downshift

So now that the observed lower horsepower has been addressed by Mazda, any word on whether the fuel efficiency (or rather, deficiency) complains are well-founded?

BRealistic

If you really believe your car is not performing in the MPG area as advertised and rated after it is properly broke in, the have you local Mazda dealer do a MPG test.

Just an 'unrelated' note: My truck just got its best MPG EVER on its last tank (over 22mpg- half city/ half highway-0 and I don't baby it), and it just turned over 19k miles. Go figure. My carbed 85 rex's last tank was 15mpg- but it was ALL BACK ROAD BLASTS. This is my extra car, and I only drive it when I WANT to have FUN.:D I think 15mpg for driving that always has the gas or brake peddle to the floor is pretty darn good, especially for a 18-19 year old 176k mile carbed 'unreliable' rotary.:p

Lock & Load

Since here in OZ we have already been downgraded from original
184 KW AND 216NM TO the now 177KW AND 211NM I am hoping we stay with those figures .

MAZDA THAT USED TO OPERATE THEIR BUSSINESS BY WAY OF BUSHIDO (HONOUR CODE OF JAPANESE WARRIOR ) KNOW SEEMS TO BE OPERATING THEIR BUSSINES (BY WAY OF DECEPTION )

Its dissapointing that it takes the consumer to get mazda to wrigth their wrongs.

Dont regulatorie bodies check on engine power outputs , its hard to believe that mazda has once again mistakenly gave the comsumers wrong figures.

You would think that it could not have won ENGINE OF THE YEAR AWARDS WHITOUT THE ENGINES BEING PROPERLY TESTED.

I will contact mazda OZ on monday and see what they say about the rx8 in OZ I hope we dont get downgraded once again.

Jims5543

iTrader: (1)

Its good to see Mazda fess up. Although it pains me to see the poor numbers. I was kind of hoping we would see results like the newest Cobra. A lot of owners are seeing RWHP that is the same as flywheel claims. I was hoping Mazda would do the same with the 8 and give lower #'s in the press. Does everyone remember a long time ago when the 8 was projected to have 280HP. It never stopped dropping. I was getting really pissed evertime the "Provisional Target" was dropped lower.

My reason for being here is because a member of this site made an *** out of himself on NoPistons and got banned ripping me a new butthole.

http://www.nopistons.com/forums/inde...howtopic=22684

See for yourself. I have one thing to say to this guy. Your right Mazda did come out with a big announcement but not quite what you expected was it?? I want to call you names right now but will refrain so as to remain within the forum rules.

I wanted a RX-8 but I would not buy the first ones out I wanted to wait and see if they were liked by their new owners. Specifically RX-7 owners. Then I heard Mazdaspeed was working on a special edition. So I was waiting for that.

I decided on a CooperS Works addition to buy until the Mazdaspeed 8 arrives. I hope Mazda can turn this around. I really like the 8 a lot. I like the back seats mostly. It pains me to leave my 7 at home when the family is comig along.


I really wanted Mazda to build a Corvette Killer. Looks like I will just have to keep building them myself. I heard some one here put a 20B in the 8 awesome idea.

TJRX8

In the letter we received with our Thermos/Coffee mug gift it says in reference to the award/engine:

Prowla

[qoute]From how I understand what was said, If you have a car on order, whether it is built or not, you will be able to take advantage of the program. It is extremely important though that you make sure your dealer has all you info in the customer information screen in his vehicle request report. This is what Mazda will use to determine those customers that have preordered cars. One other note, Mazda has requested that any dealer that has taken a deposit on an RX8 and the customer decides he does not want to purchase it, return that customers deposit without hesitation.[/qoute]

Just in case some people missed this in the ever growing thread. My mom ordered her car at the beginning of this month, she should be able to receive the $500 correct?

Genom

From info posted so far, yes. It seems that anybody that ordered up to a certain date that I think I saw was August 26.

rx7 rage

just great!....do u guys think this is the end of the rotary?

Prowla

That's good news for my mom, it saves her some money. I was like "Well, you could choose to take your deposit back or you can keep the order and take what Mazda's offering." Without hesitation, she's taking the car and the offer. Didn't even think twice.

OmegaBob

I have a $500 deposit down and my car is built, currently on water and is due in Sept week 2. Was expecting to pay MSRP.

So you think I have any room to negotiate now?

What about since I ordered the AT? Still negotiate?

loco4rx8

I would certainly think you'd have excellent room to negotiate. Won't hurt to try anyway. Just tell them you know about the hp issue and that the hp that the engine is now rated at is not what you ordered. They almost HAVE to listen to you. You may not get much, but I feel sure you'll get something. Good luck!

jester3653

New HP numbers are now present on the Mazda USA site.

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/hand...modelYear=2004

Haris

Oh my god. Oh crap. This is very very bad news. How could they not get good rating. Crappy crap. Everyone will now say, it'll be good if RX8's rating stays up to 238 since it has been change many times now. Automatic now under 200 HP. Are they crazy? Now its not even worth buying it. I mean it used to be reated higher than TSX, prelude, etc. and now its lower. Mazda should just shoot them selves in the head. I mean mazda6, and all other mazdas were fine. What about RX7? It didnt have any stupid problems like this. I just dont get it. Argh... Good thing I didnt get one. I guess Mazda6 is still better choice. Shame on you mazda. If I bought RX8 I would ask them to take off like $1000 at least from MSRP price.


*EDIT: I was wondering did Nissan, Honda, or Toyota ever make a mistake like this? If so, on which cars?

loco4rx8

:o The sky is falling! The RX-8 is a piece of crap! It's no good at all, someone please take mine away -- I will trade it to you for a bag of potatoes and some marbles.

Haris

No, I still like RX8 and it's very cool, but come on, honestly, what the heck was mazdas problem. This would be same if Nissan claimed 350 HP on 350z, or Honda rated S2000 at 280 HP. By some time, mazda will tell people Manual version is rated at 210 HP and auto at 170 HP. I'd hate to see this happen.

loco4rx8

I'm just playing with you, Haris.

It's frustrating for people, and I don't know what Mazda's problem is with this kind of thing. It's truly puzzling. Surely, they knew people would be dyno'ing their cars and would find out. That's why it's hard for me to accept the idea that this was intentional deceit. I tend to think this has to do with the emissions, but even that leaves questions, such as "why didn't they know the car wouldn't meet US emissions standards before they claimed 247hp?"

Still, I think they've stepped up and addressed this one. I, for one, am happy with the car's performance, regardless of the HP rating. Now, what would upset me is if the engine turns out to be unreliable. That would be far worse than overrating the horsepower, as far as I'm concerned.

TybeeRX-8

This is most disappointing. My car is due in next week and I wonder if the $500 credit and free service will apply since I haven't purchased the car yet. What is more disconcerting is that even the hp reduction doesn't explain the dyno results, that is the fall off in power and torque at 6250rpm. It doesn't explain why this happens way before 8500rpm. Something still just doesn't seem right about all of this. It is inexplicable to me that Mazda would commit the same sin with the 8 as they did with the Miata in 2000. Someone should be commiting hari kari in Japan about right now or doing the "Hyundai swan dive" over this. I still want my car but think this error is all but unforgivable. Ok, so I probably won't notice the difference in daily driving, but it still bothers me that Mazda would do this for a second time. The Ford solution to the Mustang error would be much more acceptable. Think about it. When the Aurthur Anderson folks involved with Enron lied, they went to jail. This is corporate malfeasence of the highest order particularly since it happened once before and the mea culpas in the form of a $500 credit and free service really don't cut it as far as I'm concerned. Damn, this is really disappointing.

Haris

Well at mazda's website, it still says 160 HP!

Superfan

Well this explains the hold up at the port. I think they knew about this even before anyone took delivery of their cars. The good thing is that the PCM is flashable so it won't be long before we have more than 247hp. Mazda if you're reading this [and you know you are] you can anonymously send me the bin's for the 247hp map, how to write it to the PCM and we can forget about the $500.00. :D :D :D

broose

The MAzda Canada website still states 247 hp for the M/T and 207 hp for the A/T. I wonder when they're going to change that!

Skyline Maniac

That's the point, people~ It's not about the car but the company that sells it. Mazda USA has a rather poor track record when it comes to consumer service, advertisement honestly and they have a bad habit of making exaggerated claims they know full well they cannot back up. Don't tell me a fleet of RX-8 test mules that have been running around Irvine in the last 6 months and they just figured out there is a power deficiency 2 days ago - impossible. They knew the car did not make 247hp but decided to advertise it as such to get attention. (Gotta admit though, it does make a difference because even the new Accord and Altima are rated at 240+hp and so is the S2000. ) This is unexcusable coming from a large coorporation such as Mazda USA, and the fact that they have done it before makes it even more rediculous.

Now the next question: If they lied about the power rating and needed to be 'caught' to admit the truth, then how can they be trusted? What next? Do we have to question the fuel efficiency, reliability and safety of this car since they can't even be trusted with the most basic power rating~

CarEnthusiast

We have the same doubts Skyline Maniac. I posted my concerns over in this thread...

http://www.rx8forum.com/showthread.p...5&pagenumber=2

Genom

Well, I think people here are intelligent enough to make a choice on their own. They dont need to be spoon fed others opinions. Credit people you dont know with having at least as much intelligence as yourself I always say. Wish some people here would try the same courtesy.

A 6s Owner

Being that I'm not an owner of an RX-8, I can't express my frustration towards this terrible news, but I wanted you guys to know that you have my empathy.

To put it lightly, I'd be pissed as **** after spending that kind of money.

Ike

I think that all depends on sales from here on out and reliability.
I for one was really excited about the RX-8, saw the numbers in some mags was a little disappointed especially that is wasn't a lightweight car, saw the best motoring video, saw the dynos, each little thing made me wonder... Saw the dyno results, then I went a drove the car, I found it to be a fun nice car but unimpressive in the power department, but was still thinking eh it would be a fun car for my firlfriend to get and I could drive it now and a again. This is it for me, with some of the screwy problems people have been having (cels, oil lights, awful gas mileage. etc.) and now the release from Mazda I don't want to touch the car with a 10 ft. pole.

I'll stick with my good ole tried and true pistons thank you very much. I'll still admire the car for being different and also for being a good looking car, but only as long as it's in someone elses driveway.


Ike