Are-Ex-Eight

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Manual unless you don't know how to drive one. Let's face it that's the majority of the reason why auto owners didn't get the manual.

WTBRotary!

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Have you ever watched your coolant temp? Running through the gears (3-4Max on the street, so thats 3-4 redlines) maybe moves coolant temp like 10 degrees MAX, if even that. Yes you are right in the sense that Rotary's run hot and their EGT's are considerably higher than that of a piston engine, but running through the gears once wont do much.

What?

If your getting "signifcant" wear between those rpms your engine isnt balanced very well. A properly balanced engine should be able to hit 9k without any wobble or additional wear to your housings.

Olddragger keeps his redline down because he is using a Supercharger, which is belt fed off of the Eccentric shaft thus putting more strain on the engine. The added stress can add some wear in the higher rpm ranges.

The 6port/6speed auto has different gear ratios than the manual which is why yall get better mpg on highway.


Do you even know what your talking about? Gasoline is what causes the carbon, gasoline IS Carbon. How can a good gasoline not cause carbon? Combustion is not efficient and we can never get a full burn with no carbons left over. Premix helps not only by helping lubricate the apex seal but also to coat the intake and exhaust ports to not allow carbon to stick to them.

Pico

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So ignorant

mljhn

Ok, so here I am. I have an '04 AT 4 speed and seriously (buy tomorrow kind of serious)looking at a '05 MT. I bought the '04 AT a year ago thinking the electronic shift would satisfy my desire for an MT but it just hasn't. I've even went through a rotory change a few months after purchase (thanks to Mazda for their terrific support), and still truely love the car. I just need a MT, I can't say why, it's just me wanting to feel a bit more one with the vehicle. If you like AT's then buy an AT as it's still a
fantastic car and will make you very happy with it's handling. IF you prefer an MT than don't expect the electronic shifter to satisfy your desire and go directly to the MT. One caveat is
that mine is a 4speed so the 6 speed may be better but I wouldn't even consider it at this
point because I just desire the MT. My 2 cents.

Are-Ex-Eight

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So true. Can't drive stick then learn. It's fun.

8 Maniac

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That comment kind of makes you look like an ******* lol...
https://www.rx8club.com/album.php?al...ictureid=18399

That said... I don't think it's unrealistic to say that the majority of people that buy automatics simply don't know how (and don't want to learn) or simply don't care. A lot of people perceive it as an inconvenience or have a bit of apprehension about learning. The RX-8 was my first car. I had been interested in them for quite a while and had done plenty of research but I was still a little hesitant about the manual transmission. I had concerns that I would get tired of it and that it would get in the way of my enjoyment of the car. Looking at it now, it's a rather simple task but it seemed quite intimidating before I knew how to drive one. It wouldn't surprise me if that concern is what drives some people away. I chose to take the "risk" of going with manual. Others will probably be deterred.

When it comes to preferences... it's personal opinion. If someone has never driven a manual car and is able, I would highly recommend they find a way to learn before dedicating themselves to an automatic. If someone has experience with manual transmissions and they still see it as an inconvenience, then they should go with the option that will leave them most satisfied with the car. I have no problems arguing which is better with someone that has no experience driving the manual. I've driven both, so I have more first-hand experience. If you have no experience driving a manual, how can you argue with me which is a better experience? If someone has legitimately tried both and happened to enjoy the automatic, then that's their choice and it was made with experience in mind.

viilee206

Then they shouldnt get a sports car :3

8 Maniac

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Well, someone could want it for the looks or as a show car. In that regard, the slight change might not be worth it for them. It's also not crazy to enjoy the same handling abilities that the 8 offers normally, even with the slightly reduced power/acceleration. The automatic RX-8 is by no means a boring car. If someone wants the "convenience" of an auto with the feel and handling of a car like the RX-8, then it's still a reasonable purchase.

Like I said... I don't want to hear someone complain about the inconvenience of a manual transmission unless they have reasonable experience with actually driving one. If someone has dealt with both and chooses one over the other, then I don't really care which they prefer. It's their preference and they made it with the proper amount of information to fully appreciate both options.

Are-Ex-Eight

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Call me an ******* all you want. I said the majority. Read it more clearly. I am not here to offend anyone, just simply give my 2 cents to a useless thread.

Pico

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This debate has been beaten to death over the years. Its actually quite laughable at this point.

This thread is just another reason why this forum has gone to ****.

As the 8 becomes more affordable the drivers become younger. IMO younger drivers usually means there's still a sense of superficial empowerment and a lack of maturity.

Many members that I know have stopped posting because of the ridiculous threads, posts, and ideas that have popped up in the recent past.

AT or MT......... Who cares.
If your not FI they're slow PEROID

Pico

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Well Stated brother..

Blah Blah...

Are-Ex-Eight

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And if you are FI they are not reliable period.

It's not about the difference in speed although I can tell you the manual pulls faster. I've owned both.

It's pretty ignorant of you to say that people who can now afford the car cannot contribute to this thread.

I'm young and I make a lot of money. Does this mean I can or can't contribute?

Are-Ex-Eight

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No sooner do I post that then read the next thread.

https://www.rx8club.com/rx-8-discussion-3/rx8-help-225363/

Now I have to agree with Pico lol.

Don't worry though Pico there are still some enthusiasts out here who want to share and learn via this forum.

REDRX3RX8

The heat load can be seen on a Scan Gauge with 604 deg C at idle and 950 C hauling ***.

The premix could be anything slick even in the kitchen, but then, it becomes about residues so you just buy what has been tested ( 2TC - D) for port buildup if you care.

So the premix accomplishes it's mission of lubing, while at the same time burning up as much as possible, and being expelled.

I bought my 07 RX8 as my dream car to give me something to do after retiring early with CMT MD, and I got with auto in case my wife wanted to drive, but I retired from delivering fuel in manual trans trucks so I'm up on any shifting you want.

I even track my 8, and I notice on videos that a manual will go several mph faster on some legs of the track, but the only thing I would trade on my 6spd auto is the sunroof.

ShinkaEvo

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I need more pop-corn.
I like the MT fuanboiz.

PeteInLongBeach

I've had countless cars with manual transmissions. The reason I chose the A/T in the RX-8 was because I do a lot of long distance commuting, and I wanted the benefits of the higher gearing on the highway. There also seems to be some anecdotal evidence that the A/T has fewer issues than the M/T ( worn synchros, worn clutches, broken clutch brackets ).

PeteInLongBeach

I didn't buy it with "sports car" in mind. I buy cars based on their unique design merits. I bought the RX-8 because I always wanted a Wankel powered car, and the car fit me like a glove in most other ways. The other clever aspects of the design were additional side benefits. I didn't go out looking for a "sports car".

Are-Ex-Eight

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Wait so you bought a car based on the higher gearing to gain a 1-3% fuel efficiency over a manual but paid $1,500 up front for the automatic transmission. The above logic seems flawed. Just saying...

May I ask what oil you are using because that can change fuel efficiency 1-3% too.

Pico

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FI with a good tune and some common sense can be reliable.

A Cobb with MM tune and a couple other small mods on a 6port AT can and does put out the same rwhp a stock MT. You can believe that

I'M IGNORANT?? Re-read my post pal. never said anything about new members not contributing.

Good for you and making money--- awesome here's a cookie.

Are you related to Monchie? Maybe long lost brothers?

Definitely could tell your age without you saying you were a youngin ---- Just saying

8 Maniac

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I was mostly commenting on the fact that you made that comment in reply to him specifically. I'm sure it wasn't intentional, so that's why I just said "makes you look like" instead of saying you are an ******* lol.

Can we say that for sure? First off, it's not like the NA 8's have a great reputation for reliability, especially the earlier models. Generally speaking, FI will be more stressful on components so the reliability of most cars could be considered lower with FI. I haven't seen a whole lot of information on FI 8's with failed engines and it gets difficult to determine what the cause of failure was. I wouldn't expect a well thought out turbo install with a proper tune to be much more unreliable than the engine it's being installed on. Assuming for a healthy engine, it shouldn't be terrible.

Where did you get 1-3%? If the RX-8 consistently got 25 mpg and someone managed to get 1 mpg more, that would be a 4% increase. A (generous) average for RX-8's could be around 20 mpg highway mileage. 1 mpg would be a 5% increase... 2 would be 10%.

You make a valid point, assuming someone pays msrp. From what I've seen, used MT tend to sell for more than the AT. I've even seen new AT's being sold for less than the MT. If someone got it for the same price, then it could definitely be considered a reasonable advantage for someone who commutes enough in a year.

Your argument for the oil is somewhat valid, but not at the same time. Assuming all things are equal (same oil, etc.), then the AT would have the potential for higher mileage. Both cars could suffer or benefit from different oils. The transmission is an inherent trait of the car without going through a transmission swap, which is unlikely for most owners.

Btw... I'm not trying to single you out, I just happen to disagree with some of your arguments.

PeteInLongBeach

What is flawed here are your assumptions.

Fuel consumption was only 1 consideration, as I previously alluded to. As I mentioned, reliability/durability was another issue. The car is quieter and more relaxed at speed than the M/T due to lower engine RPMs. Also, all other things being equal, the overall wear on the engine "should" be less, due to 30% less RPMs. And then there are the ergonomic considerations, which would be the subject of a whole other topic.

You do NOT know what I paid for my car. Your fuel mileage % comparisons are not based on any real-world comparisons I've seen here, or my own experience.

I use 10W40 during warmer seasons, 5W30 during colder seasons.

PeteInLongBeach

This is my favorite comment of the day.....

REDRX3RX8

Information is near you if you open your mind.

For instance, google Widman graph, and then look up viscosity specs of oils you like.

As a comparison, I compared Mobil 5w20 to Mobil 0w40 that I run, and I discovered that my 0w40 is the same thickness @ 40 deg f as the 5w20 @ 30 deg f.

I never start my 8 below 40 deg, so I've got a nice weight at operating without giving up that small 1-3 % gas mileage ( approx. .5 mpg) of a thicker oil like 15w40 +.

I'm pretty sure I didn't pay extra in 2007 for auto even though it costs more now. I would have cheaped out and bought a lesser car to not get the sunroof, but my dream RX8 was across the street calling to me, and it's better than any other relationship I've had.

Are-Ex-Eight

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My fuel consumption comparisons are based on my personal 110 mile commute both in an 07 auto for over a year and now an 09 manual for over 5,000 miles.

Are-Ex-Eight

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In case your wondering I am old enough to qualify for the over 25 insurance discount.