Can you lock the car with your keys OUTSIDE of the car?
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Static is a problem, but it isn't the only problem. You also have:
- Ignition source (hot exhaust piping) low to the ground if there is a spill (do a search on here about the 8 overflowing when pumping. Quite a few people have that problem, not always with warning).Turning off the car allows this to immediately begin cooling, reducing the risk that if there is a spill that the heat will cause a cumbustion. And yes, our exhaust is hot enough. That's why we get backfires and shooting flames.
- Ignition source (electrical components) throughout the car can ignite fumes. A perfect car still has a very real potential for open electricity. Most of the car's electrical power is grounded to the chassis for return to the battery, which has the entire potential of arcing at any point. This stuff degrades over time, increasing the risk significantly as time passes. Even simple stuff like a fuse not completely seated in the fuse box could be causing a constant arc that could ignite fumes. I suspect that the single biggest source of arcing is from degrading spark plug wires, where the insulation material has worn away, been cut or chipped (go look where your wires are...that isn't exactly heavily shielded from debris), and they start arcing and grounding out on nearby metal. Turning off the car stops most of this, turning off the lights and removing the key removes all but faulty battery terminals and cables.
I'm not saying that all of this WILL happen to you, but it is a risk that isn't worth taking, and the risk is very very real.
Filling up a vehicle while it is moving is a stunt move anyway (you know, with a warning that says don't try this at home), but the fact that the vehicle is moving automatically removes almost all fume problems.
You can't use Diesel as a reason to do it with gasoline here. Diesel's flashpoint is so much higher than gasoline that the concerns here are nearly impossible to reach when you are talking about diesel fuels. Of course, if you are filling up diesel at a gas station where there is gasoline around, there is still gas fumes, puddles of gas, etc...
THAT's the reason. And for your sake and the sake of your 8, I hope you stop.
If your 8 isn't warm enough, drive around until it is, or get gas farther down the road. If you are running on fumes as it is, then just idle until it's warm at the gas station (not at the pump). You can't flood it if it shuts off due to running out of gas, and if you don't run out, then well, there isn't an issue.
- Ignition source (hot exhaust piping) low to the ground if there is a spill (do a search on here about the 8 overflowing when pumping. Quite a few people have that problem, not always with warning).Turning off the car allows this to immediately begin cooling, reducing the risk that if there is a spill that the heat will cause a cumbustion. And yes, our exhaust is hot enough. That's why we get backfires and shooting flames.
- Ignition source (electrical components) throughout the car can ignite fumes. A perfect car still has a very real potential for open electricity. Most of the car's electrical power is grounded to the chassis for return to the battery, which has the entire potential of arcing at any point. This stuff degrades over time, increasing the risk significantly as time passes. Even simple stuff like a fuse not completely seated in the fuse box could be causing a constant arc that could ignite fumes. I suspect that the single biggest source of arcing is from degrading spark plug wires, where the insulation material has worn away, been cut or chipped (go look where your wires are...that isn't exactly heavily shielded from debris), and they start arcing and grounding out on nearby metal. Turning off the car stops most of this, turning off the lights and removing the key removes all but faulty battery terminals and cables.
I'm not saying that all of this WILL happen to you, but it is a risk that isn't worth taking, and the risk is very very real.
Filling up a vehicle while it is moving is a stunt move anyway (you know, with a warning that says don't try this at home), but the fact that the vehicle is moving automatically removes almost all fume problems.
You can't use Diesel as a reason to do it with gasoline here. Diesel's flashpoint is so much higher than gasoline that the concerns here are nearly impossible to reach when you are talking about diesel fuels. Of course, if you are filling up diesel at a gas station where there is gasoline around, there is still gas fumes, puddles of gas, etc...
THAT's the reason. And for your sake and the sake of your 8, I hope you stop.
If your 8 isn't warm enough, drive around until it is, or get gas farther down the road. If you are running on fumes as it is, then just idle until it's warm at the gas station (not at the pump). You can't flood it if it shuts off due to running out of gas, and if you don't run out, then well, there isn't an issue.
Not to mention gassing up while it is running will cause a CEL.
Just because nothing ever happened while doing this does not make it unsafe. In the Navy we had idiots who bitched about not being able to smoke on the flight deck even though we watched video after video of horrible fires on the flight deck. Fuel spills happened all the time. Zippo lighters (A.K.A. flight deck lighters) don't jut go out when they are dropped by accident.
I hate to attack people but damn man, use your head.
Just because nothing ever happened while doing this does not make it unsafe. In the Navy we had idiots who bitched about not being able to smoke on the flight deck even though we watched video after video of horrible fires on the flight deck. Fuel spills happened all the time. Zippo lighters (A.K.A. flight deck lighters) don't jut go out when they are dropped by accident.
I hate to attack people but damn man, use your head.
and never smoke while filling up
but i HAVE seen people smoke a cigarette while the hand is on the pump. thats another story.
thanks for the answer using the spare key on the credit card. i tried everything else but that, thankss!!!
You will get a CEL eventually, why do you think you get an EVAP CEL when you have a bad gas cap. Your fuel system is a sealed system. Think about it.
Smoking doesn't mean ****, a running car can ignite fumes.
Wait, WTF, I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.
Smoking doesn't mean ****, a running car can ignite fumes.
Wait, WTF, I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.
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before i had no reason to not turn it off, static, as already addressed, i ground my self.
but now i do have a reason to turn it off, multiple actually. thank you once again for actually helping out with your answer RIWWP
have been doing this for almost a year. never had a cel.
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But yeah RIWWP is right in fact I've heard quite a few horror stories about this please be careful at the gas station it's serious business!
But yeah RIWWP is right in fact I've heard quite a few horror stories about this please be careful at the gas station it's serious business!
Last edited by Cf05; Jan 13, 2010 at 11:44 PM.
At some point, when someone who doesn't know better actually starts asking why, and doesn't seem to be making the jump across assumptions, spelling it out for them is normally appreciated and much more productive than
If they don't know any better and AREN'T actually asking why, then yes, I agree. A waste of time.
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