RX-8 vs. EVO
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Originally Posted by 9291150
You're picking the best of one and worst of another. Ok, let's stick with C&D, they also tested an 8 at .91 on Dunlops, and I saw two other tests of the Evo in C&D, one with .90 and another with .93 results. Hence my conclusion. I'm not even getting into transition/slalom times where the 8 also shows well.
No idea how that "exoticcarsite" sourced its data.
No idea how that "exoticcarsite" sourced its data.
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Originally Posted by dbb
it's going to bleed some more now ...
http://www.ffcobra.com/FAQ/handling102_part2.html
I think we all agree so far ... an AWD has more grip and can carry higher corners speeds. No one is disputing that.
However ...
http://www.ffcobra.com/FAQ/handling102_part2.html
I think we all agree so far ... an AWD has more grip and can carry higher corners speeds. No one is disputing that.
However ...
i dont see how this article supports your statement. but thanks for the read though. think about it this way...you said something like "when the tires break loose".
now theres understeer and oversteer for lack of traction.
when oversteering, since the front tires are applying torque as well, AWD usually increases controllability. i dont think this is what you were talking about though.
in the case of understeer which i suspect that is what you are referring to in your assumption, it is true that a RWD with enough torque and the right suspension settings, that a driver can correct with power oversteer.
however, with enough torque and the right settings an AWD car can power oversteer as well. in December, i installed a version 8 STI with motor and drive terrain into an 2.5RS. believe me, with a 40/60 (i think) mechanical torque split that thing oversteers. bad...
while it was a good read, there are points in that article that i dont necessarily agree with though. according to the article, AWD has more stability then RWD mid corner. from my experience RWD is more stable at high speeds mid corner. this article also speaks of AWD as if it never oversteers which just isnt true.
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Do other people besides myself find it as funny as I do that some guy is arguing about the feel of a car that he has never driven. It's like me writing a movie review without ever watching the movie.
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Originally Posted by playdoh43
tmak26b is not alone, BMI have also made similar comments on multiple episodes. fanboys need not get bitter, no one said that rx8 is not a great handling car. in fact im pretty sure everyone here agrees that the RX8 is one of the best handling cars out there, Tmak26b included. Stop acting bitter everytime theres something negative is said. rx8 is not gods gift to men, nor is the evo or the 350Z, get over it.
Btw, I think the highway feel has a lot to do with the power steering of the 8. The steering is way too light on it for higher speeds.
#132
Originally Posted by Ike
Do other people besides myself find it as funny as I do that some guy is arguing about the feel of a car that he has never driven. It's like me writing a movie review without ever watching the movie.
i find it simply hilarious
#133
Originally Posted by Ike
The FQ-400 and it does not have any different suspension or steering from a standard MR. Unless of course Mitsubishi is lying to us... One thing I did forget to mention is that it does have upgraded brakes with Ferodo pads. As for turning like a truck, I'm guessing you're speaking of the turning radius. All Evos are like that, it's one of the drawbacks of the super quick and responsive steering. It just takes a few days to get used to it, but the first time I went to pull a U turn I was a bit shocked...
The TopGear video mentioned something about the turning circle. I have driven EVOs in person, they don't turn anything like that. 38.7 ft turning circle is far cry from being bad. It looked really bad in that video.
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Originally Posted by playdoh43
its something along the lines of the 500hp nismo GT-R z-tune. super limited production
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I actually used to own an evo. i loved the car and it was an absolutely amazing drive. my only problem was the body lines and the engine...i know that sounds weird, but i'm just more of a sports car body line guy. also the engine. it was fine yes, BUT IT WASN'T A ROTARY!!!
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Originally Posted by tmak26b
You do know the FQ400 is not a true factory car right? They were imported into England as a regular car, they got the swap done through RalliArt UK. You don't find that car in Mitsubishi's website. Plus, isn't an EVO a grey market car in the UK anyway? (I could be wrong on that one)
The TopGear video mentioned something about the turning circle. I have driven EVOs in person, they don't turn anything like that. 38.7 ft turning circle is far cry from being bad. It looked really bad in that video.
The TopGear video mentioned something about the turning circle. I have driven EVOs in person, they don't turn anything like that. 38.7 ft turning circle is far cry from being bad. It looked really bad in that video.
It's not gey market, they're sold through Mitsubishi dealers. But they are tweaked from the factory by a few places for Ralliart UK and were officially sold through Ralliart UK. It's confusing, I know. But it's not grey market and they are on Mitsubishi's site.
http://www.mitsubishi-cars.co.uk/evolution/range.asp
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Originally Posted by Ike
The only time I've ever seen the Evo and RX-8 compared on the same day on the same track I think the peak Lateral G for the Evo was 1.10 and the RX-8 was .95. IIRC the peak corner speed for the Evo was 73 mph and for the RX-8 it was 64 mph. The test was done at Rockingham. Evaluating a car based on a dry skidpad has its flaws as does just about every car test known to man. How much better the Evo is than the RX-8 on a skidpad is going to depend greatly on the conditions.
I agree that the skidpad test isn't everything. That's why I liked the recent Car & Driver test - the "lightening lap" issue. Both the 8 and the Evo had identical average speeds through the handling sectors, and both had identical minimum speeds through the corners, beating far fancier hardware that they tested that day.
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Originally Posted by playdoh43
Stop acting bitter everytime theres something negative is said. rx8 is not gods gift to men, nor is the evo or the 350Z, get over it.
After your 1200 posts you'd think you'd be right more often.
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Originally Posted by 9291150
WTF? I'm acting bitter? Can you show me where? You’re the one calling me a fanboi because I disproved what you said with facts? Oh, more facts…Automobile tested the 8 at .94 and the Evo at .91. Road & Track tested both at .88…shall I go on. All I said ever said is that there isn't this huge divide as you suggested.
After your 1200 posts you'd think you'd be right more often.
After your 1200 posts you'd think you'd be right more often.
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Originally Posted by 04RX8VR
I actually used to own an evo. i loved the car and it was an absolutely amazing drive. my only problem was the body lines and the engine...i know that sounds weird, but i'm just more of a sports car body line guy. also the engine. it was fine yes, BUT IT WASN'T A ROTARY!!!
Its funny though when I really compare the two....both the RX8 and the Evo both meet my needs from a handling standpoint. The EVO rings the bell on engine performance, and the RX8 has a more sporty personality and certainly looks a lot better and has a nicer interior in my opinion. At the end of the day they both excel at getting you from point A-Z on a twisty road faster than any other cars I have owned and I have owned a lot of performance cars.
JR
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Originally Posted by 9291150
Not sure whta you're referring to here Ike.
I agree that the skidpad test isn't everything. That's why I liked the recent Car & Driver test - the "lightening lap" issue. Both the 8 and the Evo had identical average speeds through the handling sectors, and both had identical minimum speeds through the corners, beating far fancier hardware that they tested that day.
I agree that the skidpad test isn't everything. That's why I liked the recent Car & Driver test - the "lightening lap" issue. Both the 8 and the Evo had identical average speeds through the handling sectors, and both had identical minimum speeds through the corners, beating far fancier hardware that they tested that day.
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Originally Posted by 9291150
After your 1200 posts you'd think you'd be right more often.
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Originally Posted by 9291150
WTF? I'm acting bitter? Can you show me where? You’re the one calling me a fanboi because I disproved what you said with facts? Oh, more facts…Automobile tested the 8 at .94 and the Evo at .91. Road & Track tested both at .88…shall I go on. All I said ever said is that there isn't this huge divide as you suggested.
After your 1200 posts you'd think you'd be right more often.
After your 1200 posts you'd think you'd be right more often.
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Originally Posted by Jacques79
Who cares what other people think?
Thank God we don't all drive the same cars or else it would be a boooooooring world.
Enjoy life, if you have more pleasure driving an EVO than an RX-8 get an EVO.
Life is too short to stress about things like these.
Thank God we don't all drive the same cars or else it would be a boooooooring world.
Enjoy life, if you have more pleasure driving an EVO than an RX-8 get an EVO.
Life is too short to stress about things like these.
Cheers,
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I found one of my Wheels magazine (Australia's top selling car mag) , August 2004 edition.
It has a EVO VIII vs RX8 vs HSV Clubsport (think of a 4 door Pontiac GTO) comparison.
It's a long article, so I'll try and be unbiased and put in the relevant quotes / points.
It has a EVO VIII vs RX8 vs HSV Clubsport (think of a 4 door Pontiac GTO) comparison.
It's a long article, so I'll try and be unbiased and put in the relevant quotes / points.
In the real world environment, the Evo VIII is the scruffy headed, trouble making kid with attention deficit disorder. It lags a tad off the line with a tallish first gear - there's another bomb hole below the cruising fifth - but in four tightly bunched gears there's no disguising the fire hose surge and manic cog snatching urgency of this turbomotor's mid range.
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The Mazda's six slot box has the best shift action of this bunch, being lighter, shorter and quicker than the Mitsubishi's firm five speed
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On the road the Evo VIII has only two states of being : ***** out, or unzipping in readiness. It's a shiv hidden in a running shoe.
... the steering has zero sneeze factor, and turn-in is outrageously immediate - helped, sometimes spookily, by a sensation of rear roll steer , largely the work of the active Yaw control rear differential.
... the Mazda RX8, the most low slung and lightweight of the three. It feels it, too, combining a broad and confident footprint with consistently weighted steering and great grip. The softish but stable chassis can be wheeled away late into corners and will simply scrub off speed in the turn in, then hold its line. It also boasts the best brake feel here, if not the outright stopping power to match the Mitsu ...
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The Mazda's six slot box has the best shift action of this bunch, being lighter, shorter and quicker than the Mitsubishi's firm five speed
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On the road the Evo VIII has only two states of being : ***** out, or unzipping in readiness. It's a shiv hidden in a running shoe.
... the steering has zero sneeze factor, and turn-in is outrageously immediate - helped, sometimes spookily, by a sensation of rear roll steer , largely the work of the active Yaw control rear differential.
... the Mazda RX8, the most low slung and lightweight of the three. It feels it, too, combining a broad and confident footprint with consistently weighted steering and great grip. The softish but stable chassis can be wheeled away late into corners and will simply scrub off speed in the turn in, then hold its line. It also boasts the best brake feel here, if not the outright stopping power to match the Mitsu ...
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Originally Posted by dbb
I found one of my Wheels magazine (Australia's top selling car mag) , August 2004 edition.
It has a EVO VIII vs RX8 vs HSV Clubsport (think of a 4 door Pontiac GTO) comparison.
It's a long article, so I'll try and be unbiased and put in the relevant quotes / points.
It has a EVO VIII vs RX8 vs HSV Clubsport (think of a 4 door Pontiac GTO) comparison.
It's a long article, so I'll try and be unbiased and put in the relevant quotes / points.
Why don't we take a look at their handling olympics article where both the RX-8 and Evo competed. Why don't I just post the article rather than taking "unbiased" relevant quotes.
http://wheels.carpoint.ninemsn.com.a...Alias=wheelsau
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I've never said it wasn't quick. It is.
Look at the summary, they are comparing the EVO to the hallmark driver's car : the rx8.
From the same handling olympics article , the rx8 :
And, btw, I don't feel dumb, but I do take satisfaction you have lowered yourself to petty name calling. I suppose your argument style goes well with your boy-racer tricked up lancer with the low rent interior.
Look at the summary, they are comparing the EVO to the hallmark driver's car : the rx8.
Pete McKay rates the Evo as the slightly better drive, with a fun factor equal to RX-8’s.
Grabs you early and firmly. Not an abundance of power, but has a beautifully balanced chassis, devoid of any obvious vices. Quicker than it feels, which is a sign of competency. Great front end, with little understeer. Neutral through most of the cornering exercises, with no clear urge to snap into oversteer. The Bridgies seem nicely mated to mature dynamics. Brakes feel strong. Slalom confirms good balance while skid pan reveals nothing but excellence – flat, settled suspension and little requirement for throttle adjustment. Hip-hugging seats round out an impressive package.
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Originally Posted by dbb
I've never said it wasn't quick. It is.
Look at the summary, they are comparing the EVO to the hallmark driver's car : the rx8.
From the same handling olympics article , the rx8 :
And, btw, I don't feel dumb, but I do take satisfaction you have lowered yourself to petty name calling. I suppose your argument style goes well with your boy-racer tricked up lancer with the low rent interior.
Look at the summary, they are comparing the EVO to the hallmark driver's car : the rx8.
From the same handling olympics article , the rx8 :
And, btw, I don't feel dumb, but I do take satisfaction you have lowered yourself to petty name calling. I suppose your argument style goes well with your boy-racer tricked up lancer with the low rent interior.