jimbobjoe

The current european standard, EURO3 would allow us the same power that you now have 237bhp. The reduced power is so the car meets the EURO4 standard that comes into effect in a couple of years. Car makers here seem to want to make a big fuss that their new cars meet not only the current standard, but the new much stricter one for 2005/6.

I have no idea how this compares to Californian emmissions standards.

BlueAdept

Euro4 is the most stringent emissions standard in the world... hence our cars have less power than even california.

Prowla

Oh come on man, not everyone from the RX7Club is bad! *Cough* Me *Cough* :p

Anyhow, so has Mazda told us the reason why the hp numbers were lower yet?

RomanoM

Any word on why the lower rating?

Was it just a mis-com between Japan and Mazda NA?

I'm assuming the engine always made 238bhp, just adverstised wrong.

I still think I'll take delivery.

joemama

I think the decision on whether to purchase the car with this new information has become much more difficult for someone buying an automatic. (I know that I'm in the minority as a (potential) future AT owner, so I guess it sucks to be me ;-) As I'm sure you all have read in many other posts, the (lack of) performance in the AT is much more noticeable than the MT. Now that the AT has shown to be (at best) 197HP, I've become truly torn as to whether $30,800 is too much for what I'm getting. If I was buying an MT, I would be leaning to buying it as the performance difference is not as great.

It looks like I'm going to pull back my deposit and what to see what happens with the brand. I have no ill will towards Mazda. A mistake was made, it was owned up to, and there is a solution being offered. I just don't think the AT is worth the $$$ right now.

Is there anyone else stuck in this purchase purgatory???

BOOSTD 7

Uhmmm, look who's talking ... Mr. "I've been banned from rx7club numerous times".

atr_hugo

SVT is pretty jealous of their reputation. The hp fiasco on the '99 really smarted and lead to no Cobra's being produced for the 2000 model year.

It turns out that that problem was due to a late exhaust change and intake manifold problems (from an external supplier).

Don't ever expect SVT to make a HP claim again that isn't met or exceeded by independent dyno testing.

350 Formula

And you would be wrong.....

I have been following this forum for awhile and was thinking about trading in my Formula (it is now 16 years old). With all of the talk on this site and the low gas mileage it is looking bad.

I think I will wait until next year to see what happens.

350 Formula

I guess I am one of those 'trolls' you mention...

However, I have been reading this forum for a couple of months since it was the only 'good' place that I could find info about the RX8. I was hoping to test drive one and see how good it was when I completed my move from NY to Houston. Now, I see oil light problems, fuel mileage problems and now horsepower problems.

Defend your purchase all you want, but for some who were looking to buy it makes you pause to see all of this stuff on your own site by OWNERS of the car.

zthang

This is a Z owner here, and i've been reading this thread like crazy the last couple days because its so interesting. And honestly, I think the owners here are taking this in too much stride. You guys paid ~$30k for this car. Have you forgotten that? That is a heck of a lot of money for a sporty looking coupe. True, 9hp isn't much, but i thought from the beginning that 248hp was pushing it price-wise. The incredible quality of a BMW 3 could be a better choice at that price b/c they're sporty too. But anyways back to what I was saying....LISTEN TO THIS GUY!!!!! You owners should really think about ganging up on Mazda and CALLING THEM OUT!! Make them give you what you paid for. Don't play into their game and accept their first offer....its like in a lawsuit, never take the first offer. Please dont flame me or call me a flamer. I think this car looks HOT, and I want to see it live up to its potential so that when i see an 8 at a stoplight in my Z, I can look over and give that dude a nice head-nod b/c weve got nice performance cars that give incredible bang for the buck.

PS: Don't flame I love the 8

Jims5543

iTrader: (1)

I had personal differences with Mr. Belvi a.k.a. Li Ho Zai. It was by no means dramatic trust me. I would just diapear without explanation. Belvi dosn't like being picked on. I made a mistake of calling him a "Fool" so he banned me. Pretty dramatic huh??

Look at you trying to suck me into a flame war so you can ban me.


I know how to play by the rules now so its really not a problem anymore. I have a current membership there just choose not to use it. I do however use the PM system to keep tabs with some friends I have made over the years.

If any of you think your fellow rotary fans are giving each other hi 5's over this you are wrong. I personally am really upset over this. I want one and will get one in the next year or two. I am anxious to see what the aftermarket has to offer as far as power adders.

Lee Chun

sucks for someone who hasn't taken delivery yet. i would looove to have 500 bucks and free maintenence..

Jims5543

iTrader: (1)

Thanks, finally!! I am a member of Stangnet and I am in the process of posting up to the 99 Cobra owners howe they managed to get Ford to fix this. I personally feel this is the only option Mazda should be offering. If you take the $500 and run trust me there will be board members with Ford laughing that it worked. Then it will SUCK for us future RX-8 owners that have to accept the fact that you caved into them.

You RX-8 owners hold the bargaining power right now think what would be in your best interest before you decide. Mazda is holding its breath right now hoping you'll fall for this quick fix offer and go away.

Jims5543

iTrader: (1)

Wouldn't it be better to get the car you paid all that money for??

eskimo

What did I pay all that money for? HP? not. If it were, I woulda gotten a Z. But I needed a back seat and a sunroof, and I needed a car that would fit in my garage.

So... what you're saying is, suck 'em dry, spit 'em out, take 'em for all their worth. Do that and who wins? Lawyers. We could squeeze an extra few $ out, and Mazda will stop making great cars. IANAL, RU?

graphicguy

Whoever did the 15.3 1/4 must be terrible at the track if that's all he could muster with the RX8.

msrecant

I already have the car I paid all that money for!

Napboy

Are you telling us that we should have sympathy for Mazda when they knowingly advertised falsely? And if you think that consumers standing up for their rights is a lose-lose situation, I'm afraid you're mistaken. The attitude is not to punishish Mazda and bankrupt them, but rather get a fair settlement after negotiation. And believe me, Mazda will survive no matter what we do.

loco4rx8

No, I don't believe I am, thank you. You are not the type of person I was referring to as Joe and Jane Schmo. You have been reading this site for a while. 99% of people are not reading this site.

As for "all the talk on the site," are you just selectively reading? There have been many positive posts from owners who are very happy with their cars. Unfortunately, on any owners forum, a lot of the posts are going to be focussing on problems. That's the nature of the beast. You'll find that at ANY car forum.

I was reading the forum before I decided to make my purchase. I drove the car, loved it, and bought it despite the complaints of a few. If you decide to wait for a while, more power to you. I initially wanted to do that, but after driving the car and falling in love, I just couldn't bring myself to wait any longer.

graphicguy

What Mazda is saying is they think that $500 and free service is what the 9 missing HP is worth, so if you don't think that's enough compensation, then they will take your car back and you can buy something else that would make you happier.

XUrotaryrocket

I took delivery of mine a few weeks ago.

I am very happy with the car........ as I never expected it to be lightning fast. Also, I have had NO quality/reliability issues.

I say we take their offer AND get them to re-tune the ECU's.

Unlikely, maybe. But, it is worth a shot.

Evil Weevil

FWIW... Regarding the quote that Thor posted...

As far as we are led to believe, here in the UK the RX-8 will meet the future (2005/6?) EU emissions regulations which are STRICTER than current California regs.

Jims5543

iTrader: (1)

No thats what you are saying.

FORD - Fixed its cars.

Mazda - gives you a check pats you and the back and breathes a sigh of relief you went for their offer.

I am saying get Mazda to fix your car not pay you off. You did not get what you paid for. You bought a RX-8 with 210 HP not 247 as advertised.

I case you do not read back a few pages or posts for that matter.
I want to buy an RX-8 and I am simply waiting for the Mazdaspeed addition. I want you RX-8 owners who are holding the cards for every potential customer to step up and make Mazda fix it. LIKE FORD DID.

THOR

No not teriible at the track, just not enough horsepower to run quicker. Sears Point is typically 2 tenths slower than Sacramento here in California. If you look at this site:

http://douglevinmotorsports.com/HP_calc.htm

And put in 15.3, 90mph and 3000 pounds you get 171 hp at the wheels based on trap speed and 166 horsepower at the wheels based on ET. Change the ET to 15.1 (Sacramento) and you get 173 horsepower at the wheels based on ET. Thats about what these cars are making at the tires on various dynos. The car should run around a 14.2@96 mph to be making the 239 horsepower claim I think.


Thor.

graphicguy

You keep missing the fact that, for all intents and purposes, those of us who have already bought the car, Mazda essentially lowered the price by about $1,500 (~$1,000 for service + $500 credit). You have also missed the fact that if any of us don't think that's enough, then they WILL take the car back.

As far as them doing something about upping the HP, the only way they'll do that is if the RX8 starts languising on the dealer's lot and they have to bump up the value quotient somehow (or they'll just discontinue making the car). So far, dealers are selling all that they can get their hands on, so that's not an option either.

IF you haven't bought an RX8 yet and this is a big issue for you, the other choice is to spend about $3K more and get a similarly performing 350Z, that's not nearly as refined as the RX8. Or, you can spend about $10K more and get a vette and have one of the fastest cars commercially available (short of the exotics).

Lots of choices here.