the R&T (4th of 5) and C&D (5th of 6) articles, and the RX-8 is still on the C&D Top Ten list.

spork

Yep, I got a Mazdaspeed 6 to replace my RX-8 and the Mazdaspeed 6 is more practical (quieter inside, more spacious, seats 5, 4 real doors, larger trunk, easier to put stuff in the trunk) and got more "umph" (it definitely feels faster... the RX-8 only feels as fast in the higher RPMS in 3rd gear if you ask me). But even then the RX-8 is just a much more fun ride. The MS6 is nice but it just doesn't have the same fun factor as the RX-8 (unless of course you're all about the straight line speed).

Brettus

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After test driving the MS6 I hopped straight back into my 8 and it felt slow by comparison in the midrange. However the 6 runs out of puff very quickly,it sort of gives you everything it has in one short burst then says "ok thats all folks" - the last few thousand rpm are a real let down. The 8 is almost the exact opposite. If only we could put all that midrange grunt in the 8 .......
Twin screw S/C anyone ?

Ike

C&D got 5.4/14.1 for the '02 WRX and some owners got similar results as well. Not a common time by any means, but certainly possible with good conditions and a very good driver.

rotarygod

"Sports car" does not mean it's the fastest car. Take the Miata as an example. How many Mazda cars over the years couldn't beat it? A sports car is just a different class of car. It isn't by any means a term that has to apply to the company's fastest car.

DrDiaboloco

...and I wouldn't expect it to. I think the MS6 would be a nice ride if you need a sedan. I definitely liked my M6S (my last car prior to the 8), and it sounds like the MS6 is that car turned up to "eleven".

It's just too bad that it doesn't "rate" better than it does... From the reviews it appears that the MS6 doesn't quite cut it in areas other than acceleration (and braking, if memory serves), and if it can't beat other sedans in overall fun-to-drive-ness, how could it hope to beat a more single-minded car like the 8?

That, and I don't like the hood bulge, even if it's there for a reason.

mkztg

We own both cars, my RX-8 and my wife wanted the MazdaSpeed 6. Having driven both I can agree with Brettus. The MS6 feels much faster then the 8. I haven't done any 0-60 times for either one myself but I really think that if it were a race in a straight line the MS6 would win. my .02.

zeblien

You are all evil. The RX8 does 0-60 in 4.2 and the 1/4mi in 12 seconds. It has a top speed of 212mph and weights only 1600 pounds. It gets 24/40mpg, and is only 18k new.


So stop spreading bad information. Clearing the 8 wins in every test ever designed.

9291150

It's all a moo point.

afgcfan

^^

TALAN7

I think it matters a lot. Case in point, take a look at the new Porsche Cayman. Porsche took great pains to make sure the Cayman wasn't as fast as the 911 regardless of trim level. They have a performance heiarchy that they won't even cross. How can they tought the 911 as great when their own lower model is faster.

I know what you're thinking. Mazdaspeed is a different line. True, but there is no Mazdaspeed RX8, and the flagship should be the fastest, particularly if it's to most sportiest. who would want an NSX if the RSX type S and TL type S was faster. SRT Chryslers and Dodges still aren't faster than the Viper. V-series Caddies aren't faster than the Vette. (they're all GM)

The issue is, most carmakers go through great pains upgrading engines and whatever to make their flagship SPORTS car the best performer in all categories. I know the RX-8 is better on the track, but I'm sure it's only marginally better handling. The Mazdaspeeds make up for that handling defecit in raw power. The RX-8 is due for more power.

shinka23

I hope that the MazdaSpeed 6 is faster straightline than our Rx-8, considering that it has a 2.3L I4 which is turbocharged rated at 270HP. Just imagine guys, if our rx-8 came from the factory with a turbo. It's already surprising to me that our 1.3L rotary powered N/A car catapults us to 60mph in just under 6 seconds. And I could just imagine what a Greddy Turbo kit could do for our 0-60 times. One guy on youtube ran a 1/4 mile in 13.1 with the greddy turbo kit.

redcivic

Well, you can post whatever numbers you want but i go to the track eevery wednesday night and every wednesday there are a few MS6's around and I have never seen one break a low 14 let alone 13's. There is no doubt in my mind that a MS6 is faster than a RX-8 with an excellent driver but you will rarely see it run what it's supposed to.

Don't believe everything you read....

I have been drag racing for years and it took me quite a while to run a 14.8 in my RX-8. I get sick of hearing this car will run that and this car will run this. Most people cannot drive their cars to full potential. Come with me any night at the track and I will show you Vettes running high 13's and EVO MR's running mid to high 14's. There are people on this site with all kinds of mods running 1/2 second slower times than me in my stock RX-8.

The best mod you can make is learning how to drive!

Just by practicing I have dropped from a 15.2 -15.4 my first night out down to a 14.8. How many mods do you think it would to take to drop all those tenths?

Ike

I've been to the strip several times and have never seen an RX-8 break into the 14s. That doesn't mean it's not capable or running 14s.