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Old 12-06-2004, 08:38 PM
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Question maybe the lost HP is not lost

engine year vehicle disp. hp torque

13B Twin 92+ RX-7 Seq. Turbo 654 x 2 = 1308 9.0 255/6500, 217/5000
MSPRE 95+ RX-01 MulSidPrt x 2 220/8500, 159/6500
13B Renesis 99 RX-Evolv NA engine, 280 HP



Seems the rx-8 and renesis started as 280 hp
then became 250 hp - as touted
then to 238 hp - as sold
and dyno at what? 220hp?

Did Mazda just drop a 1995 mspre into
the RX-8 with 220 hp@8500 and 159T@5500
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the mspre 95 was never sold, the numbers are mazda's creation. it is however the prototype for what became the renesis. the path went 220(mspre)-280(rx-evolv)-250(rx8 #1)-238(rx8 #2, which is really more like 220).

the engine was detuned due to emissions regulations regarding the catalytic coverter's lifespan.
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Too bad we can't opt to replace the cat every year for the added ponies.
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Didn't he post this same flawed hypothesis a couple days ago? Deja vu...
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Originally Posted by RotaryNoob
Too bad we can't opt to replace the cat every year for the added ponies.
that's what stage 1 is for!

(and it reduces cat life to a hypothetical 50k miles, which isn't all that bad)
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yea really, who needs a cat :D
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sorry if it was double posted, but the webn site must have been slow to show the thread.

I don't think the theory is 'flawed', but it is strange that the RX-8 HP is what themspre was in 1995.
Probably only minor variations between mspre and renesis.
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The theory is flawed, because it implies that Mazda has done almost no development to the rotary since 1995.
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It was aliens, they brainwashed Mazda engineers into putting a low HP engine into the RX-8 as to disgruntle owners in an attempt to shake the world in order to take over all racing events.
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replace "aliens" with "Brain and Pinky" and you have my theory ^^
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When you say that's what stage 1 is for, do you mean canzoomer?
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yes
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Originally Posted by Icemastr
It was aliens, they brainwashed Mazda engineers into putting a low HP engine into the RX-8 as to disgruntle owners in an attempt to shake the world in order to take over all racing events.

Maybe the aliens left the 250 HP rotary in your RX-8!

Mine was left with the 'rotary of the year' model.

Wish those aliens would have reduced the fuel usage when they reduced the HP :D
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by mazda doing what they did, they reduced power and increased consumption!

instead of just putting a better CAT on the car...goddamn cost models
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