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04-29-2005, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
Funny, because it's not often that I compare the WRX to the RX-8 unless someone else brings it up. So I'm not sure why you would make assumptions.
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Really, I've caught myself doing the same thing. After a while, I start reading W, R and X into everything you say about any car, right or wrong. Maybe you need to post as IkeLikesFastCars - King non-Troll.
04-29-2005, 07:32 PM
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KHTM blue guy said it straight. You NEVER feel like you're pushing the 8. By second gear in a fast merge, I've got the traffic under thumb. I maybe hit 8k sometime if someone needs a lesson. That's rare. I ease into the near lane, then WIND IT LOUD into the next lane once it's clear, just for fun. Don't drive like an a-hole. Drive like someone who gets looked at and admired for slick and respectable moves.
04-30-2005, 12:56 AM
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Originally Posted by 124Spider
The stock radio and speakers on the S2k are so bad, you can't hear it on the highway with the top down, so I guess they figured that there's no reason to have such a device stock.
That actually is the biggest knock on what otherwise is a spectacular car--why put a radio in it that's so bad you simply have to replace it? Why not either put a radio which actually is usable, or just wire it so the buyer can choose the radio?
That actually is the biggest knock on what otherwise is a spectacular car--why put a radio in it that's so bad you simply have to replace it? Why not either put a radio which actually is usable, or just wire it so the buyer can choose the radio?
04-30-2005, 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
I don't dispute any of that, I was simply using it as an example showing that the WRX isn't just some drag car. Not at all saying the WRX is a better car because it has some national titles, because that's simply not the case and in stock class the RX-8 is clearly the better autox car.
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Originally Posted by NoCones
That's fine. But saying "Want to remind me how many national titles the RX-8 has won, because the WRX has won some," sure made it sound like a "WRX vs. RX-8" comment to me. If you just wanted to defend the WRX, there was no need to mention the RX-8.
04-30-2005, 05:09 PM
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Repsonding to a bunch of your stuff, IkeWRXbutnotreallyaboutWRXbutinsteadheretocontinua llytellRX8ownerstherealitythatIthinkthecartheyboug htisoverrateddespitethefactthatyouallloveyourcarsw hichItrulycannotunderstand:
1) Butt Dyno and pulling insanely: My butt-dyno is fine. You don't own the car, therefore you have no RX-8 calibrated butt dyno. Last time I checked, "pulling insanely" is not a scientific term. If I say my car pulls insanely, then it pulls insanely. At least it doesn't run out of breath like 80% of the so-called performance cars on the market. I love the way it drives.
2) 1500 CC shifter cart - got me there, fat-fingered the zero key - should read that as 150 CC shifter cart. NOW THAT pulls insanely!
3) Winston Cup Cars: Two areas here. I used to run the racing sponsorships program for a major brand of electronics, and we had sponsorships in both Indy Car (both CART and then IRL) and in Winston Cup when I was doing this work. While yes, I've driven the RPDE a number of times (and those cars are still very serious on power - they have 600+ horsepower engines, but the engines are rev-limited to 6000 RPM, so the most power they will produce (since they are limited well below the HP peak), is about 450, but I digress), but on two occasions, considering that I held an SCCA pro competition license at the time, I was allowed to drive one of their backup/testing cars out on the track, "follow the leader" style with their test driver. We pulled about 170 in the back stretch at MIS doing this, and about 165 down the main straight away at the Brickyard.
My work in auto racing sponsorships is also the reason I've driven so many sweet rides on tracks. I can't say I competed in more than three or four of those, but have had lapping sessions in all of them, much to my eternal delight and memory.
Ike, I just get pissed off when you, under the guise of "I only speak in reality terms" make sure to rain on the enjoyment of every RX-8 owner in here whenever we speak in terms of enjoyment over the performance of our cars, and then the moment we say the we don't happen to like the WRX (and I don't, in case you haven't figured out), then you start whining that we're bashing. Can't have it both ways. Don't **** on someone's ride and you won't get yours pissed on either. The facts are out there about the cars as far as numbers go, but who gives a flying **** about numbers other than geeks with small-dick disease. What matters is "do you enjoy the investment you're making in your car."
I love my RX-8, I think it pulls insanely, it has a spectacularly wide powerband which makes it a blast to drive on the track, and it attracts onlookers and comments every where it goes. And there's not a damn thing you can say that will make me think otherwise, so everytime you say it, expect an argument.
Don't put the knock on someone in here just because they subjectively love their car. You'll find there is plenty of talking to Stew.
Good night everyone, you've been a great audience.
1) Butt Dyno and pulling insanely: My butt-dyno is fine. You don't own the car, therefore you have no RX-8 calibrated butt dyno. Last time I checked, "pulling insanely" is not a scientific term. If I say my car pulls insanely, then it pulls insanely. At least it doesn't run out of breath like 80% of the so-called performance cars on the market. I love the way it drives.
2) 1500 CC shifter cart - got me there, fat-fingered the zero key - should read that as 150 CC shifter cart. NOW THAT pulls insanely!
3) Winston Cup Cars: Two areas here. I used to run the racing sponsorships program for a major brand of electronics, and we had sponsorships in both Indy Car (both CART and then IRL) and in Winston Cup when I was doing this work. While yes, I've driven the RPDE a number of times (and those cars are still very serious on power - they have 600+ horsepower engines, but the engines are rev-limited to 6000 RPM, so the most power they will produce (since they are limited well below the HP peak), is about 450, but I digress), but on two occasions, considering that I held an SCCA pro competition license at the time, I was allowed to drive one of their backup/testing cars out on the track, "follow the leader" style with their test driver. We pulled about 170 in the back stretch at MIS doing this, and about 165 down the main straight away at the Brickyard.
My work in auto racing sponsorships is also the reason I've driven so many sweet rides on tracks. I can't say I competed in more than three or four of those, but have had lapping sessions in all of them, much to my eternal delight and memory.
Ike, I just get pissed off when you, under the guise of "I only speak in reality terms" make sure to rain on the enjoyment of every RX-8 owner in here whenever we speak in terms of enjoyment over the performance of our cars, and then the moment we say the we don't happen to like the WRX (and I don't, in case you haven't figured out), then you start whining that we're bashing. Can't have it both ways. Don't **** on someone's ride and you won't get yours pissed on either. The facts are out there about the cars as far as numbers go, but who gives a flying **** about numbers other than geeks with small-dick disease. What matters is "do you enjoy the investment you're making in your car."
I love my RX-8, I think it pulls insanely, it has a spectacularly wide powerband which makes it a blast to drive on the track, and it attracts onlookers and comments every where it goes. And there's not a damn thing you can say that will make me think otherwise, so everytime you say it, expect an argument.
Don't put the knock on someone in here just because they subjectively love their car. You'll find there is plenty of talking to Stew.
Good night everyone, you've been a great audience.
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Originally Posted by StewC625
Repsonding to a bunch of your stuff, IkeWRXbutnotreallyaboutWRXbutinsteadheretocontinua llytellRX8ownerstherealitythatIthinkthecartheyboug htisoverrateddespitethefactthatyouallloveyourcarsw hichItrulycannotunderstand:
1) Butt Dyno and pulling insanely: My butt-dyno is fine. You don't own the car, therefore you have no RX-8 calibrated butt dyno. Last time I checked, "pulling insanely" is not a scientific term. If I say my car pulls insanely, then it pulls insanely. At least it doesn't run out of breath like 80% of the so-called performance cars on the market. I love the way it drives.
2) 1500 CC shifter cart - got me there, fat-fingered the zero key - should read that as 150 CC shifter cart. NOW THAT pulls insanely!
3) Winston Cup Cars: Two areas here. I used to run the racing sponsorships program for a major brand of electronics, and we had sponsorships in both Indy Car (both CART and then IRL) and in Winston Cup when I was doing this work. While yes, I've driven the RPDE a number of times (and those cars are still very serious on power - they have 600+ horsepower engines, but the engines are rev-limited to 6000 RPM, so the most power they will produce (since they are limited well below the HP peak), is about 450, but I digress), but on two occasions, considering that I held an SCCA pro competition license at the time, I was allowed to drive one of their backup/testing cars out on the track, "follow the leader" style with their test driver. We pulled about 170 in the back stretch at MIS doing this, and about 165 down the main straight away at the Brickyard.
My work in auto racing sponsorships is also the reason I've driven so many sweet rides on tracks. I can't say I competed in more than three or four of those, but have had lapping sessions in all of them, much to my eternal delight and memory.
Ike, I just get pissed off when you, under the guise of "I only speak in reality terms" make sure to rain on the enjoyment of every RX-8 owner in here whenever we speak in terms of enjoyment over the performance of our cars, and then the moment we say the we don't happen to like the WRX (and I don't, in case you haven't figured out), then you start whining that we're bashing. Can't have it both ways. Don't **** on someone's ride and you won't get yours pissed on either. The facts are out there about the cars as far as numbers go, but who gives a flying **** about numbers other than geeks with small-dick disease. What matters is "do you enjoy the investment you're making in your car."
I love my RX-8, I think it pulls insanely, it has a spectacularly wide powerband which makes it a blast to drive on the track, and it attracts onlookers and comments every where it goes. And there's not a damn thing you can say that will make me think otherwise, so everytime you say it, expect an argument.
Don't put the knock on someone in here just because they subjectively love their car. You'll find there is plenty of talking to Stew.
Good night everyone, you've been a great audience.
1) Butt Dyno and pulling insanely: My butt-dyno is fine. You don't own the car, therefore you have no RX-8 calibrated butt dyno. Last time I checked, "pulling insanely" is not a scientific term. If I say my car pulls insanely, then it pulls insanely. At least it doesn't run out of breath like 80% of the so-called performance cars on the market. I love the way it drives.
2) 1500 CC shifter cart - got me there, fat-fingered the zero key - should read that as 150 CC shifter cart. NOW THAT pulls insanely!
3) Winston Cup Cars: Two areas here. I used to run the racing sponsorships program for a major brand of electronics, and we had sponsorships in both Indy Car (both CART and then IRL) and in Winston Cup when I was doing this work. While yes, I've driven the RPDE a number of times (and those cars are still very serious on power - they have 600+ horsepower engines, but the engines are rev-limited to 6000 RPM, so the most power they will produce (since they are limited well below the HP peak), is about 450, but I digress), but on two occasions, considering that I held an SCCA pro competition license at the time, I was allowed to drive one of their backup/testing cars out on the track, "follow the leader" style with their test driver. We pulled about 170 in the back stretch at MIS doing this, and about 165 down the main straight away at the Brickyard.
My work in auto racing sponsorships is also the reason I've driven so many sweet rides on tracks. I can't say I competed in more than three or four of those, but have had lapping sessions in all of them, much to my eternal delight and memory.
Ike, I just get pissed off when you, under the guise of "I only speak in reality terms" make sure to rain on the enjoyment of every RX-8 owner in here whenever we speak in terms of enjoyment over the performance of our cars, and then the moment we say the we don't happen to like the WRX (and I don't, in case you haven't figured out), then you start whining that we're bashing. Can't have it both ways. Don't **** on someone's ride and you won't get yours pissed on either. The facts are out there about the cars as far as numbers go, but who gives a flying **** about numbers other than geeks with small-dick disease. What matters is "do you enjoy the investment you're making in your car."
I love my RX-8, I think it pulls insanely, it has a spectacularly wide powerband which makes it a blast to drive on the track, and it attracts onlookers and comments every where it goes. And there's not a damn thing you can say that will make me think otherwise, so everytime you say it, expect an argument.
Don't put the knock on someone in here just because they subjectively love their car. You'll find there is plenty of talking to Stew.
Good night everyone, you've been a great audience.
04-30-2005, 10:07 PM
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Geeze IKE what does it matter? Huh?
OK, just so you can prove your "it's all about the numbers" small schwanz disease really does permeate your entire being, I went back in my files, found the email where I was invited by my buddy to come drive his new toy with him for an afternoon of lapping and track testing at a Kart road course in the Austin TX area, and lo and behold it was a 125 CC shifter cart, not a 150 CC.
There, ya happy big guy? You proved me wrong. You're right, I haven't driven a 150 CC shifter cart because you're right, I'm wrong, they don't exist. But I did do more than 100 laps that day in a 125 CC shifter cart.
Whoo boy, you owned me! Wow. I bet you feel like you're man now, huh?
And regarding the whole broad powerband issue, yes, the RX-8 DOES have a broad power band for MY usage and in MY experience on the race track with MY car. I should point out that, it's a car that you don't own, and don't have any base of knowledge to talk about other than the published numbers on the car, which of course you know as if they were imprinted on your DNA for some sick and sad reason. MY RX-8 give ME useable power from 3000 to 9300 RPM, and REALLY REALLY usable power from 4000 to 9300 RPM that I use on the autocross track to great advantage because I don't have to shift as much.
IkeWRX (because you sure as hell aren't IkeRX-8), I'm totally trying to understand what your point is. Other than being the usual person that you always are, which is to disagree with subjective statements of proud RX-8 owners, enjoing their RX-8s in an RX-8 forum, why are you here? Isn't there a WRX forum somewhere for you?
OK, just so you can prove your "it's all about the numbers" small schwanz disease really does permeate your entire being, I went back in my files, found the email where I was invited by my buddy to come drive his new toy with him for an afternoon of lapping and track testing at a Kart road course in the Austin TX area, and lo and behold it was a 125 CC shifter cart, not a 150 CC.
There, ya happy big guy? You proved me wrong. You're right, I haven't driven a 150 CC shifter cart because you're right, I'm wrong, they don't exist. But I did do more than 100 laps that day in a 125 CC shifter cart.
Whoo boy, you owned me! Wow. I bet you feel like you're man now, huh?
And regarding the whole broad powerband issue, yes, the RX-8 DOES have a broad power band for MY usage and in MY experience on the race track with MY car. I should point out that, it's a car that you don't own, and don't have any base of knowledge to talk about other than the published numbers on the car, which of course you know as if they were imprinted on your DNA for some sick and sad reason. MY RX-8 give ME useable power from 3000 to 9300 RPM, and REALLY REALLY usable power from 4000 to 9300 RPM that I use on the autocross track to great advantage because I don't have to shift as much.
IkeWRX (because you sure as hell aren't IkeRX-8), I'm totally trying to understand what your point is. Other than being the usual person that you always are, which is to disagree with subjective statements of proud RX-8 owners, enjoing their RX-8s in an RX-8 forum, why are you here? Isn't there a WRX forum somewhere for you?
04-30-2005, 10:47 PM
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StewC, why are you telling people to go to other forums? truth hurts that much huh?
Me and Ike(who has thousands of posts) are obiously interested in this car a lot. Also we have as much right as you owners to post in this forum. there are pros and cons in every cars and things we mentioned are true cons about rx8. you keep correcting what you said throughout this thread (vs. Ike) and that's pretty obious that you just want to hide from the truth. we are not bashing it, grow up and listen to what other people are saying man.
I belong to a drag? lol yea sure. I haven't even mentioned about handling except I said rx8 will be fun on track. keep making up stuff man.
oh, wait, what forum should i go now? can you direct me? how about Hummer forum??
Me and Ike(who has thousands of posts) are obiously interested in this car a lot. Also we have as much right as you owners to post in this forum. there are pros and cons in every cars and things we mentioned are true cons about rx8. you keep correcting what you said throughout this thread (vs. Ike) and that's pretty obious that you just want to hide from the truth. we are not bashing it, grow up and listen to what other people are saying man.
I belong to a drag? lol yea sure. I haven't even mentioned about handling except I said rx8 will be fun on track. keep making up stuff man.
oh, wait, what forum should i go now? can you direct me? how about Hummer forum??
04-30-2005, 10:54 PM
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I don't know the WRX hardly at all (only having been in one once, and that was an STi), and I do know the RX-8, but it struck me reading Stew's post that the whole "usable power band," when applied only to RPMs, actually may be kind of looking at an incomplete statistic.
When I'm driving on the track or doing an autocross, what's important to me is not the "usable revs," but the usable speeds in each gear. That's especially true in autocross, since I have to decide when it makes sense to shift (especially when it makes sense to downshift to first). It would make no difference to me whether I had a 6000 rpm power band or a 2000 rpm power band, if the speeds covered were the same. For instance, the Corvette does not rev nearly as high as the RX-8, but it has so much torque that (especially in the lower gears), it pulls very well even at very, very low rpm. I would guess that a Corvette rarely (if ever) would have to downshift to first in an autocross, while an RX-8 would find that useful far more frequently (you better believe I don't like competing against the Corvettes in A Stock, even though I rev twice as high as they do).
So what's really important, I think, is the combination of your torque curve, gearing and full band of your revs. Change any one of these, and you get quite a different beast.
When I'm driving on the track or doing an autocross, what's important to me is not the "usable revs," but the usable speeds in each gear. That's especially true in autocross, since I have to decide when it makes sense to shift (especially when it makes sense to downshift to first). It would make no difference to me whether I had a 6000 rpm power band or a 2000 rpm power band, if the speeds covered were the same. For instance, the Corvette does not rev nearly as high as the RX-8, but it has so much torque that (especially in the lower gears), it pulls very well even at very, very low rpm. I would guess that a Corvette rarely (if ever) would have to downshift to first in an autocross, while an RX-8 would find that useful far more frequently (you better believe I don't like competing against the Corvettes in A Stock, even though I rev twice as high as they do).
So what's really important, I think, is the combination of your torque curve, gearing and full band of your revs. Change any one of these, and you get quite a different beast.
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Originally Posted by khtm
Have you driven an RX-8? I mean REALLY driven an RX-8?
I'm guessing not, because if you had, you'd know it NEVER feels like you're "pushing the car", and even at maximum RPM, the engine is a lot quieter than most cars at 5,000 RPM...it sure aint a "screamer"
I'm guessing not, because if you had, you'd know it NEVER feels like you're "pushing the car", and even at maximum RPM, the engine is a lot quieter than most cars at 5,000 RPM...it sure aint a "screamer"
That right there is so freakin true. :D
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
All this because I said a high redline is nice and all but usable powerband is what really matters in my eyes. You're a little off Stew, and stop twisting the things I say around. FYI, you didn't say 1500 you said 150cc shifter kart and I still say they don't exist, at least not to my knowledge.
i dont even want to know what you're post count on NASIOC is...
and Stew, seriously just let off him, its not that big of a deal, it should MATTER what he says because you know that you like your car and he CANT change that, and he will never change my opinion of the car.
and please dont look down at subaru owners because not all of them are annoying trolls like ike is, i love the WRX/STi/2.5RS/SVX because they're all great cars and i think you should really give the cars a shot, you'll be blown away, theyre great.
off topic, but i heard the WRX or the STi has some problem over the 3rd something or another port that causes catastrophic failure after modifying and hard driving over time(sorry i dont know that much about the crs but one of my buds that has a evo MR and knows a shitload about turbocharged vehicles told me this, and he's very astute about these kinds of things)
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The funniest thing about this thread and the path it has taken is I wasn't even insulting the 8 and I never said anything about it's powerband good or bad, I just made a general statement. A statement that I and most of the people on this forum probably agree with. If anyone is trolling in this thread it's Stew and Stealthfox. I have no problem with the RX-8's powerband it's plenty sufficient. But I also don't see the big appeal of a high reving car, yes they're fun but I don't find it anymore fun than a car with a lower redline and lots of punch down low.
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Originally Posted by 124Spider
I don't know the WRX hardly at all (only having been in one once, and that was an STi), and I do know the RX-8, but it struck me reading Stew's post that the whole "usable power band," when applied only to RPMs, actually may be kind of looking at an incomplete statistic.
When I'm driving on the track or doing an autocross, what's important to me is not the "usable revs," but the usable speeds in each gear. That's especially true in autocross, since I have to decide when it makes sense to shift (especially when it makes sense to downshift to first). It would make no difference to me whether I had a 6000 rpm power band or a 2000 rpm power band, if the speeds covered were the same. For instance, the Corvette does not rev nearly as high as the RX-8, but it has so much torque that (especially in the lower gears), it pulls very well even at very, very low rpm. I would guess that a Corvette rarely (if ever) would have to downshift to first in an autocross, while an RX-8 would find that useful far more frequently (you better believe I don't like competing against the Corvettes in A Stock, even though I rev twice as high as they do).
So what's really important, I think, is the combination of your torque curve, gearing and full band of your revs. Change any one of these, and you get quite a different beast.
When I'm driving on the track or doing an autocross, what's important to me is not the "usable revs," but the usable speeds in each gear. That's especially true in autocross, since I have to decide when it makes sense to shift (especially when it makes sense to downshift to first). It would make no difference to me whether I had a 6000 rpm power band or a 2000 rpm power band, if the speeds covered were the same. For instance, the Corvette does not rev nearly as high as the RX-8, but it has so much torque that (especially in the lower gears), it pulls very well even at very, very low rpm. I would guess that a Corvette rarely (if ever) would have to downshift to first in an autocross, while an RX-8 would find that useful far more frequently (you better believe I don't like competing against the Corvettes in A Stock, even though I rev twice as high as they do).
So what's really important, I think, is the combination of your torque curve, gearing and full band of your revs. Change any one of these, and you get quite a different beast.
Stealthfox, your friend may know something about turbocharged cars but he's full of it when it comes to the WRX and STi. Though there was a problem with some '04 STis, especially modded ones, that were stuck using 91 octane gas.
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In 100+ posts of thread, I think I may be the only person who brought up another production car with a higher redline than the 8 (and it was built in the mid-1960s). Do I get a prize?
Anyway, I gotta add something else along the Ike vs Stew tangent. Be warned... the rest of this is offtopic:
Both Ike and Stew consider the RX8 powerband to be wide. Well, Ike called it "plenty sufficient", which I'm interpreting to mean plenty wide in this context... maybe he's just saying that because you don't have to worry about the RPMs falling below boost-levels like you would in a WRX.
IMHO, the RX8 does not have a wide powerband. It - like the S2000, ITR, Celica GTS, etc - has a narrow powerband. It makes slightly more power (proportionally) than those other cars at mid-range RPM because of their variable-timing "bumps", but compared to most larger-displacement engines, they all have narrow powerbands and require more shifting.
The 8 pulls hard at 4000 RPM in 1st gear just like many cars pull hard throughout much of 1st: that's the gear every car makes the most wheel torque in. 2nd gear is also short enough for 4000 RPM to be fun. But flogging your 8 at 4000 RPM in 6th (~80 MPH) barely does anything. Downshifting to 4th or 3rd and punching it does. Forget about accelerating at 2800 RPM in 6th (~55 MPH); you'll want to drop to 3rd (or 2nd... though you'd be upshifting soon after). This is in contrast to cars with more displacement that only need to downshift 1 or 2 gears.
If we say a powerband is the RPM range over which a car makes 75%+ of its peak power, that would correspond to ~6000+ RPM in the 8.
BTW, a couple years ago there were some threads here at rx8club that discussed the RX8's narrow powerband.
Anyway, I gotta add something else along the Ike vs Stew tangent. Be warned... the rest of this is offtopic:
Originally Posted by StewC625
I don't know about anyone else, but my car pulls VERY strong from 4000 RPM on up, and pulls decently from as low as 2800 RPM
Originally Posted by IkeWRX
I have no problem with the RX-8's powerband it's plenty sufficient.
IMHO, the RX8 does not have a wide powerband. It - like the S2000, ITR, Celica GTS, etc - has a narrow powerband. It makes slightly more power (proportionally) than those other cars at mid-range RPM because of their variable-timing "bumps", but compared to most larger-displacement engines, they all have narrow powerbands and require more shifting.
The 8 pulls hard at 4000 RPM in 1st gear just like many cars pull hard throughout much of 1st: that's the gear every car makes the most wheel torque in. 2nd gear is also short enough for 4000 RPM to be fun. But flogging your 8 at 4000 RPM in 6th (~80 MPH) barely does anything. Downshifting to 4th or 3rd and punching it does. Forget about accelerating at 2800 RPM in 6th (~55 MPH); you'll want to drop to 3rd (or 2nd... though you'd be upshifting soon after). This is in contrast to cars with more displacement that only need to downshift 1 or 2 gears.
If we say a powerband is the RPM range over which a car makes 75%+ of its peak power, that would correspond to ~6000+ RPM in the 8.
BTW, a couple years ago there were some threads here at rx8club that discussed the RX8's narrow powerband.
05-01-2005, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Deslock
In 100+ posts of thread, I think I may be the only person who brought up another production car with a higher redline than the 8 (and it was built in the mid-1960s). Do I get a prize?
Anyway, I gotta add something else along the Ike vs Stew tangent. Be warned... the rest of this is offtopic:
Both Ike and Stew consider the RX8 powerband to be wide. Well, Ike called it "plenty sufficient", which I'm interpreting to mean plenty wide in this context... maybe he's just saying that because you don't have to worry about the RPMs falling below boost-levels like you would in a WRX.
IMHO, the RX8 does not have a wide powerband. It - like the S2000, ITR, Celica GTS, etc - has a narrow powerband. It makes slightly more power (proportionally) than those other cars at mid-range RPM because of their variable-timing "bumps", but compared to most larger-displacement engines, they all have narrow powerbands and require more shifting.
The 8 pulls hard at 4000 RPM in 1st gear just like many cars pull hard throughout much of 1st: that's the gear every car makes the most wheel torque in. 2nd gear is also short enough for 4000 RPM to be fun. But flogging your 8 at 4000 RPM in 6th (~80 MPH) barely does anything. Downshifting to 4th or 3rd and punching it does. Forget about accelerating at 2800 RPM in 6th (~55 MPH); you'll want to drop to 3rd (or 2nd... though you'd be upshifting soon after). This is in contrast to cars with more displacement that only need to downshift 1 or 2 gears.
If we say a powerband is the RPM range over which a car makes 75%+ of its peak power, that would correspond to ~6000+ RPM in the 8.
BTW, a couple years ago there were some threads here at rx8club that discussed the RX8's narrow powerband.
Anyway, I gotta add something else along the Ike vs Stew tangent. Be warned... the rest of this is offtopic:
Both Ike and Stew consider the RX8 powerband to be wide. Well, Ike called it "plenty sufficient", which I'm interpreting to mean plenty wide in this context... maybe he's just saying that because you don't have to worry about the RPMs falling below boost-levels like you would in a WRX.
IMHO, the RX8 does not have a wide powerband. It - like the S2000, ITR, Celica GTS, etc - has a narrow powerband. It makes slightly more power (proportionally) than those other cars at mid-range RPM because of their variable-timing "bumps", but compared to most larger-displacement engines, they all have narrow powerbands and require more shifting.
The 8 pulls hard at 4000 RPM in 1st gear just like many cars pull hard throughout much of 1st: that's the gear every car makes the most wheel torque in. 2nd gear is also short enough for 4000 RPM to be fun. But flogging your 8 at 4000 RPM in 6th (~80 MPH) barely does anything. Downshifting to 4th or 3rd and punching it does. Forget about accelerating at 2800 RPM in 6th (~55 MPH); you'll want to drop to 3rd (or 2nd... though you'd be upshifting soon after). This is in contrast to cars with more displacement that only need to downshift 1 or 2 gears.
If we say a powerband is the RPM range over which a car makes 75%+ of its peak power, that would correspond to ~6000+ RPM in the 8.
BTW, a couple years ago there were some threads here at rx8club that discussed the RX8's narrow powerband.
05-01-2005, 06:13 AM
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Originally Posted by StewC625
Ike, I just get pissed off when you, under the guise of "I only speak in reality terms" make sure to rain on the enjoyment of every RX-8 owner in here whenever we speak in terms of enjoyment over the performance of our cars, and then the moment we say the we don't happen to like the WRX (and I don't, in case you haven't figured out), then you start whining that we're bashing. Can't have it both ways. Don't **** on someone's ride and you won't get yours pissed on either.
Originally Posted by termigni
Me and Ike(who has thousands of posts) are obiously interested in this car a lot.
Most of us aren’t kidding ourselves about the RX-8, we know its strengths and weaknesses. Nothing is perfect, we all have flaws. For example, let’s take a very pretty little girl who knows her nose is a little big. Her friends start talking about how pretty her face is, but then someone with the initial "I" comes along and says but her nose is way too big! Some might say her nose being big is a fact. But would it be necessary to tell the girl over and over that she’s got a big nose? Or twist and exaggerate things to make her nose seem even bigger than it really is? And not just mention the nose a few times here and there, but dedicate every waking hour so you’ve got well over 3000 posts about it?
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You know, I come from owning a WRX (traded it for the 8) and I've spent many long hours perusing the various WRX forums (I'm a mod on one, for that matter) and there are absolutely no RX-8 owners on those forums riding everyone's collective *** and trying to pass their snide remarks off as everyone else's over-reaction.
The only people doing that on WRX forums are the occassional Mustang owner. Does anyone here really want to be like a Mustang owner? (Ike)
(Thatr was a joke, by the way, I've known many cool Mustang owner's and met several knowledgable and interesting Mustang owner's on the internet.... just to stop the fire storm before it begins)
Just for the record, having owned a WRX for 2 yrs and the RX-8 for the past three months, I can say, in fact, that the RX-8's powerband is endlessly more useable and entertaining in everyday driving as well as on the track. (not that anyone was saying otherwise )
And to answer the original question, I could not find a single car with a higher redline that is readily available in the US.
The only people doing that on WRX forums are the occassional Mustang owner. Does anyone here really want to be like a Mustang owner? (Ike)
(Thatr was a joke, by the way, I've known many cool Mustang owner's and met several knowledgable and interesting Mustang owner's on the internet.... just to stop the fire storm before it begins)
Just for the record, having owned a WRX for 2 yrs and the RX-8 for the past three months, I can say, in fact, that the RX-8's powerband is endlessly more useable and entertaining in everyday driving as well as on the track. (not that anyone was saying otherwise
)And to answer the original question, I could not find a single car with a higher redline that is readily available in the US.
05-01-2005, 06:22 AM
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Great, now show me how the thing that I said that made people get their panties in a bunch is a snide remark. Also show me where I'm "riding everyone's collective ***". Also people did say otherwise about the RX-8s powerband being wider than the WRX, but you should also note that it wasn't me.
05-01-2005, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by termigni
Me and Ike(who has thousands of posts) are obiously interested in this car a lot. Also we have as much right as you owners to post in this forum. there are pros and cons in every cars and things we mentioned are true cons about rx8. you keep correcting what you said throughout this thread (vs. Ike) and that's pretty obious that you just want to hide from the truth. we are not bashing it, grow up and listen to what other people are saying man.
Here's the truth I care about - the car rocks. Rocks MY car world. That's it. So, what am I hiding from? Yet, everytime someone in this forum talks about how damn much fun the car is and how much we're amazed at how strong it pulls, one of you non-owner types chimes in "Oh no it doesn't, look at the numbers ..." or "well, your butt dyno's calibration must be off, because it doesn't (name the positive trait of the RX-8 that the owner enjoys)"
Notice that in NONE, but NONE of my posts do I ever resort to comparing the RX-8's numbers to other cars - that's the job of the magazines with test equipment, scoring regiments, etc., at least as far as OBJECTIVE numbers are concerned. But subjectively, hell yeah, I compare it, and the reason I do is because IN MY OPINION, there is no sexier, no faster, no more fun to drive car out there for the price tag for which I paid -- paid is a relative word, as I lease, but I use the term for the cap cost on my car -- $26,480 for. I defy ANYONE to find a car out there for $26,480 out the door that performs as well and looks as good and attracts as much attention as the RX-8.
Yet, some of you non-owner types under the guys of wanting to expose us POOR MISGUIDED RX-8 owners to the truth, feel compelled to want to rain on our parade. Perhaps it's because you just plain don't like your car as much?
Seriously - guys like you, Ike, and the other NON-RX-8 owners are like people in a restaurant who get mad at people at other tables who are laughing and smiling and having a good time. Or like people in a neighborhood, who complain about the neighbor who is always in a good mood, and always has friends over to their house, because you sit with an empty driveway and closed window shades all day and all night.
The POINT:
You guys, under the guise of showing us RX-8 owners "the truth", feel compelled to say to us "oh no it doesn't, and here's why" every time we say something enjoyable and positive about our cars that is subjective, not objective. This is a fan forum about the car. Expect the subjective around here!
I say my car has a wide powerband, and compared to a lot of other cars, including the WRX, it does.IN MY OPINION. I find it very useful. I say my car pulls insanely from 4000 RPM up to the redline, because in my enjoyment of it, it does. Yet you numbers geeks say "Oh, but hey, it can't pull insanely from 4000 on up because the peak powerband point isn't reached until X-rpm" ... spoken like someone who isn't an owner and doesn't drive one several times every day.
05-01-2005, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by automaton
You know, I come from owning a WRX (traded it for the 8) and I've spent many long hours perusing the various WRX forums (I'm a mod on one, for that matter) and there are absolutely no RX-8 owners on those forums riding everyone's collective *** and trying to pass their snide remarks off as everyone else's over-reaction.
The only people doing that on WRX forums are the occassional Mustang owner. Does anyone here really want to be like a Mustang owner? (Ike)
(Thatr was a joke, by the way, I've known many cool Mustang owner's and met several knowledgable and interesting Mustang owner's on the internet.... just to stop the fire storm before it begins)
Just for the record, having owned a WRX for 2 yrs and the RX-8 for the past three months, I can say, in fact, that the RX-8's powerband is endlessly more useable and entertaining in everyday driving as well as on the track. (not that anyone was saying otherwise )
And to answer the original question, I could not find a single car with a higher redline that is readily available in the US.
The only people doing that on WRX forums are the occassional Mustang owner. Does anyone here really want to be like a Mustang owner? (Ike)
(Thatr was a joke, by the way, I've known many cool Mustang owner's and met several knowledgable and interesting Mustang owner's on the internet.... just to stop the fire storm before it begins)
Just for the record, having owned a WRX for 2 yrs and the RX-8 for the past three months, I can say, in fact, that the RX-8's powerband is endlessly more useable and entertaining in everyday driving as well as on the track. (not that anyone was saying otherwise
)And to answer the original question, I could not find a single car with a higher redline that is readily available in the US.
05-01-2005, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by IkeWRX
I agree, and by plenty sufficient I meant fine, nothing more nothing less :p Though I will say the powerband on the 04+ S2K is pretty damn good and better than any of the recent high reving Japanese cars you mentioned.