Gas $3.98/gallon. Death to the rotary?
03-01-2012, 12:41 PM
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I also came across this yesterday: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automotive_industry
Specifically the chart showing the size of each manufacturer. BMW is BARELY beating out Mazda in terms of sales. Is BMW really that small? Or is Mazda's size just constantly understated? Certainly the exchange rate is hurting Mazda more than BMW.
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03-01-2012, 12:57 PM
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Mazda - $1.29 billion corporate loss for the most recent fiscal YEAR, 2011.
BMW Group - net profit totalled roughly 1.1 billion euros ($1.46652 billion) for the 3rd QUARTER of 2011.
IOW BMW makes more in one quarter than Mazda's loss in one year.
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03-01-2012, 05:22 PM
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since this thread is all over the place here is what I got from Mazda on Facebook.. disregard the dude who posted under me, he is a moron.
Robert Swiercz-Alright Mazda.. I need some Rotary News please!!!!!!
Like · · 5 hours ago
Dominic Roussel-Malo The rotary engine isn't being made anymore, and most likely will never reappear on the market.
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Mazda Canada Hi Robert & Dominic -- rotary is part of our DNA, so even though we do not have a rotary vehicle in our current line-up, we ARE working on the the next generation of rotary!
2 hours ago · Like
Dominic Roussel-Malo Ill take you guys word for it then! Looking forward to the SkyActiv Diesel...
2 hours ago · Like · 1
Robert Swiercz Fantastic cause my current rx8 needs a friend..
2 hours ago · Like · 1
Robert Swiercz Is there any time frame.. cause I rather Mazda take their time and get it done right. Since Ford isn't on their back anymore to push it out to early.
2 hours ago · Like
Kevin Graham This just in......... The Rotary is actaully a Wankle Rotary Engine....LOL
about an hour ago · Like · 1
Mazda Canada Hi Kevin - yes, you are right of course -- thanks for the technical correction! :D
about an hour ago · Like
Mazda Canada Hi Robert - we are. Just like SkyActiv, we want to make sure that our next (Wankel) rotary is not just evolutionary, but revolutionary -- so you are right -- it will take a bit longer. But when it arrives, we promise it will be worth the wait! Thanks for being such a passionate Mazda fan -- we really appreciate it! :D
about an hour ago · Like
Robert Swiercz-Alright Mazda.. I need some Rotary News please!!!!!!
Like · · 5 hours ago
Dominic Roussel-Malo The rotary engine isn't being made anymore, and most likely will never reappear on the market.
5 hours ago · Like
Mazda Canada Hi Robert & Dominic -- rotary is part of our DNA, so even though we do not have a rotary vehicle in our current line-up, we ARE working on the the next generation of rotary!
2 hours ago · Like
Dominic Roussel-Malo Ill take you guys word for it then! Looking forward to the SkyActiv Diesel...
2 hours ago · Like · 1
Robert Swiercz Fantastic cause my current rx8 needs a friend..
2 hours ago · Like · 1
Robert Swiercz Is there any time frame.. cause I rather Mazda take their time and get it done right. Since Ford isn't on their back anymore to push it out to early.
2 hours ago · Like
Kevin Graham This just in......... The Rotary is actaully a Wankle Rotary Engine....LOL
about an hour ago · Like · 1
Mazda Canada Hi Kevin - yes, you are right of course -- thanks for the technical correction! :D
about an hour ago · Like
Mazda Canada Hi Robert - we are. Just like SkyActiv, we want to make sure that our next (Wankel) rotary is not just evolutionary, but revolutionary -- so you are right -- it will take a bit longer. But when it arrives, we promise it will be worth the wait! Thanks for being such a passionate Mazda fan -- we really appreciate it! :D
about an hour ago · Like
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03-01-2012, 05:49 PM
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03-01-2012, 05:57 PM
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Just be cautious and keep it in the context that it is. Someone in Mazda at a keyboard, probably in Marketing or Customer relations (two departments run on the principle of telling people what they want to hear) that is probably more likely to be a peon than a senior director (and thus more likely to not be told everything. Senior directors do not hang around on facebook in a corporation) and could easily have it wrong from ignorance or falsehood.
Oh I want it too. But until production or rotary development abandonment is announced officially, I don't hang my hat on anything good or bad.
Oh I want it too. But until production or rotary development abandonment is announced officially, I don't hang my hat on anything good or bad.
03-01-2012, 08:00 PM
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With gas going up to what's supposed to be $5 per gallon, I think it may be a while before we see another rotary from Mazda.
I drive about 70 miles roundtrip to work daily. This car is killing me with this terrible mileage. I love the 8 but I may have to trade her in if gas goes up past $4.50 gallon. I coulkd save hundreds of dollars per month if I bought an econobox. The next rotary would have to be putting out at least 10 more miles per gallon city for me to be interested.
I drive about 70 miles roundtrip to work daily. This car is killing me with this terrible mileage. I love the 8 but I may have to trade her in if gas goes up past $4.50 gallon. I coulkd save hundreds of dollars per month if I bought an econobox. The next rotary would have to be putting out at least 10 more miles per gallon city for me to be interested.
03-02-2012, 09:51 AM
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http://wardsauto.com/vehicles-amp-te...otary-new-life
A grain of salt must still season this, but just as the piston advanced, so will the rotary. Anyone that thinks that the current iteration is the best rotary the world has to offer just has blinders on.
Mitsuo Hitomi, general manager-powertrain development, says the auto maker soon will complete development of an all-new rotary engine that meets future fuel-economy and emissions standards.
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“We think we’ve found a way to improve the rotary’s fuel economy to be truly equal to that of conventional piston engines and, if so, we believe we can reintroduce the rotary to the market,” he tells WardsAuto in an interview.
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At a press briefing in December, Hirotaka Kanazawa, senior managing executive officer in charge of Mazda’s technical operations, openly discussed three Skyactiv engine series: the gasoline Skyactiv-G now on the market, diesel Skyactiv-D and rotary Skyactiv-R.
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“We think we’ve found a way to improve the rotary’s fuel economy to be truly equal to that of conventional piston engines and, if so, we believe we can reintroduce the rotary to the market,” he tells WardsAuto in an interview.
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At a press briefing in December, Hirotaka Kanazawa, senior managing executive officer in charge of Mazda’s technical operations, openly discussed three Skyactiv engine series: the gasoline Skyactiv-G now on the market, diesel Skyactiv-D and rotary Skyactiv-R.
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03-02-2012, 10:27 AM
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We think we’ve found a way to improve the rotary’s fuel economy to be truly equal to that of conventional piston engines and, if so, we believe we can reintroduce the rotary to the market,”
03-02-2012, 12:02 PM
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With gas going up to $5 a gallon, there is going to be a lot more than a Rotary in trouble. It is all part of the plan for a "cleaner greener" Earth says the Gov't. Trying to force alternative fuel exploration. Unfortunately, I think it's just going to **** a lot of people off instead.
03-02-2012, 12:19 PM
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With gas going up to $5 a gallon, there is going to be a lot more than a Rotary in trouble. It is all part of the plan for a "cleaner greener" Earth says the Gov't. Trying to force alternative fuel exploration. Unfortunately, I think it's just going to **** a lot of people off instead.
03-02-2012, 12:38 PM
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http://wardsauto.com/vehicles-amp-te...otary-new-life
A grain of salt must still season this, but just as the piston advanced, so will the rotary. Anyone that thinks that the current iteration is the best rotary the world has to offer just has blinders on.
A grain of salt must still season this, but just as the piston advanced, so will the rotary. Anyone that thinks that the current iteration is the best rotary the world has to offer just has blinders on.
03-02-2012, 01:44 PM
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If you think $5 gas has anything to do with the green economy, you need a lesson in market economics, specifically how oil prices are set. But you're welcome to believe in paranoid conspiracy theories, if it makes you feel better to "blame" than to understand the problem.
03-02-2012, 02:42 PM
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Some of these factors are under our control as a country, other not so much.
I like this graphic although it is incomplete...
So in an open market the price of the next barrel of oil sold is set by the previous barrel sold, so spot prices go up and down according to demand. But most large producers/users have a negotiated contract to sell/purchase at a fixed 'other' price at a future date (oil futures contracts > which affect the gas futures contract) and do not pay spot market price. That could be higher or lower than market price at delivery. Hedging (another cost) is used to buffer those market price flucuations on both sides of the contract equation. It's basically insurance againt the market price changes. Because no one is going to sell you spot oil/gas cheaper than they can sell to someone else if they have a choice. That's why oil is sold/shipped all over the world and oil futures contracts are made and fullfilled daily.
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Originally Posted by brilliantblackrx8
It is all part of the plan for a "cleaner greener" Earth says the Gov't. Trying to force alternative fuel exploration.
I'd venture it's simply market forces at work with an aim, (and yes sometimes incentives are involved - both for oil companies and 'green' energy companies), to try and stabilize energy prices within our the country. If there's any way to produce energy that is cost equivalent to oil, someone's going to try it. There no guarantee of success doing it, but certainly - if you don't try, you're stuck with the status quo. Alternatively, if anyone succeeds, supply of energy (maybe gasoline from algae, for example) I'd certainly want to try if I had any thought that I could succeed! So if there is anything our country can do to affect energy pricies, and that could give more control than chasing an ever more expensive suppy of crude, halaluya.
03-02-2012, 04:13 PM
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With gas going up to $5 a gallon, there is going to be a lot more than a Rotary in trouble. It is all part of the plan for a "cleaner greener" Earth says the Gov't. Trying to force alternative fuel exploration. Unfortunately, I think it's just going to **** a lot of people off instead.
03-02-2012, 05:23 PM
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Guys, I'm sorry, I got a little emotional. Guess I should have asked my wife, she's the Economics Major. Didn't mean to wax politics on here. I do agree with what Spin9k response was, and what is coming is inevitable. I just started running off at the mouth/key (I do that a lot). I guess we all need to brace for what's coming. I will still drive my rotary through it all, I might be big dumb jock, but I'm not a *****!
03-03-2012, 11:29 AM
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Without getting into a long drawn out explanation of economics. One way to decrease oil prices and subsequently everything else that uses oil in the production process is for the feds to increase interest rates.