nk_Rx8

Drive the **** out of it and then send it back for the refund. And then if you still want the car, buy a new one possibly cheaper.

ClA

I guess the word is out......

http://forums.clubrsx.com/showthread...hreadid=101436

ClA

As a RSX Type S owner, i love the RS-8. It looks SWEET!!!! The style and everything. I never had the chance to test drive one, so can't comment on the preformance.

But it really **** me off how companies lie to consumers like that. If they want to do business, at least be honest about their products!!!

Mazda Monkey

Use your $ 500 to buy the K & N intake system. That will get you your HP!!!! 16 I believe.

jmanolov

Yup - this is a great idea. Get a new Miata without many extras - the price should be even under $20K.
And you start with a car which is much much more fun to drive than the RX-8.

Put in it a good MP62 supercharger kit (www.brperformance.net)
And it will be much faster than RX-8

Plus it has the advantage of being able to drop the top and enjoy the wind in your hair ...

The only disadvantages are the lack of the 2 extra seats if you have to carry people and the rotary engine smoothness and sound.

But in anything else sports car related and fun-to-drive the Miata beats the RX-8 ...

BRealistic

You just had to quote my typos, didn't ya. I can't type or spell to save my life, and after a hard day at work and five quick MGDs you'd think you would cut me some slack? Is that carple tunnel, or tennis elbow?

Ok, I have read alot about the Renesis enigne (with glee). Mazda engineers have said several times that the reliability of the Renesis will surpass the bulletproof 12a's of the 78-85 RX7s. Now I have an 176k mile all original (engine/trans) 85 Rx7, and I can take it too beyond seven grand daily and it never wimpers, misses or smokes. Even the non turbo 13b enignes were prone to flooding an other electronic problems that led to premature engine problems (overheated engines were not the fault of the engine, but poor service). But technology has come along way. That statement was not meant to be a cheap shot at Hondas, even though I have to admit to being slightly anti-Honda, because I am slightly anti-establishment, and Honda's have become cliche for reliable even when the reliability numbers show that they are only a small percentage better than most other competiing brands, and that Honda makes mistakes- that go mostly unreported by the media because Honda=good ,and the buying public would rather hear about Ford's mistakes since that fits into their already pre-formed stereotypes. But I digress, I like Honda cars- they are very well engineered for their distinct purposes. I looked at a used 99 Civic Si before realizing how overvalued it was..
Anywho, the compresssion statement was pure specualtion- but I based it at least on some logic.:D But I have been drinking. That makes six MGDs. Dang, I need to go hit some golf *****- my tee time is at eight in the morn .

donald121

I hope K & N didn't lie about the hp too. 16hp? Just for a intake? I would be happy if it gains 6hp.

jmanolov

Yeah, right, an air intake will pull out 16hp of its a$$.
If air intake would make the car that much more powerful, don't you think Mazda will already have it installed.

All these intake hp claims are so laughable ...

Ike

I think if I were one of the guys that paid MSRP or even above sticker I would be paying my dealer a visit very soon. I would imagine this is going to cost Mazda millions and isn't a good thing for PR even though they are fixing it.

Ike

tribal azn2

wow news travels fast

i have to agree with this guys comment tho:
"Doesn't Mazda own at least 1 ******* dyno?"

Genom

So those air intake kits they sell that are proven to work better on cars than the tock intakes are all fake huh? Come on man. Lighten up a bit and at least wait for it before you critisize it. Your assuming you know more about air intakes than a whole lotta people that do this. There's even been pictures of the prelim setup posted and hopefully soon dyno sheets.

Forgot to mention that Mazda has a vested interest in selling you new filters, etc sicne service is where the dealers really make money. SO a filter that you WONT have to be changing is not something they will be promoting too much.

Oh well, whatever. I know *I* will be getting it when it's out.

Zoom zoom.

loco4rx8

It will indeed be interesting to see how this affects PR for Mazda. They were smart to catch this early and to "fix" it by placating their customers. They were also smart to time this on a Friday afternoon, rather than the middle of the week. Most folks take a break from the news and Internet on the weekends, so this should minimize damage on that front. I wonder if any major media outlets will pick up on this.

Yes, Mazda and the RX-8 are going to take some lumps from this but because all this took place before their major TV ad campaign (I assume one's coming ) started, they may come out of it relatively unscathed as far as the general public is concerned.

I know I didn't even know about the Miata HP issue until a month or so ago when I started reading about it on this forum. So, I'm sure the general public had no idea.

P00Man

probably didnt have a dyno at port and because the JDM spec emmissions couldnt pass so they had to make them all the slightly lower power, either way, 9hp doesnt bother me one bit, i got a great car that i LOVE (and thats still faster than most things on the street anyway...not like that matters at all though lol) and 500 bucks to boot
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ClA

I am pretty sure the company know what the HP is, they are just not honest about it.

rotarygod

From the looks of some of the other forums this definitely isn't helping publicity. The word will only spread from there. Word of mouth is a very powerful advertising tool. The forum is even taking flak for not allowing people to just come in here and free range or cry like babies as I like to refer to it. It's only "officially" 13 horsepower but it may as well be 50 in the publics eye. When someone retunes the ecu so the car runs leaner, we'll see the power go back up. Emissions will get even lower then too so who knows what's up. 2nd gen n/a RX-7's get alot more power by leaning them out. Something tells me that we will see subsequent year models being available with more power. I was about to order a Gray one from Jeff Haas Mazda in Houston but now I'm not willing to pay sticker price anymore. Everyone else is getting the same car but getting free service and $500 spending money. I'm just going to wait until the price goes down or until a more powerful version (boosted?) comes out. If I do buy one now, there had better be some good incentive. It isn't so much the power problem that bothers me since I'll play with the car anyways. It's the lack of freebies that everyone else is getting that I won't have that is going to hold me back. Looks like the Civic (hate that car!) will have to stay around as daily driver a little longer. It gets double the gas mileage anyways.

P00Man

im pretty sure mazda will come out of this fine, im just SLIGHTLY more concerned about a future rx-7 now, though.

however, like loco4rx8 said, since the major ad campaigns are yet to take off, i doubt it will be detrimental to rx-8 sales, and thus to the production of a future 7
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loco4rx8

Yeah, word of mouth is powerful. In this case, though, I'm of the opinion that most people just don't care about these numbers and certainly don't frequent these types of boards. We are some really cool people around here, but we're different from most. :D I just don't think Joe or Jane Shmo is going to ever hear about this and if they do, they probably won't really care much.

I hope I'm right anyway. This could get messy if Dateline or somebody got hold of it and ran a big story on Mazda, Ford, and other "deceitful" automobile companies.

I just really don't think Mazda has anything to hide here. They were wrong on the HP, and they admitted it. They are doing something to make it right with their customers. It's frustrating, but that's about it.

ZoomZoomH

iTrader: (1)

to avoid those that would sign up just to FLAME

those that do sign up usually have something better to say than "your car is slow!! muahahahhaha" (most of the time at least)

and it's working thus far :D

RX-Nut

How long before dealers are aware of this news?

I dont want my dealer thinking I'm NUTS by even mentioning it.

jmanolov

Changing the intake + bigger exhaust (headers, midpipe, exhaust), and remapping the ECU or putting an aftermarket programmable ECU and few hours at the dyno might do a 16hp increase along with increased engine/exhaust noise.

But just an intake - yeah right - the Mazda engineers are NOT THAT STUPID. Most of these claimed hp numbers for intakes are pure BS and the main target is getting the ricers' money ...

The RX-8 is not a grocery getter with restricted air intake from the factory. If you want the horsepower - look into ripping out your ecology pieces and remapping the ECU with more aggresive maps ...

BRealistic

What do those run $$$>? I am still playing with a set of 13 year old Ping knock offs. Great clubs for their time, but things have changed. And my right elbow has been giving me fits by the back nine. Still, I need longer shafts than standard (I am 6ft 5, with long legs) and these are a perfect lenght. But...... . .


Ok, how many people posting negative crap are actual RX-8 or even Mazda owners? I just can't believe an RX-8 owner would be so critical of a car with so much personality. Now, if you had buyer's remorse because you paid too much, I can understand why you might want be thinking about a buyback (personally, I would never pay more than MSRP far any vehicle. I something came out and I had to have it, but the dealers wanted an extra few grand over MSRP minimum, I would wait a few months and take a vacation with that extra cash- of course, I am not a 'first on the street' kind of guy. I really couldn't care less about my 'image'. Maybe that is why I have been a Mazda fan for so long- because Mazdas are about being fun to drive and not about image or horsepower). I wonder if the dealers who sold RX-8s at more than MSRP will be forced to refund the additional mark-up? Anywho, if you are an RX-8 owner and are considering the buy back option, drive your car for miles and miles over the next few weeks before you decide. It will give it more time for break in, and give you more time to understand the car beyond the media hype. After that, if you want to have it bought back, then why not. But then what do you buy to replace that car that you order just for you?

Either way, be true to yourself and don't let public opinion dictate what you do.

bassik277

I was wondering how this all applies to people leasing the car?

Murgen

Man, this is totally disappointing. Low gas mileage at a time of high gas prices!! -9 HP fiasco (ok, not the big a deal and they did fess up). And it is still faster than my current car. 238hp is plenty for most cars and I'm sure the RX-8 still flies. But, I keep wondering what else Mazda screwed up on with this car that will show up in a couple months. I'm having serious 2nd thoughts about buying this car. Yes, this issue has cost them at least one potential customer for the time being.

I'll drive my bimmer a few more years and see where the RX-8 (hopefully RX-7) is at that time. Have fun with your toys, they are still really kewl/interesting cars.

TJRX8

This has to be the fastest growing thread in a long time.

Anyway...If it really includes buying the car back at full price including fees and taxes I have a feeling I will be returning the car. With this little blunder here's my take:

1) there will be plenty of NEW 8's available BELOW MSRP and there will be plenty of deals to be had.

2) there will also be a few low mileage used ones

3) I can put the money in the bank and in a year get a "0" mileage new car and I would be willing to bet "cheaper".

4) Maybe my new one will get a MPG fix also


Although with the tires for life deal and free maintenance all I have to pay for is gas and insurance...hmmm.

pelucidor

Finally got home to find the fastest growing thread I've ever seen.

Personally everything worked out almost as I'd hoped. Best would have been for Mazda to say 'oops - fixed to be 247hp at first service'. The second best is to bribe me to be happy - and $500 and free servicing is perfect. I loved the car when I knew it was 247hp, and still loved it after we knew it to be 180rwhp, and even now when it is 238hp (a little optimistic as this means a 24% drivetrain loss) I am still happy. The worst would have been for Mazda to say and do nothing and pretend everything was OK.

My only worry is that I was hoping a HP fix would also give us a fuel economy improvement. Looks like I'm stuck with 17mpg.