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09-02-2009, 02:14 PM
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09-02-2009, 02:33 PM
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I have this gut feeling Mazda are waiting to see the reliability of the RENESIS II, they have to have this engine right, they can not afford ANYMORE reliability issues or it will be bye bye.
I know I will be "shot" down by some here, but Mazda are loosing over $6K plus on each 8 that is reborn...they cannot sustain these losses....particularly in the world today.
I know I will be "shot" down by some here, but Mazda are loosing over $6K plus on each 8 that is reborn...they cannot sustain these losses....particularly in the world today.
I am hoping that Mazda takes a page from the community, looks at the modifications people here have done to achieve better reliability, and incorporates them into the 16X and its host vehicle.
The biggest change I would hope for would be an integrated, separate 2-stroke oil reservoir that is as easy to fill and check as the wiper fluid - with a low level monitor and idiot light.
Judging from the TSB's and recalls, we can expect to see a really strong starter and battery, better coils, the updated spark plugs, and many other incremental changes.
I'm sure the 16X will have three oil injectors like the refreshed '09 Renesis, as well as the new direct injection for fuel.
If they can deliver a 2-seat coupe with ~2500 lbs curb weight, significantly more torque, and ~275 wheel HP from the NA 16X, it'll be a winner. The key is for them to remember that it's a light, nimble vehicle, not a jack of all trades.
I'd be okay with them retaining the rear seats, too; they really make it a more accessible sports car for men with wives (it's the only reason I could buy one!). But in this case, the weight will be back up to the nearly 3000 pounds it is now, so more power would be needed to make up for that.
I'd sincerely hope for a Mazdaspeed 8 with a single turbo; I've seen many people with RX-7 FD's having good luck with their single turbo, and it certainly adds a lot of power and improves driveability. My completely unfounded guess is that it would be possible to have a reliable ~350 HP from something like this, which in a light car would make it a real screamer (and very able to stand up against the 4000 lb muscle cars with engines five times bigger on the drag strip).
I just hope that there's something to look forward to. I know my next vehicle is going to have to be a stationwagon or something as I'll have kids eventually and need to haul them around. But one day, I want to come back to rotors, and I hope they're still there for me
09-02-2009, 03:04 PM
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OH, Mazda do listen, you can bet on that one.
All the changes made to the 09 were from owners and their warranty claims (around the world) and then TSB are born.
Mazda are very pro-active with fixing issues, they always have been, this is what makes Japanese cars so good.
What pissed me off about the RENESIS 1 was the fact it did not have a Middle oil nozzle, when every other rotary made before has.?, Why did they leave it off.
The starter issue was another point, I have seen this all before 20 years ago, again, why did they try and skimp with a low AMP Battery and Inadequate Starter?..
Sometimes even Mazda just does not learn, or events of years ago are not recorded, and engineers move on and retire.
It has been the 'packaging' that has SOLD the RX-8 (the rear seats and doors), lets don't kid ourselves, I am still not sure a 2 door ONLY rotary would be a good move for the next rotary.
IMO they should build a 2 door and 4 door, as the same model and platform.
A 2 door only will Always limit your market.
All the changes made to the 09 were from owners and their warranty claims (around the world) and then TSB are born.
Mazda are very pro-active with fixing issues, they always have been, this is what makes Japanese cars so good.
What pissed me off about the RENESIS 1 was the fact it did not have a Middle oil nozzle, when every other rotary made before has.?, Why did they leave it off.
The starter issue was another point, I have seen this all before 20 years ago, again, why did they try and skimp with a low AMP Battery and Inadequate Starter?..
Sometimes even Mazda just does not learn, or events of years ago are not recorded, and engineers move on and retire.
It has been the 'packaging' that has SOLD the RX-8 (the rear seats and doors), lets don't kid ourselves, I am still not sure a 2 door ONLY rotary would be a good move for the next rotary.
IMO they should build a 2 door and 4 door, as the same model and platform.
A 2 door only will Always limit your market.
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09-02-2009, 03:28 PM
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Well I've only have owned my '09 RX8 since this past Saturday, so I can't comment on reliability.
But so far so good.
Anyhow, in my opinion I really like the fact that the rotary is Mazda's halo car. I truly believe the rotary and for that matter the MX5 are not going away to the automotive heaven. They both been around way to long for Mazda to give up on them.
Anyhow, I'm really hoping that the 16x does appear for the next revamp. Whether its a two door or four door-it will be one or the other. Two models will be too expensive to produce. I love the idea of a rx7 replacement. But having two, two seaters in the model line might be a bit much. A nice compromise is a two door with four seats. But if they have a 300hp two seater, I'll trade my rx8 in a heartbeat.
But so far so good.
Anyhow, in my opinion I really like the fact that the rotary is Mazda's halo car. I truly believe the rotary and for that matter the MX5 are not going away to the automotive heaven. They both been around way to long for Mazda to give up on them.
Anyhow, I'm really hoping that the 16x does appear for the next revamp. Whether its a two door or four door-it will be one or the other. Two models will be too expensive to produce. I love the idea of a rx7 replacement. But having two, two seaters in the model line might be a bit much. A nice compromise is a two door with four seats. But if they have a 300hp two seater, I'll trade my rx8 in a heartbeat.
09-02-2009, 04:36 PM
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OH, Mazda do listed, you can bet on that one.
What pissed me off about the RENESIS 1 was the fact it did not have a Middle oil nozzle, when every other rotary made before has.?, Why did they leave it off.
The starter issue was another point, I have seen this all before 20 years ago, again, why did they try and skimp with a low AMP Battery and Inadequate Starter?..
Sometimes even Mazda just does not learn, or events of years ago are not recorded, and engineers move on and retire.
What pissed me off about the RENESIS 1 was the fact it did not have a Middle oil nozzle, when every other rotary made before has.?, Why did they leave it off.
The starter issue was another point, I have seen this all before 20 years ago, again, why did they try and skimp with a low AMP Battery and Inadequate Starter?..
Sometimes even Mazda just does not learn, or events of years ago are not recorded, and engineers move on and retire.
The battery and starter are a no brainer, and I guarantee that's one they won't **** up again.
It has been the 'packaging' that has SOLD the RX-8 (the rear seats and doors), lets don't kid ourselves, I am still not sure a 2 door ONLY rotary would be a good move for the next rotary.
IMO they should build a 2 door and 4 door, as the same model and platform.
A 2 door only will Always limit your market.
IMO they should build a 2 door and 4 door, as the same model and platform.
A 2 door only will Always limit your market.
09-03-2009, 09:47 PM
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OH, Mazda do listen, you can bet on that one.
All the changes made to the 09 were from owners and their warranty claims (around the world) and then TSB are born.
Mazda are very pro-active with fixing issues, they always have been, this is what makes Japanese cars so good.
What pissed me off about the RENESIS 1 was the fact it did not have a Middle oil nozzle, when every other rotary made before has.?, Why did they leave it off.
The starter issue was another point, I have seen this all before 20 years ago, again, why did they try and skimp with a low AMP Battery and Inadequate Starter?..
Sometimes even Mazda just does not learn, or events of years ago are not recorded, and engineers move on and retire.
It has been the 'packaging' that has SOLD the RX-8 (the rear seats and doors), lets don't kid ourselves, I am still not sure a 2 door ONLY rotary would be a good move for the next rotary.
IMO they should build a 2 door and 4 door, as the same model and platform.
A 2 door only will Always limit your market.
All the changes made to the 09 were from owners and their warranty claims (around the world) and then TSB are born.
Mazda are very pro-active with fixing issues, they always have been, this is what makes Japanese cars so good.
What pissed me off about the RENESIS 1 was the fact it did not have a Middle oil nozzle, when every other rotary made before has.?, Why did they leave it off.
The starter issue was another point, I have seen this all before 20 years ago, again, why did they try and skimp with a low AMP Battery and Inadequate Starter?..
Sometimes even Mazda just does not learn, or events of years ago are not recorded, and engineers move on and retire.
It has been the 'packaging' that has SOLD the RX-8 (the rear seats and doors), lets don't kid ourselves, I am still not sure a 2 door ONLY rotary would be a good move for the next rotary.
IMO they should build a 2 door and 4 door, as the same model and platform.
A 2 door only will Always limit your market.
You're right, Ash. They should continue with the 2+2 concept, and besides,what they have now with the RX8 is not really a 2 door car anyways. Nor is it a 4 door. It's something in between---which satisfies both markets. They should continue with the same concept and maybe offer a sportier/track trim (ala R3) which does away with the backseats.
BTW, nice article on the Mazda Australia site!
09-03-2009, 10:06 PM
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You're right, Ash. They should continue with the 2+2 concept, and besides,what they have now with the RX8 is not really a 2 door car anyways. Nor is it a 4 door. It's something in between---which satisfies both markets. They should continue with the same concept and maybe offer a sportier/track trim (ala R3) which does away with the backseats.
BTW, nice article on the Mazda Australia site!
BTW, nice article on the Mazda Australia site!
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Hey, but if you want a real track car, then everything superfluous should be out, even the back seats 
Just look at the Nissan GT-R Spec V or the Lotus Elise and you'll see what I mean.
But I hear you, the 8 is wonderfully designed and I dare say no other pure sports car can give this level of accesibility and rear leg room while still maintaining it's true sports car pedigree.
Just look at the Nissan GT-R Spec V or the Lotus Elise and you'll see what I mean.But I hear you, the 8 is wonderfully designed and I dare say no other pure sports car can give this level of accesibility and rear leg room while still maintaining it's true sports car pedigree.
09-04-2009, 02:26 AM
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I notice 2010 MX-5, CX-7, CX-9, RX-8 Don't have the Mazda Badge.
So I guess when you add the extra cost and labor, MMC have probably saved themselves a million bucks a year????....
I notice 2010 MX-5, CX-7, CX-9, RX-8 Don't have the Mazda Badge.
So I guess when you add the extra cost and labor, MMC have probably saved themselves a million bucks a year????....
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No, you're dead on the money.
I am hoping that Mazda takes a page from the community, looks at the modifications people here have done to achieve better reliability, and incorporates them into the 16X and its host vehicle.
The biggest change I would hope for would be an integrated, separate 2-stroke oil reservoir that is as easy to fill and check as the wiper fluid - with a low level monitor and idiot light.
Judging from the TSB's and recalls, we can expect to see a really strong starter and battery, better coils, the updated spark plugs, and many other incremental changes.
I'm sure the 16X will have three oil injectors like the refreshed '09 Renesis, as well as the new direct injection for fuel.
If they can deliver a 2-seat coupe with ~2500 lbs curb weight, significantly more torque, and ~275 wheel HP from the NA 16X, it'll be a winner. The key is for them to remember that it's a light, nimble vehicle, not a jack of all trades.
I'd be okay with them retaining the rear seats, too; they really make it a more accessible sports car for men with wives (it's the only reason I could buy one!). But in this case, the weight will be back up to the nearly 3000 pounds it is now, so more power would be needed to make up for that.
I'd sincerely hope for a Mazdaspeed 8 with a single turbo; I've seen many people with RX-7 FD's having good luck with their single turbo, and it certainly adds a lot of power and improves driveability. My completely unfounded guess is that it would be possible to have a reliable ~350 HP from something like this, which in a light car would make it a real screamer (and very able to stand up against the 4000 lb muscle cars with engines five times bigger on the drag strip).
I just hope that there's something to look forward to. I know my next vehicle is going to have to be a stationwagon or something as I'll have kids eventually and need to haul them around. But one day, I want to come back to rotors, and I hope they're still there for me
I am hoping that Mazda takes a page from the community, looks at the modifications people here have done to achieve better reliability, and incorporates them into the 16X and its host vehicle.
The biggest change I would hope for would be an integrated, separate 2-stroke oil reservoir that is as easy to fill and check as the wiper fluid - with a low level monitor and idiot light.
Judging from the TSB's and recalls, we can expect to see a really strong starter and battery, better coils, the updated spark plugs, and many other incremental changes.
I'm sure the 16X will have three oil injectors like the refreshed '09 Renesis, as well as the new direct injection for fuel.
If they can deliver a 2-seat coupe with ~2500 lbs curb weight, significantly more torque, and ~275 wheel HP from the NA 16X, it'll be a winner. The key is for them to remember that it's a light, nimble vehicle, not a jack of all trades.
I'd be okay with them retaining the rear seats, too; they really make it a more accessible sports car for men with wives (it's the only reason I could buy one!). But in this case, the weight will be back up to the nearly 3000 pounds it is now, so more power would be needed to make up for that.
I'd sincerely hope for a Mazdaspeed 8 with a single turbo; I've seen many people with RX-7 FD's having good luck with their single turbo, and it certainly adds a lot of power and improves driveability. My completely unfounded guess is that it would be possible to have a reliable ~350 HP from something like this, which in a light car would make it a real screamer (and very able to stand up against the 4000 lb muscle cars with engines five times bigger on the drag strip).
I just hope that there's something to look forward to. I know my next vehicle is going to have to be a stationwagon or something as I'll have kids eventually and need to haul them around. But one day, I want to come back to rotors, and I hope they're still there for me
The new RX sports car will not weigh less than 3000 pounds. (I hope I am wrong, but let's face it, there's no way it will weigh anywhere close to 2500). It will be loaded with crap we don't want. And apparently, as brought up in another thread here, it will have less than 270 CRANK bhp.
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man put it that way and it sounds better but to me that seems a little cheap. I hope this isnt the thing they believe will bring more power ha ha
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The new RX sports car will not weigh less than 3000 pounds. (I hope I am wrong, but let's face it, there's no way it will weigh anywhere close to 2500). It will be loaded with crap we don't want. And apparently, as brought up in another thread here, it will have less than 270 CRANK bhp.
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Nah, the lack of the "mazda" badge has nothing to do with cost-saving. It simply reflects Mazda's confidence in their logo. If the logo is well-recognized enough, then it and all it stands for is enough---no need for the letters.
In fact, which other major car company include the company name on their cars? I can think of none except for the Koreans (who are new comers anyways).
In fact, which other major car company include the company name on their cars? I can think of none except for the Koreans (who are new comers anyways).
09-04-2009, 09:42 PM
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09-04-2009, 09:59 PM
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It is still over 500,000 "Mazda" badges that won't be used, so it will save the company money..
09-04-2009, 10:07 PM
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I'd be okay with them retaining the rear seats, too; they really make it a more accessible sports car for men with wives (it's the only reason I could buy one!). But in this case, the weight will be back up to the nearly 3000 pounds it is now, so more power would be needed to make up for that.
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they should keep the same design, just turbo the dam car!
\\or make it a NA three rotor.....
or make it goe BRAP BRAP BRAP BRAP BRAP
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