RX-8 vs. EVO
02-11-2007, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
I'm not meek enough to agree to disagree on many things. I enjoy a healthy debate as I've pointed about many times.
02-11-2007, 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
I'm not sure what you're talking about, I'm perfectly relaxed. All I was doing was clearing up some misconceptions and helping out the OP. I'm fine with people having opinions, it's the people that talk out of their *** that I have a problem with. Talking about engine problems of a DSM in relation to a DSM is wrong, it's not opinion. If someone on here said the Renesis has problems because the FD had problems I'd call them out as well. My defending of cars on here has nothing to do with personal allegiance since I've defended everything from a SRT-4 to a MR2 on these forums at one time or another.
The RX-8 is a GENUINE sports car. Although that may be hard to define in absolute terms, once you drive the car you will know precisely what I am talking about.
People like Ike prefer what amounts to tricked out Japanese Buicks- and those Japanese Buicks can rack up some truly impressive performance numbers, but if that's all that matters to you in a car, you are missing out on one of the key reasons you should be into cars in the first place.
Let me put this another way: when I was into riding motorcycles, the bike magazines would always do comparison tests between Hondas, Suzukis, Kawasakis and a Ducati thrown in.
The Japanese bikes would beat the Ducati at almost anything, and they were certainly far easier to own. But when it came down to which bike they actually wanted to own if they were spending their own money, the Ducati always "won." And that is because things like pride of ownership, the kind of relationship you have with your vehicle, the physio-kinetic experience of driving the thing, just don't come into the picture with these other mass market vehicles, and it is something that does not show in a data panel. There were plenty of cars in 1963 that could beat a Jaguar XK-E in many respects; however, to this very day, there is no other car I would want as badly to own from that era, more than 40 years later.
Now do you get it?
The RX-8 was purpose built to be what it is, and shares practically nothing with the other cars built by it's maker. It is THAT kind of all-of-a-piece workmanship that set the RX-8 apart from every other vehicle in it's price point, and well beyond, for that matter. The all wheel drive rally specials are indeed good performing vehicles, and we are lucky to have them as choices in the market.
The RX-8 is for the true traditionalist, who understands that numbers alone do not express what is desirable in a car.
I hope this helps you.
02-11-2007, 07:57 PM
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Its all a matter of opinion. I choose the 8 because i love the style inside and out. Also its cool to have a different powerplant from everything else on the road. The EVO and STI were definately on my list of cars I wanted to own.
The 8 is a little slow for me. The EVO and STI both are very fast, but the looks just dont cut it for me. So all 3 cars had drawbacks in my mind. Now the reason I choose the 8 was because I can more easily hook up my engine then I could hook up the body of the other two cars ( thats just personal opinion because I have all the tools at my disposal to do the motor work, but body work I have none). Also the 8 was just lacking in one department, the engine. While the EVO and STI had two things I wasnt the most fond of, the exterior and interior.
So in short all three of these cars have drawbacks, its just which drawbacks are the easiest to overcome. Also which drawbacks are you willing to overlook. I love looking out my window and seeing my 8, its truly art in my eyes. Im also sure that I would love to look out my window and see an EVO, but my appreciation for that would be more about the engine which is the art piece of that vehicle.
The 8 is a little slow for me. The EVO and STI both are very fast, but the looks just dont cut it for me. So all 3 cars had drawbacks in my mind. Now the reason I choose the 8 was because I can more easily hook up my engine then I could hook up the body of the other two cars ( thats just personal opinion because I have all the tools at my disposal to do the motor work, but body work I have none). Also the 8 was just lacking in one department, the engine. While the EVO and STI had two things I wasnt the most fond of, the exterior and interior.
So in short all three of these cars have drawbacks, its just which drawbacks are the easiest to overcome. Also which drawbacks are you willing to overlook. I love looking out my window and seeing my 8, its truly art in my eyes. Im also sure that I would love to look out my window and see an EVO, but my appreciation for that would be more about the engine which is the art piece of that vehicle.
02-11-2007, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by MP3Guy
Here's the difference, and it comes from a the perspective of a lifelong involvement with performance automobiles:
The RX-8 is a GENUINE sports car. Although that may be hard to define in absolute terms, once you drive the car you will know precisely what I am talking about.
People like Ike prefer what amounts to tricked out Japanese Buicks- and those Japanese Buicks can rack up some truly impressive performance numbers, but if that's all that matters to you in a car, you are missing out on one of the key reasons you should be into cars in the first place.
Let me put this another way: when I was into riding motorcycles, the bike magazines would always do comparison tests between Hondas, Suzukis, Kawasakis and a Ducati thrown in.
The Japanese bikes would beat the Ducati at almost anything, and they were certainly far easier to own. But when it came down to which bike they actually wanted to own if they were spending their own money, the Ducati always "won." And that is because things like pride of ownership, the kind of relationship you have with your vehicle, the physio-kinetic experience of driving the thing, just don't come into the picture with these other mass market vehicles, and it is something that does not show in a data panel. There were plenty of cars in 1963 that could beat a Jaguar XK-E in many respects; however, to this very day, there is no other car I would want as badly to own from that era, more than 40 years later.
Now do you get it?
The RX-8 was purpose built to be what it is, and shares practically nothing with the other cars built by it's maker. It is THAT kind of all-of-a-piece workmanship that set the RX-8 apart from every other vehicle in it's price point, and well beyond, for that matter. The all wheel drive rally specials are indeed good performing vehicles, and we are lucky to have them as choices in the market.
The RX-8 is for the true traditionalist, who understands that numbers alone do not express what is desirable in a car.
I hope this helps you.
The RX-8 is a GENUINE sports car. Although that may be hard to define in absolute terms, once you drive the car you will know precisely what I am talking about.
People like Ike prefer what amounts to tricked out Japanese Buicks- and those Japanese Buicks can rack up some truly impressive performance numbers, but if that's all that matters to you in a car, you are missing out on one of the key reasons you should be into cars in the first place.
Let me put this another way: when I was into riding motorcycles, the bike magazines would always do comparison tests between Hondas, Suzukis, Kawasakis and a Ducati thrown in.
The Japanese bikes would beat the Ducati at almost anything, and they were certainly far easier to own. But when it came down to which bike they actually wanted to own if they were spending their own money, the Ducati always "won." And that is because things like pride of ownership, the kind of relationship you have with your vehicle, the physio-kinetic experience of driving the thing, just don't come into the picture with these other mass market vehicles, and it is something that does not show in a data panel. There were plenty of cars in 1963 that could beat a Jaguar XK-E in many respects; however, to this very day, there is no other car I would want as badly to own from that era, more than 40 years later.
Now do you get it?
The RX-8 was purpose built to be what it is, and shares practically nothing with the other cars built by it's maker. It is THAT kind of all-of-a-piece workmanship that set the RX-8 apart from every other vehicle in it's price point, and well beyond, for that matter. The all wheel drive rally specials are indeed good performing vehicles, and we are lucky to have them as choices in the market.
The RX-8 is for the true traditionalist, who understands that numbers alone do not express what is desirable in a car.
I hope this helps you.
Just because a car shares some parts or not doesn't make it any better or worse. My first trackday was done in an E30 M3, a brilliant car. But I guess because it shared so much with other basic 3 series it was a less impressive car in your eyes...
Numbers have little to do with why I buy a car and you calling the Evo a "tricked out Japanese Buick" just shows your ignorance. It also makes it clear that you have never actually driven one. I've driven the RX-8 and it's a great car, it just wasn't the car for me. Maybe the RX-8 is the car for the OP, maybe the Evo is, I'm just here to help him wade trough the BS that people such as yourself are posting.
02-11-2007, 09:26 PM
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i think people come into these threads just to argue, not debate. some of the veterans come into these threads to argue with Ike or put down the people that agree with him. Others make great additions to the thread but are overlooked because everyone secretly wants to see an arguement.
All in all, we'll never be able to have a true debate rx8 vs evo/Z/whatever thread.
All in all, we'll never be able to have a true debate rx8 vs evo/Z/whatever thread.
02-11-2007, 09:36 PM
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These are always loaded questions and is always a matter of personal choice. The EVO is an exceptional car regardless of its econ box beginning. The EVO is tuned to a far sharper edge then the RX-8 but it pays the price for this with a harsher ride and cheap interior and wart hog looks. Is this a bad thing, no in my book. It all depends what you want. I really like the idea of a AWD car. It would be interesting to see which car would do better at the track when completely modded out to their full potential.
I almost bought a STi but didn't want the boy racer stigma, on the other hand if I was in a position to pick up a third car this would be right at the top of my list.
I almost bought a STi but didn't want the boy racer stigma, on the other hand if I was in a position to pick up a third car this would be right at the top of my list.
02-11-2007, 09:45 PM
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my god people.
Just buy whatever the FUXK you want.
I think Evos are nice, STis are nice too.
You cant really say they're *ecobox* really .... because EVOs/STis's R&D was targeting WRC in the first place. they strip them down to *regular* version so they can get more sales. Remember, they're a business, they're here to make money, and they NEED to make money in order to survive.
I think the only car that I really *hate* would be Crossfire and Mustangs(any year model)
Just buy whatever the FUXK you want.
I think Evos are nice, STis are nice too.
You cant really say they're *ecobox* really .... because EVOs/STis's R&D was targeting WRC in the first place. they strip them down to *regular* version so they can get more sales. Remember, they're a business, they're here to make money, and they NEED to make money in order to survive.
I think the only car that I really *hate* would be Crossfire and Mustangs(any year model)
02-11-2007, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
my god people.
Just buy whatever the FUXK you want.
I think Evos are nice, STis are nice too.
You cant really say they're *ecobox* really .... because EVOs/STis's R&D was targeting WRC in the first place. they strip them down to *regular* version so they can get more sales. Remember, they're a business, they're here to make money, and they NEED to make money in order to survive.
I think the only car that I really *hate* would be Crossfire and Mustangs(any year model)
Just buy whatever the FUXK you want.
I think Evos are nice, STis are nice too.
You cant really say they're *ecobox* really .... because EVOs/STis's R&D was targeting WRC in the first place. they strip them down to *regular* version so they can get more sales. Remember, they're a business, they're here to make money, and they NEED to make money in order to survive.
I think the only car that I really *hate* would be Crossfire and Mustangs(any year model)
02-11-2007, 09:56 PM
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I think Mitsubishi got out of WRC in 2004 or 2005? They are suppose to make a come back with the new EVO.
Originally Posted by nycgps
my god people.
Just buy whatever the FUXK you want.
I think Evos are nice, STis are nice too.
You cant really say they're *ecobox* really .... because EVOs/STis's R&D was targeting WRC in the first place. they strip them down to *regular* version so they can get more sales. Remember, they're a business, they're here to make money, and they NEED to make money in order to survive.
I think the only car that I really *hate* would be Crossfire and Mustangs(any year model)
Just buy whatever the FUXK you want.
I think Evos are nice, STis are nice too.
You cant really say they're *ecobox* really .... because EVOs/STis's R&D was targeting WRC in the first place. they strip them down to *regular* version so they can get more sales. Remember, they're a business, they're here to make money, and they NEED to make money in order to survive.
I think the only car that I really *hate* would be Crossfire and Mustangs(any year model)
02-11-2007, 10:11 PM
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Originally Posted by VRZOOMZOOM
They tend to think that you have some taste, also they think its just as expensive as an entry level luxo car. what that cost like 35-40K?? haha.
02-11-2007, 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by tmak26b
I think Mitsubishi got out of WRC in 2004 or 2005? They are suppose to make a come back with the new EVO.
02-11-2007, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
You're just jealous of the glory that is Crossfire!
I just saw a Grey Crossfire today on Canal ST ..... and I was looking at him and gave him a smile, he probably thought that I think his car is cool or something and he smile back and left. but I was thinking *OMFG YOU'RE DRIVING ONE OF THE SHITTEST CRAP EVER KNOWN TO MANKIND!!!! RUN FOR YOUR LIVESSssss*
Crossfire .......................................... burn in hell.
02-11-2007, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by tmak26b
I think Mitsubishi got out of WRC in 2004 or 2005? They are suppose to make a come back with the new EVO.
Evo X looks nice, actually Im thinkin to get one, but Im gonna wait at least a year or 2 so they can work out all the bugs first.
Never get first year model car ya kno
02-11-2007, 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
They left in 2004 I think because they got their *** kicked so many times that its not even funny anymore
Evo X looks nice, actually Im thinkin to get one, but Im gonna wait at least a year or 2 so they can work out all the bugs first.
Never get first year model car ya kno
Evo X looks nice, actually Im thinkin to get one, but Im gonna wait at least a year or 2 so they can work out all the bugs first.
Never get first year model car ya kno
02-11-2007, 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Ike
As pointed out above it was the end of the 2005 season and their withdrawl had nothing to do with their success or lack there of the prior season, it was financial.
it doesnt matter, if they win every year Im sure they wont have any *money* problems. If they win more = more fame.
but guess not.
02-11-2007, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by nycgps
Really 2005 ? hmm
it doesnt matter, if they win every year Im sure they wont have any *money* problems. If they win more = more fame.
but guess not.
it doesnt matter, if they win every year Im sure they wont have any *money* problems. If they win more = more fame.
but guess not.
02-11-2007, 11:22 PM
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I love threads like these!
Should I buy an iron or pay for my clothes to be pressed?
Who gives a rats ***.
A man does ask someone elses opinion on stupid matter like this.
Should I buy an iron or pay for my clothes to be pressed?
Who gives a rats ***.
A man does ask someone elses opinion on stupid matter like this.
02-12-2007, 06:00 AM
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Originally Posted by VRZOOMZOOM
You'd be suprised at what your car reveals about you. If i rolled up in an EVO to take people out to lunches. i think i might be taken less serious and viewed as a punk kid, immature or what have u. These clients have their luxury cars and i think they have a certain expectation of the people they meet for business. They might be even more reluctant to ride in my car if i drove an EVO.
You can convince them otherwise of your character, but I can only imagine it's that much extra work. The reason is because many people probably do subconsciously pre-categorize people by what they drive and what they wear.
02-12-2007, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Ike
As pointed out above it was the end of the 2005 season and their withdrawl had nothing to do with their success or lack there of the prior season, it was financial.