redcivic

I had a 2002 Maxima 6 speed too!!!!!!!!!!!!!! My fastest time in my max was a 14.3. My 97' SE was supercharged and ran mid to high 13's but was traction limited. Speed in the twisties is about ***** not horsepower. A friend of mine has an STI and I lose him quick in the twisties because he gets scared.

dynamho

Agreed about the "*****". A large part of competitive racing psychology seems to be about having nerves of steel.

One must be careful though that there's a fine line between "*****" and ignorance.

DailyDriver2k5

AHHHH Supercharged 4th gen Maxima.......makes you all tingly inside when saying that...lol

My buddy had one and that thing was stupid fast, he would always coax mustang and vette guys to race him. He would get pleasure in shaming there vehicle and there pride. LOL

Gotta find his vid of him breaking into the 12's......just sick!

dean2900

You know, I would admit it would be a guilty pleasure to have some sleeper. Put a vette engine if posisble into a old Fiero that weighs nothing and then smoke Vipers, Vettes, and Porsches. The drivers will quickly turn their heads and pretend nothing happened.

coll

my "friend" had a mazda 6 "not speed" use to talk lots of trash..once i got my 8 i used to leave him in the dust..now he upgraded to a MS6 raced him couple weeks ago i did get beat.but not as much as i thought i would. im still a noob at drag racing and trying to improve my skills. he had his MS6 for about 3 months and i think he already broke i think was his back axel not sure..anyways drag is about skill more than anything. until he gets it fixed he is stuck with this old *** jeep

thats just my two cents

zeblien

LOL 3 months of driving and the axel snapped? What did he hit? or Did he just go over a 3ft speed lump at 50mph?

coll

idk what he hit i know its in the garage now..my cousin works with him and thats all he told me...hes a real idiot when it comes down to cars..parents are pretty rich so he doesnt really care..has no driving skill at all...think he can blow money into the car and itll make him a good driver

Aseras

i was told it gets 88mpg by my salesman you lie.

zeblien

No thats how fast you must be going to time travel. Here is more info from the full thread which you missed.

"so if i get this straight... you open the covered switch on the left and move it upwards or downwards to select the year to which you want to travel, and instead of leaving at oonly 88mph (which is stupid for an rx8 cause its too slow to stop going faster), you installed a 88mph gotcha button on the right (also red). The gotcha swtich fools the flux capacitor into thinking the wheels are going 88mph. The real question though, have you managed to produce fuel from garbage yet? Because if your going to be time traveling via a gotcha swtich, you will be using 300 gigajouls of energy per jump, of which you will need a nuclear decombobulator to break down the atomic energy of trash."

Butch Brown

Are you considering the power loss for the AWD? That and additional weight should make the two cars very close in 0-60

Ike

What part about the MS6 being faster and quicker than the RX-8 is so freaking hard to believe?

dynamho

http://www.bbc.co.uk/topgear/powerlaps.shtml.

It looks like RX-8 is faster than the MS6 (MPS in the UK) in this context, but only by a hair.

I've driven both in an autocross course and MS6 has noticeably better pickup than the RX-8. However, it doesn't feel as agile and you can definitely feel the higher polar moment.

In a straight line or high speed course, I'm almost certain, the advantage is with the MS6.

spork

I'm surprised the difference was that small on the Top Gear tracks just because I would've thought there were too many curves on that track for the MS6 to do that well.

I'm not sure why people are so resistant about the fact that the MS6 is probably faster than the RX-8 in a straight line. Having driven both of them (leased an RX-8 for 2 years, currently own a MS6) I would have to say that the MS6 definitely feels faster in a straight line and the RX-8 definitely feels more nimble (and more entertaining to drive). And c'mon people, the RX-8 was NEVER known for it's straightline speed. It's capable, but it was never great in that regard. The S2K, 350Z, G35, STi, Evo, Mustang GT, etc are all faster than the RX-8 in a straight line. If you bought the car for straight line power, you made a huge mistake.

redcivic

Yeah, I cannot even begin to tell you how many great kills I had in my evergreen forrest sleeper. Miss that car but trannies were breaking like crazy.

TALAN7

If the RX-8 had 30 more hp it would move up that list dramatically. As slow as it is, for it to do so well testifies to the great handling package.

dynamho

I have no doubts about that. I feel pretty smug in the fact that it's N/A, light, and still pulls off respectable performance.

I don't understand why some complain that the car is underpowered when they can just add an impeller on an RX-8 for less total cost than a brand new FD, which was around $38k valued with nineties dollars.

I believe this car has very good potential for someone willing to wring it out.

RotaryManiac

I have an 04 6speed with revi+duct and i just got a mazdaspeed 6 this past week, and i can say that the ms6 is faster 0-60 and even after that. (at least it feels like that to me). once the turbo kicks in that thing really moves. i will say, though, that im really upset i have to give the rx8 back when the lease ends next month.

sosonic

The damn really sad thing is that the MazdaSpeed really, really needs/needed to come out with a supercharged or turbo RX-8 with 300 HP power or better. Mazda and MazdaSpeed is screwing the RX-8, which makes very little sense. Its just plain marketing sense, to come out with a 300 HP MazdaSpeed RX-8. You then put all that 0-60 crap to bed if you have a Mazdaspeed RX-8 doing 0-60 in 5 seconds. How many more RX-8's would you sell with it being as attractive as it is, as maneuverable as it is, plus 0-60 in 5 seconds?

On the M/T, its not so darn hard. If you want decent times, you talking about a 40 HP boost. C'mon, they can boost Mazda hatchbacks (by damn near 100 HP) and other cars in Mazda's inventory, but they don't have time to add 60 HP to 75 HP on their flagship RX-8 sport's car? Its just crazy.

mysql101

We've known years ago that the Mazdaspeed 6 and 3 would come out before the 8. Also given the amount of issues they're getting on the NA RX-8, I don't know how likely they are to mess with fire by adding FI to the mix.

sosonic

There will always be issues... a Mazdaspeed RX-8 will sell more cars. Trust me, I think people will live with the issues, if they can have a faster RX-8.

Also, some of these issues are "silly" anyway. Like the overheating problem in hot climates. Got damn put a 2nd oil cooler in the ATs and 5 speed MT (which they do now, but should have done before), have the fan turn on at lower temps (can be programmed in the ECU...but there is even a 3rd party kit for it now), and (heaven forbid) put synthetic oil that can withstand high temps. If the oil breaks down in high temps, than yeah you will blow an engine... duh...

For the most part, people love the RX-8 and can deal with its issues. What many people have been begging for is more power. Thats where Mazdaspeed is suppose to come in.

Raptor2k

Or Pettit, Axial Flow, PTP, Hymee

Assuming they ever release anything

mysql101

Most of us already have an RX-8. Selling the car is difficult due to the high loss we're going to take due to the market being flooded with the 8, and not enough buyers.

If you can live with issues but want a faster car, just buy the greddy kit like everyone else.


If I didn't already own an 8, I might crave a MS version, but as has been discussed before, the mazdaspeed version of the cars seldom hold a candle to the aftermarket kit's power output.

sosonic

I got my eye on Axial Flow, Hymee, Pettit, PTP kits. Whoever can get me to near 300 HP, for less money, and less problems will win.

Yeah, there are 3rd party kits, but Mazdaspeed should be taking care of their flagship sports car. When you have little hatchbacks from the "same company" outrunning their own flagship sports car, things just ain't right.

mysql101

if 0-60 times was our major concern, and FWD was the rage, we'd all be driving FI neons...

but yeah, I know exactly what you're saying. It does suck, but no way I'm going to wait around for a MS 8.

DailyDriver2k5

Maybe its timing people...... With the competition getting refreshes, updated power increases, maybe MazdaSpeed is playing it cool to see how everything pans out. Would be silly to release a 280-300HP MS RX-8 now , when your comp is going to be releasing a 350+HP(see refreshed 350Z possibly in '08 with this HP).

Then Mazda is back right where they started as with the RX-8. Sure your MS RX-8 may have , lets be generous and say 300HP, but at the end of the day your friend in his 350+HP 350Z is still letting you see his tailights, and then all the complaining and whining starts all over again," I wish Mazda would give us more, why can't we have 350+HP, Oh my Mazdaspeed RX-8 is slow(even though it has 300HP),blah, blah, blah.....

So maybe its good Mazda hasn't released the MS 8 just yet. It gives them time to see what other car manufactures are going to put out first, then trump them with something that will steal there thunder. Its all marketing and timing fellas......