This thread was supposed to be about stock STI vs Turbo RX8 and by any measure you like other than maybe the first 50m from a standing start - a decently tuned turbo 8 putting out 260whp odd (IE Greddy) will be quicker .
Even an 8 with a 50 shot of nitous is quicker than a stock STI and they only put out 220-230 whp - ask CRH .
All you guys saying a modded STI will own are missing the point that this thread was about .
And we all know an STI can be made stupid quick with ease - but that point is not relevant to the topic at hand ........

 

Agreed with Brettus. The thread is about turbo 8 + STOCK STI. Sure, it's not fair to mod one and not the other, but for the purpose of the thread, we have to deal with it this way

On a side note, I'd love to ride in a turbo'd 8. It would be such a sublime ride.

 

The thing is that, in reality finding a stock STi who is willing to race on the street is very very remote. It's easier to trace where the bailout funds to AIG than to find a stock STi on the streets.

 

I think it's pretty simple. Aim for a power/weight ratio that will beat what you're after, get some sticky tires and have at it. And if you're at the track instead of the strip, the brakes in the RX-8 will allow you to catch many cars.

Not much power even really needed to catch a car like the GTO that's been mentioned in this thread. Their advantage in the straights all but disappears when it's time to brake.

 

good point . Here in NZ we get a lot of used STIs brought in from Japan and most of them are stock . I would say a very high percentage of them on the road here stay that way . Sure there are lots of boy racers who love them and spend their last penny to make them into rockets but many go to people you would never suspect would want one and they have no desire to do any mods whatsoever .

 

yeah like how a the rx8 can do the same time an m5 can on a track!

 

Not sure how it goes down-under, but if you spend anytime on north american car forums, you will inevitably see the "Need to trade-in/sell/lease return my car. But it's modded. How much can I ask for?" kinda thread. And the inevitable answer is almost always along the lines of "You get more money by parting out your mods and returning to stock".
I suspect that grey market JDM cars that NZ, Aussie and parts of Asia receive have the same approach from the original sellers.

 

Stop. Just stop the baseless, ignorant comments. GTO can't handle. GTO can't brake. GTO just does well in the straights. How about some proof? Well okay. Plays nicely into this "STi" thread.

GTO vs. STi
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnnTSPWGNCs

and cant wait to hear "oh that guy in the STi can't drive or else he would be leaving the GTO." That guy in the STi happens to be the 2005 T2 national champion Chuck Hemmingson. Look it up. The GTO is braking later than the STi and catching him entering the corners.

I've seen that video. If it's one I'm thinking of, it's a really bad example to quote. I know you're new. Just remember this... the M5 was taking it easy in the corners and the driver of the RX8 knew it.

 

[quote=I've seen that video. If it's one I'm thinking of, it's a really bad example to quote. I know you're new. Just remember this... the M5 was taking it easy in the corners and the driver of the RX8 knew it.[/quote]

ah i've seen that video to, but i'm referring to top gear. in the video you were referring to, the m5 was taking it easy yes.

and i can see why you are so defensive...you own one

i love gtos and svt mustangs btw, i appreciate all motoring stuffssssss

 

well, the sti comes with a turbo and 3.7 more liters of displacement.

 

wow this thread belongs in 2004..hahaha

First of all the typical turbo'd 8 will lose to a stock sti PERIOD unless the 8 owner went above and beyond to mod it. The sti doesnt have to try to hard to achieve a great 1/4 time. The 8 has to comepletly beat down its tranny to achieve a decent time. This goes back to saying that the 8 wasn't designed as a drag car (everyone knows that). I'm not defending the sti in any way but everyone needs to face reality. I never turbo'd my 8 cause it just wasn't worth the troubles and money to do it. I would rather start with a different platform and build around that if I was looking for a great 1/4 mile car (which I have already done tee hee).

2nd, MM's 8 is an entirely different beast so stop using his car as an example!

 

My comments are from first person owners that I know, or have met at the racetrack. I've seen stripped down race-prepped GTOs fry their brakes and the owner leave the track in disgust. I've also seen street GTOs have to pull into the pits early due to brake fade and shudder. I could care less about watching a youtube video - first hand accounts > youtube.

And I never wrote the GTO couldn't handle.

 

Thank you Dubb.

 

Well, yah, I'm defensive. How do you feel when people start talking about the rotary lasting only 10,000 miles before it needs to rebuilt, and burns a quart of oil a day. You know? Stereotyping and disinformation.

Anyways... the M5 beats the RX8 by five seconds in the top gear power lap... not sure what you're referring to. The E46 M3 had the same time. Doesn't matter, I guess.

 

Why? It's not like you or any RX-8 owner paid more than ~30K for their car. There's going to be issues and defficiencies. We didn't purchase 80K+ cars where everything from braking to acceleration to handling to appearance/amenities should be nailed down due to the high cost of entry.

We purchased entry level sports cars that do some things well, and others not so well. That's why we have the aftermarket.

 

mine lasted a whole 30k miles then it went caput....LOL

 

stupid thread but k, turbo 8s vary to much, some people do have the mm upgrade, there is the esmeriel 400whp videos running around to, fluid has a upgrade for the greddy and some one else who i cant remember.

I think its possible >_>

 

I'll stop with the GTO talk after this. Maybe I'll make a new thread in General Automotive called "Bash the GTO!" since I enjoy discussing it so much.

Okay, I couldn't care less about your anecdotal references that nobody else here can substantiate. Go watch the videos. That car is competing in SCCA T2. I'm no road racing expert, but I looked it up, and as far as brakes are concerned, the pads, lines, and brake fluid are all that's allowable. Seems like they're doing just fine. Wouldn't you agree?

I suppose it's possible the cars you saw were 2004's. The 2005 GTO brakes were upgraded with PBR calipers, larger diameter rotors, and vented rear rotors.

 

Well said, and very true, but "showroom stock" racing is kind of interesting.

 

Haha...believe it or not I actually don't hate the GTO at all. I've driven them every once in a while and have a pretty strong appreciation for them. A friend had an automatic for a few years and everytime it went it to drive I thought it was a neat trick how the car kind of bears down.

[/QUOTE]Okay, I couldn't care less about your anecdotal references that nobody else here can substantiate. Go watch the videos. That car is competing in SCCA T2. I'm no road racing expert, but I looked it up, and as far as brakes are concerned, the pads, lines, and brake fluid are all that's allowable. Seems like they're doing just fine. Wouldn't you agree?[/QUOTE]

Fair enough. That seems to be the gist of near any internet argument.

[/QUOTE]I suppose it's possible the cars you saw were 2004's. The 2005 GTO brakes were upgraded with PBR calipers, larger diameter rotors, and vented rear rotors.[/QUOTE]

The street car in particular I'm thinking of was an '04. The race prepped car had the LS2 engine and was getting ready for SCCA - that was about 2.5 years ago.



And that's enough threadjacking for me also.

 

One thing i notice about the guys saying this - they don't have a turbo in their 8 .
The other thing that a lot of peolpe don't realise is that early Greddy turbo 8s were pretty poor . Even recent dynos i've seen Greddys putting down less than 230hp due to either tuning or some other issue . A well tuned Greddy running around 7-8 psi will put down 250-260whp - there is no way a car weighing more running approx. 230whp can keep up with that .

The OP was actually talking about STOCK STI vs turbo 8 from A ROLL . This is something i have first hand experience with so i'm not just talking out my *** here .

 

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...32860314480345

here is a greddy rx8 that ran 13.1 >_>, i think there is a fare chance for the upgraded turbos ^_^

he was running a Interceptor X, kinda old but allways a good video

 

He has some videos on youtube too, but damn those are some wide tires, 275's....
Just realised it was 2005.

 

Adrian from Austin.

So, here's what we can learn. The video is proof of an RX8 turbo with his setup is capable of getting 107-108 mph traps. A stock STi traps about 102-103 mph. A 5-6 mph difference between them would be enough for the RX8 to walk the STi easily from a roll.

Case closed. End of thread.

 

Yeah, with the TD06 turbo and Int-X, not even counting any of the available turbo upgrades or newer EMS options like AccessPORT or Scanalyser. Thats also a 1/4 mile which is arguably the weakest showing of the car possible. *shrug* I don't think 8s get much credit though. The car will always have its detractors.