santino

the miata power issue did last for a few months...but the interesting thing is that i have not heard of any owner that sold their miata back to Mazda. the owners loved their cars that much. and i get the same feeling from the RX8 owners here. i know it is for me.

the power deficiency does not worry me. the effect on the possibility for a new 7 does.

santino

ranger4277

So it is down on power, that doesn't explain the anomolous curve in the dynos we've seen. Something is off in the 6250+ rev range compared to mazda's published dyno chart.

RX-Nut

Another question is how about those who got theirs at a markup? If they do decide to give up the car, how would the buy back work then?

Not that I'm saying I would.. but it does question the mind.




Yes yes, I did pay some markup.

BlueAdept

Well said... it looks to me like you guys got the Euro3 (240PS) ECU, in the UK we get Euro4 emissions (231PS) and that'll be just fine...

The first cars are not due to arrive here until late october, but I get to drive one tomorrow!!!

ChrisW

No, I'm pretty sure eccles is correct.

The documentation you have posted shows "250 hp". However there are two measurement standards for horsepower, one based on imperial units which is used in the US and UK (SAE horsepower) and one based on metric units (DIN horsepower) which is used in most of the rest of the world (including Japan).

A further complication is that DIN horsepower is sometimes referred to as PS from the German word for horsepower (Pferdstarker). But not always. It can, quite correctly be referred to as just hp.

Because both of these measurements can simply be described as hp then the "250 hp" on the original documentation is ambiguous and does not specify either metric or imperial horsepower.

The US website, last time I looked specified "247 hp (SAE)" but it originally said "250 hp". It just so happens that 250 (DIN) hp = 247 (SAE) hp. Coincidence? I doubt it. It seems extremely likely that the original figure was in DIN hp (or PS) - not surprising as this is probably what Mazda use internally.

Jimmylove

speechless

budaman

Concerning the Miata buybacks, they were first offered to employees of MNAO. The ones that were left were either offered to the dealers as used cars or were sent to the auction. One other thing, when Mazda bought back a Miata, the customer had to sign a release saying they would not be able to turn around and purchase another one. Two other areas that will come into play, will be for those that paid over sticker price and who traded in a car they were upside down in. I don't know how that will play out but should be covered in the letter.

mmjames

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well if it is the same offer as the mazda it is for
every maintenance as described in the owner s manual:
oil, oil filter, drain plug gasket, inspections, and labor
at every 5,000 mile interval and at 30,000 mile you will
also get air filter,spark plugs,m/t oil, rear diff oil.
as well as tire rotations at every 3,750 miles. this is
all from the miata program. it may be different for the rx-8.
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Thanks ibfubar2000

That's some good info. Looks like its a keeper for me.

BlueAdept

OK, 250BHP (DIN) = 247BHP (PS)

These numbers are both "horsepower", so unless the document states if the "horsepower" measurement is DIN or PS then they can claim it's whichever they like.

PS is simply "Metric" horsepower...

I think it's incredibly stupid, but there you have it... Lets just forget HP as a measurement it's not much use anyway, gimme it in Kw any day... at least you know where you are then.

canzoomer

So, that would put it RIGHT ON the figure of 228HP ( 230PS) as advertised in Europe and the UK.

GRIN!

khoney

Kinda makes you think about giving it back and waiting till next year's model, when all will be well again... On top of that, there will be no more MSRP asking price.

Wing

I don't think it will be 247 next year either, it's probably "238" to stay. Until they do something else, maybe in 2 years, or mazda speed who knows.

I'm sure we'll get some ribbing though now, when the 350z is 287! That's a BIG difference now.

canzoomer

Knowing from personal experience that Nisan ALSO lies about horsepower in N. America ( I am a former Spec V owner) I wonder what the 350Z ACTUALLY makes??

ibfubar2000

how much is it????
to answer this question if you give back your rx-8 you get no car back but you get no car payments and have to buy a new car
approx $32,000 goes to the bank to buy off the car only.
if you take the maintanence.
at our dealer it is aprrox $1,000 for all the maintenece. so you will get to keep your rx-8 and will get approx $1,500
again this is all just speculations complete exact totals may differ.

ibfubar2000

yeah but look at the car style. co comparison. rx-8 is a hell of a lot better looking...imo

donald121

Now, my question is how much our cars will depreciate if we keep the car for 4-5 yrs? I know every car will depreciate but will this make it depreciate more? What happened to the Miata?

ZoomZoomH

iTrader: (1)

remember how Car and Driver did the comparo between G35 Coupe, SVT Cobra, and RX-8, and RX-8 only lagged behind the other 2 in lap times by only like a second and change?

now consider it's running almost 40 HP lower than the G35c!!!

it's doing more with less!!!

loco4rx8

Well, I'm glad this is done. And I'm glad Mazda has come to the table and quickly offered to try to make this right.

I'm slightly disappointed, but on the way home today, I went over 600 miles and went ahead and redlined the car. I tell you -- it's fast enough for me! That was fun! This is a terrific car for me, and there's no way I'm giving it back. I got mine for $250 below MSRP, so I don't feel quite as cheated as some, and I knew from the start that in 6 months' time, I'd see the cars going for much less anyway. The free service will come in very handy. Frankly, I'm pleased.

Budaman, thanks for sharing this with us. It's good to have you around and willing to help out.

I have two questions:

- Is there any indication that Mazda will require people to take the car back to the dealer where they bought it to get the free service? Or will any Mazda dealer work?

- Will the owner of the RX-8 get to choose which maintenance schedule (1 or 2) they will follow?

Thanks!

ibfubar2000

1. any mazda dealer. the dealer will run your vin n umber in their system and it will show that the car is covered. any mazda dealer only though. cant go to independent shop.

2. you can choose, but you have to keep with 1 or the other you can not do both( yes miata owners have tried it does not work that way)

mazdaexe

HI ibfubar2000,

where abouts is the dealership you work at? Cuz if Im going to bring it back to the dealership for service, I want to bring it to a good one!.

Thanx

ibfubar2000

browning in cerritos, CA.

BRealistic

First off, RX-8s are a near perfect blend of style, quality, performance, price and practical space IMO. A car that will be loved for many years to come by many owners long after luxury SUVs are considered rediculous dinosaurs of the past.
Second, if the current trend of 'aftermarket performance parts' offered by the dealerships continues into the Mazda/Mazdaspeed brand, you guys with $500 credits may be able to use that towards considerably more power returned in a Mazdaspeed exhaust or intake (or supercharger).
Third, the Renesis engines are 100% hand built (anybody that has ever rebuilt a rotary will understand why). There will be some minor tolerance issues, and varied outputs. BUT, and this is a big BUT (not BUTT), I still believe that given enough time the RX-8s currently making less than 190hp at the wheels will gain several horsepower as the engine breaks in even more, putting the output to within the 5% window of 247hp.
The ligher rotors of the Renesis engine means less actual inertial force of the apex seals= which translates into a longer break-in to maximum compression and maximum ourtput and maximum fuel economy (compression ratio= fuel economy) This may be what Mazda expected all along, but instead of trying to explain how the engine is so tough and overbuilt to modern piston engine standards that it will take 10k miles for anything close to maximum output, they decided to save face and refund some bucks when the internet frenzy was more than they ever expected (and seemingly mostly fueled by non-Mazda enthusiats). BUT, this also means that if it takes this long for the apex seals to wear to the housings, it also will take that much longer for the engine to wear out. Do you realize what that means? The Renesis engine could be a 9k rpm all day long engine that last much longer than even the best babied Honda engine. Now that is something to think about, and if true will transform Mazda into a worldclass pro sportcar manufacturer again.

r0tor

iTrader: (1)

they gave them the missing power


... i'd be more happy for a ecu tune job so I get the full power AND the gas milage I paid for... there is no reason for a fuel injected car to get 15mpg and have the whole rear of the car covered in black soot.

antman_x

This is interesting. I paid a little too much for mine and i just got my updated insurance rates ($942 6mos in Daily City, CA for 2 drivers).

I will consider this and maybe get a miata. Under my budget the car payments are pretty steep. Looks like I get a get out of jail card for free. but the 8 is so badass makes it hard to part with.

What to do what to do...

jmanolov

So they "fixed" the horsepower number with less than 10 hp change ?!?! ( 247 -> 238 )

238 hp at the crank -> 180 hp at the wheels ?!? 58 hp drivetrain loss? yeah, right .... Mazda North America are full of crap these days ....

How can a Miata with the same power output as the RX-8 have just 26 hp drivetrain loss .... ?